ARTICLE: Burnley to raid the Baggies?

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:32 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Evans left for 3.5m and he has a vast amount more experience and is a better player.

We wouldn’t have got Evans in a million years. He knows his value and a £3.5m release clause equates to over £100k/week in his hand. Well above our salary levels.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:34 am

How many threads and posts did we see last season complaining about Hendrick playing no 10 and being short of quality cover at centre back ?
Fecking hundreds - that’s how many !

Yet we look to strengthen both positions at transfer fees well within what we can afford for 2 players with a lot of experience at this level and the club gets criticised.

For what it’s worth if we did get Dawson and Jay I would definitely look to release Wells, Bardsley and Walters - which would save us at least £60k a week and maybe bring in a couple of million transfer fees. This would definitely strengthen the squad and players good enough to play in first eleven.

Cricketfield - you must know Evans had a release clause of £3.5m. He was never ever going to come to Burnley. £100k will be the least he is on plus an enormous signing on fee. City and Arsenal wanted him a few months ago.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:35 am

ablueclaret wrote:Dawson won’t come to warm a bench neither will Jay.

Maybe not. But if they don’t perform they will. Im pretty sure they’d be in agreement with Sean if that was the case.

claretfern · Post by **claretfern** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:35 am

They're both experienced players and will be looking to play. Maybe Sean will look to rotate his squad this coming season, with more games ( something he's never been keen to do before ) I would prefer we go for younger players like Joe Worrall, Joe Bryan, and Ademola Lookman ( we've been linked with them all ) but will be happy with whatever the Manager thinks is best for us.

DAVETHEVICAR · Post by **DAVETHEVICAR** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:37 am

Would be 2 Fantastic signings.
After a full pre season with Sean,Dawson would be the best Central Defender at the Club.
A full close season Sean got Tarkowski into a Top Premier Defender.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:37 am

A fair price for two 28 year old Premier League footballers

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:39 am

Dawson is not better than Lowton at RB but would be good cover there.

ABC posting the same nonsense after the ban. Youth youth well never do another big without youth. Barton and Ward have been two of our older and better players over the last few seasons.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:40 am

Forest quoted £20m for Worrall.
He’s never played outside of the championship. Forest have been bang average last few years and I did not see much evidence that he had an especially good season last year. How a player with his career can be valued at £20m feck only knows.

Selby Claret · Post by **Selby Claret** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:40 am

The maths (in my opinion):

Dawson + Rodriguez > Walters + Bardsley

It adds up to me

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:45 am

ablueclaret wrote:If I was Dawson and Jay I’d look what happened to the Stoke pair.

If they do they'll see a couple of players who left a team on its way down to the Championship to join a team on its way up to European qualification.

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:48 am

ablueclaret wrote:Dawson won’t come to warm a bench neither will Jay.

No player goes to a club and says I must play, doesn't work like that.
Im fairly sure if either player said that they would be shown the door, we are the club in the top division they currently play for a team in the championship.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:49 am

New article just gone on site at regarding last night's news - looks to be more than a little something in it.

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Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:59 am

We just finished 7th in the Premier League and are have tabled a bid of £25m for two good players for this level which will make us stronger. You only have to read the local rag down there and social media to find out what West Brom fans think of Jay and Dawson.

Seriously, what do some of you want!!?? Be realistic.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:13 am

Jakubs Tash wrote:Seriously, what do some of you want!!?? Be realistic.

To be honest I'm never sure what ablueclaret wants. I know what he'll get very soon though if he continues disrupting threads.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:23 am

Be an excellent start to business if we sign both.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:49 am

no idea about jay rod but we are defo moving things down the line with dawson.

he'd be a cracking signing, he's about as dyche as they come.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:00 am

quoonbeatz wrote:no idea about jay rod but we are defo moving things down the line with dawson.

he'd be a cracking signing, he's about as dyche as they come.

I agree Dawson yes but not sure about Jay Rod.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:01 pm

piston broke wrote:We wouldn’t have got Evans in a million years. He knows his value and a £3.5m release clause equates to over £100k/week in his hand. Well above our salary levels.

Even at 100k a week (will be less than that) over three years thats still less than 20m all in for an international captain and titke winning centre half that city and arsenal were chasing. He is far more experienced and has far more quality than dawson.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:03 pm

Selby Claret wrote:The maths (in my opinion):

Dawson + Rodriguez > Walters + Bardsley

It adds up to me

Plus 25m. Plus 100k a week.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:04 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Even at 100k a week (will be less than that) over three years thats still less than 20m all in for an international captain and titke winning centre half that city and arsenal were chasing. He is far more experienced and has far more quality than dawson.

I’ll agree that he is a better player than Dawson but still can’t agree on finances. If he is a £25m? defender and Leicester have paid the quoted £3.5m then a large chunk of the difference has gone to Evans.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:06 pm

joey13 wrote:Dealing with WBA , seriously !

They're pretty easy to deal with, pay the valuation and you can have the player. Last time we low balled and begged for Dawson for practically free instead of paying the small fee of £3.25 million to just get the deal done.

Wokingclaret · Post by **Wokingclaret** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:06 pm

Why would Evans be interested in signing for us

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:10 pm

Wouldn’t pay more than £30million for the two.

WBA have still make a massive profit at that.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:23 pm

I thought this Jay Rod deal was done 3 weeks ago though so why are we making a bid for a player we've already signed?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:19 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:Why would Evans be interested in signing for us

Erm. A progressive club. In europe. Based near where he spent his formative years. With a core British squad. And sean dyche. Apart from that no idea.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:26 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:Why would Evans be interested in signing for us

Well we finished above the club he eventually did sign for so why wouldn't he sign for us?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:15 pm

Burnley would be very strong with Dawson and Rodriguez. Still room for Bryan and at least one other.

Up the Clarets.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:11 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Even at 100k a week (will be less than that) over three years thats still less than 20m all in for an international captain and titke winning centre half that city and arsenal were chasing. He is far more experienced and has far more quality than dawson.

All well and good saying that bud, but if he came here on 30-40k a week higher than our highest paid players then how long before everyone wants a big pay rise?

Suddenly it's either a case of dissent in the ranks or spiralling wages both of which would be disaster for a club like us.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:16 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Even at 100k a week (will be less than that) over three years thats still less than 20m all in for an international captain and titke winning centre half that city and arsenal were chasing. He is far more experienced and has far more quality than dawson.

You're absolutely correct but there's little point raising valid points on here because the majority just dull debate to look all positive. Most people on here have zero opinion on anything football related, just a bunch of nodding ''i'll just agree to be part of the majority'' type.

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:20 pm

Goobs wrote:All well and good saying that bud, but if he came here on 30-40k a week higher than our highest paid players then how long before everyone wants a big pay rise?

Suddenly it's either a case of dissent in the ranks or spiralling wages both of which would be disaster for a club like us.

Absolutely correct. That's why Burnley have such a tough task to remain a competitive force as a prem club.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:50 pm

Does Evans have "far more" quality than Dawson ? Arguably Dawson has been a more important player for WBA than Evans has in the last few years.

But this aside the Evans transfer to Leicester has caught everybody by surprise. Only 6 months ago he was being heavily linked to Man City and Arsenal and he was very close to joining City on deadline day. I am sure Leicester will have matched any financial package City or Arsenal could have offered once they found out about the £3.5m release clause and it appears Evans has considered the fact that he would have been a squad player at City and will play every week at Leicester...but still get the very lucrative contract.

Jonny Evans is not bothered about playing in the Europa League - he has played in Europe more than most of the players in the Premier League. He was thinking about one massive last pay day and there is now way on earth that Burnley could afford him or that he would consider Burnley.

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:11 am

For me it is simply a case of will these two players add depth to our squad and get a shirt on match day as a starter or sub. I think it is a yes for both players and so I would be happy to see them signing for us. Who would have thought Barnes would come off the bench last season and keep his place? We need a strong squad with this Europe malarkey potentially putting extra games in the mix.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:15 am

Goobs wrote:All well and good saying that bud, but if he came here on 30-40k a week higher than our highest paid players then how long before everyone wants a big pay rise?

Suddenly it's either a case of dissent in the ranks or spiralling wages both of which would be disaster for a club like us.

Because if those players then kick off for increased money etc they arent the team players we thought they were.

If you can bring in a more experienced, established and sought after player who ultimately costs more money but may help take you to the next level why would you be against it as a player? If he helps push us on he he helps increase their bonuses and their reputation.

Doesnt always work out as we saw with WBA This season. But Evans is a much better player than Dawson. And both are going to cost roughly the same.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:59 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Because if those players then kick off for increased money etc they arent the team players we thought they were.

If you can bring in a more experienced, established and sought after player who ultimately costs more money but may help take you to the next level why would you be against it as a player? If he helps push us on he he helps increase their bonuses and their reputation.

Doesnt always work out as we saw with WBA This season. But Evans is a much better player than Dawson. And both are going to cost roughly the same.

Personally I don't feel he is that much better than what we already have to warrant being paid the massive amounts more that he would likely want than our current players are receiving and I'm sure they would see it the same way.

Although it could become painful, slow incremental building is the best way forward IMO and helps the club grow with the playing staff rather than letting that side develop to swiftly to become sustainable in the long term.

I can handle the long game and if we continue to take small steps forward for the next 20 years or more then I would be well happy with that as the club is already unrecognisable from that I started following in the late 80's and I don't ever want to see us go back to anything like that.

ClaretShaun · Post by **ClaretShaun** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:02 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Because if those players then kick off for increased money etc they arent the team players we thought they were.

If you can bring in a more experienced, established and sought after player who ultimately costs more money but may help take you to the next level why would you be against it as a player? If he helps push us on he he helps increase their bonuses and their reputation.

Doesnt always work out as we saw with WBA This season. But Evans is a much better player than Dawson. And both are going to cost roughly the same.

That’s simply not what our blueprint to success has been this last 5 years.

So many silly ideas on here.

Zom Zom · Post by **Zom Zom** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:31 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Because if those players then kick off for increased money etc they arent the team players we thought they were.

If you can bring in a more experienced, established and sought after player who ultimately costs more money but may help take you to the next level why would you be against it as a player? If he helps push us on he he helps increase their bonuses and their reputation.

Doesnt always work out as we saw with WBA This season. But Evans is a much better player than Dawson. And both are going to cost roughly the same.

There are so many players in the Prem that are better than we have. Didn't stop our amazing progress. If SD thinks Dawson is the answer to the defensive gap, then surely we need to trust his judgement?
Prices are irrelevant.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:39 pm

ClaretShaun wrote: So many silly ideas on here.

Absolutely spot on.

It's all about doing your research.

Some get sucked in, then their fingers get burnt.
Sometimes when you wake up to the reality of what's happening, it's sadly too late and the damage has been done.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:51 pm

Goobs wrote:Personally I don't feel he is that much better than what we already have to warrant being paid the massive amounts more that he would likely want than our current players are receiving and I'm sure they would see it the same way.

Although it could become painful, slow incremental building is the best way forward IMO and helps the club grow with the playing staff rather than letting that side develop to swiftly to become sustainable in the long term.

I can handle the long game and if we continue to take small steps forward for the next 20 years or more then I would be well happy with that as the club is already unrecognisable from that I started following in the late 80's and I don't ever want to see us go back to anything like that.

Fair points. I guess I am comparing Evans with Dawson rather than with our team. And agree - he isnt that much better than what we have. Certainly not in terms of value.

Personally would rather we looked elsewhere over either Evans or Dawson.

Claretpants · Post by **Claretpants** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:59 pm

Mate well connected at WBA told me board meeting took place yesterday and we have offered 22.5M and needs to be 25M before they will enter talks plus Randon set at 16.5M before any club will be entertained

Claretuk · Post by **Claretuk** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:07 pm

I think our European scout will have to start earning his crust soon! as this is the market that we should be buying from now with all the massive inflated UK prices on average players that we will have to pay when buying from here.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:09 pm

Claretpants wrote:Mate well connected at WBA told me board meeting took place yesterday and we have offered 22.5M and needs to be 25M before they will enter talks plus Randon set at 16.5M before any club will be entertained

Realism will kick in with West Brom if no one else shows interest in the players I should guess.

ClaretLoup · Post by **ClaretLoup** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:15 pm

We are in a new reality now. "Better than what we have got already" means signing Top Six players.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:20 pm

I am sure we will have 'Eyes on' during the World Cup to spot the talent that might push us forward in the next few seasons.

- mind you, we won't be the only ones.

I hope we still believe in that 'young and hungry' stuff that we used to talk about on the other board.

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:36 pm

Claretuk wrote:I think our European scout will have to start earning his crust soon! as this is the market that we should be buying from now with all the massive inflated UK prices on average players that we will have to pay when buying from here.

All well and good saying that, but the weakness of the pound against the euro makes that market more expensive.

Belial · Post by **Belial** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:38 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:I am sure we will have 'Eyes on' during the World Cup to spot the talent that might push us forward in the next few seasons.

Good job Ireland aren't in it then!

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:01 pm

ClaretLoup wrote:We are in a new reality now. "Better than what we have got already" means signing Top Six players.

No it doesn't Vardy, Mahrez, Siggurdsson the list goes on are all better than what we have got already, they just happen to play in teams that finished in a lower position than us.

claretcarrot93 · Post by **claretcarrot93** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:08 pm

Dawson fee has been agreed. Still negotiating on J-rod so I here

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:16 pm

claretcarrot93 wrote:Dawson fee has been agreed. Still negotiating on J-rod so I here

So you're there what?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:30 pm

I have absolutely no idea why I'm bothering asking this but source?

Basically, are you a serious or just a bloke doing this for shits and giggles?

jtv · Post by **jtv** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:49 pm

KRBFC wrote:They're pretty easy to deal with, pay the valuation and you can have the player. Last time we low balled and begged for Dawson for practically free instead of paying the small fee of £3.25 million to just get the deal done.

Fact or..........................................fiction as usual?