FA issue statement to say some Burnley fans behaviour unacceptable on Saturday

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:15 pm

Has anyone got a link to the FA's statement about Liverpool fans long standing abuse and taunting of Evra following his PROVEN complaint of racism against Suarez? Just so we can compare the two.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:15 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Its was nothing to do with our club, until some of our supporters decided to make it so it became something that our club will have to say something about.

Not the FAs fault, not Bongs fault, our fans fault

And on the day that we secured European qualification.

Super.

We haven’t secured European qualification yet

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:20 pm

Burnley Football Club have just released a statement (or should do)

"The FA can go **** themselves. There will be no further comment as we consider the matter closed. UTC. "

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:20 pm

We should really concentrate encouraging players that are actually on the pitch , on Saturday we sung songs about Rodriquez Arfield Marney & Defour, and Benders.

Ralphandwillie · Post by **Ralphandwillie** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:21 pm

Remember after the Burnley race riots.
at least one footballer was put off signing for. Bfs.
Let's let the matter die now.
Jay rod is big enough to stick up for himself.
He has already admitted hiss behaviour was unacceptable and is now keeping his head down

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:21 pm

I never recall Brighton fans booing Zaha when they play palace.....

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:24 pm

Should Andre Graybe calling anyone out on Twitter

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:26 pm

Notts makes an excellent point, but it doesn't change the fact that we are in the firing line at the moment.

Croydon Claret · Post by **Croydon Claret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:27 pm

Has Bong actually stated the words he thought he had heard?

Lordlucan · Post by **Lordlucan** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:28 pm

tim_noone wrote:Lord Lucan alive and well in Burnley!Brilliant do you sit in the Bob Lord Stand?

JHU - attendance became a little sporadic so the ticket holder next to me used to greet me with “bloody hell lads, mark the diary, here’s Lord Lucan”

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:28 pm

Why aren't Brighton crying and the FA investigating us over booing Glen Murray ? Seems both Brighton and the FA are the only ones displaying discriminatory behaviour here

Oshkoshclaret · Post by **Oshkoshclaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:28 pm

NottsClaret wrote:Has anyone got a link to the FA's statement about Liverpool fans long standing abuse and taunting of Evra following his PROVEN complaint of racism against Suarez? Just so we can compare the two.

Excellent point, mate.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:28 pm

Croydon Claret wrote:Has Bong actually stated the words he thought he had heard?

"you're black and you stink"

As if you can ever imagine anyone using that phrase.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:31 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: not Bongs fault

You know this for a fact?

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:35 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Its was nothing to do with our club, until some of our supporters decided to make it so it became something that our club will have to say something about.

Not the FAs fault, not Bongs fault, our fans fault

And on the day that we secured European qualification.

Super.

So you are saying that fans are not allowed to boo an opposition player. Booing is just booing regardless of who you are booing --some of our fans even boo our own players --which I find totally unacceptable.
This whole thing has been blown out of proportion by Chris Hughton, Brighton fans and now the FA have added fuel to the fire because Burnley fans booed an opposition player. Any implication to that action has been made by those mentioned above.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:36 pm

He's guilty of being booed BOT.

Only he and Jay know anything about the incident sadly.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:37 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:You know this for a fact?

The FA said it was "completely satisfied" 29-year-old Bong's complaint was "made in absolute good faith" and "there has been no suggestion that this was a malicious or fabricated complaint".

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:38 pm

Nope, what I'm saying is that some common sense wouldn't have gone amiss on Saturday.

jay isn't our player, and no one thinks he's a racist. The story had gone.

By booing its bought it back into the media spotlight.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:39 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:By booing its bought it back into the media spotlight.

Bong maintains the story and the allegation in the media spotlight

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:41 pm

I think everyone - us and Brighton fans - need to quit poring over the FA report to win points. It's all waffle, 30 pages of it. They don't know what Jay Rod said. They never will. We don't know Bong's motivation for his complaint, we'll never know that either.

All this stuff about 'ooh well look at the report, on page 17 it says...'. It's meaningless. They know as much as us.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:42 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Nope, what I'm saying is that some common sense wouldn't have gone amiss on Saturday.

jay isn't our player, and no one thinks he's a racist. The story had gone.

By booing its bought it back into the media spotlight.

There's a lot of people on NSC that strongly claim he is.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:42 pm

It hadn't been in the media spotlight for a fortnight.

Our fans have dragged it back up, and now our club is being dragged through the mud, yet again, because of the actions of the fans.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:43 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:He's guilty of being booed BOT.

Only he and Jay know anything about the incident sadly.

That's what I mean.

No matter what the FA say we can't be certain that Bong isn't at fault.

Even though I personally don't think he has cried racist maliciously.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:44 pm

Is Bong spending his entire time saying that he's right?

Nope

Look, You are all taking this thing personally rather than looking at it rationally.

What did you think was going to happen if we booed a black player for making a complaint of racism, who plays for a team with a black manager?

I mean, you'd have to live in a pretty big bubble not to know what was going to happen.

pureclaret · Post by **pureclaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:45 pm

I think JT claret is correct in his description of what happened.
I do not think anyone should be discriminated against for colour, race, religion, or any defamation of character or beliefs.
But I do believe the FA handled it badly with the not proven but that the player did not make a malicious or fabricated complaint.
And then if Botong had not then carried it on, I dont think it would have happened.
I feel that the town full of racists chant was proven by the FA..
I said before the match that they would boo him not because of his coulour but due to him making a complaint against JR that was not proven.
He is when all said and done a ''Boy done good'''' from our town, so it was always likely to be a problem.
I am more worried over the points deduction, behind closed doors games and the not fit to play in Europe that bound to come our way.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:45 pm

Even though I personally don't think he has cried racist maliciously.

Thats what makes it even more bizarre the reaction on here. No one on here thinks he did either. So why boo him?

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:46 pm

I may as well own up I booed the Ref, I know it was a moment of complete madness on my part, out of character as I know we don't get penalties but for some reason I lost it and booed him.....(twice!) once when it happened and then when he walked off at half time I was again overcome. I am truly sorry I will try not to let it ever happen again.....however I am going to Arsenal on Sunday...oh heck!

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:46 pm

pureclaret wrote: I am more worried over the points deduction, behind closed doors games and the not fit to play in Europe that bound to come our way.

i'd save yourself the worry as none of that will happen.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:48 pm

The FA's statement is not acceptable.

They do not have some kind of hold on our opinions and they cannot prevent us from voicing them outside the remit of what is already illegal or contrary to stadium or league rules.

If they want to make booing an offence they can do so. Until such point they can fuck off and have a think before they go around blurting out stupid, pointless statements.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:50 pm

I think it’s a mixed up world where the FA are issuing statements about players being booed for making unproven racism accusations when there’s blatant homophobia coming from the same stand.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:51 pm

Quickenthetempo wants to release a statement to say the FAs behaviour over the last 20 years has been far from satisfactory. Booooooooooooo

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:51 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Thats what makes it even more bizarre the reaction on here. No one on here thinks he did either. So why boo him?

Please give me a shout when it becomes the job of any groups of football fans to make sense.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:52 pm

Rowls wrote:The FA's statement is not acceptable.

They do not have some kind of hold on our opinions and they cannot prevent us from voicing them outside the remit of what is already illegal or contrary to stadium or league rules.

If they want to make booing an offence they can do so. Until such point they can fuck off and have a think before they go around blurting out stupid, pointless statements.

They are terrified of being perceived to ignore racism, so they have taken the easy option and lambasted a small northern club because it fits the stereotype and will make everyone else (outside of Burnley) happy. It's the reason they refused to completely clear JR during the investigation and it's the reason we are being targeted, its the safe option to take.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:53 pm

Chant for Sunday:

We boo who we want
We boo who we waaaaaant
Burnley FC
We boo who we want

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:53 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Thats what makes it even more bizarre the reaction on here. No one on here thinks he did either. So why boo him?

The bizarre thing here is that, whatever the reason behind it, the FA thinks it should be commenting on a player being booed.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:55 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Is Bong spending his entire time saying that he's right?

Nope

Look, You are all taking this thing personally rather than looking at it rationally.

What did you think was going to happen if we booed a black player for making a complaint of racism, who plays for a team with a black manager?

I mean, you'd have to live in a pretty big bubble not to know what was going to happen.

This is a lot of the problem with trying to be non-racist. The fans booing Bong treated him like they would any other player who had made strong and repeated, but unsubstantiated, allegations of a very serious offence against "one of our own". In that sense, they were being decidedly non-racist.

On the other hand, Bong has dark skin. In this sort of case, you must treat a black man differently, just because he is black, or else it will be seen as racist.

What is often forgotten is that there is always a victim in these sort of allegations. Party A accuses party B of racism - EITHER party A is the victim because it's true; OR party B is the victim because it's not true. In this case, no-one (except Rodriguez) knows whether it is true or not. Burnley fans, most likely because of our innate bias, have chosen to believe that party B is the victim (this does not make party A a bad guy, he might be mistaken); Brighton fans, again most likely because of innate bias, have chosen to believe that party A is the victim. Rodriguez has been accused of criminal behaviour on the completely uncorroborated statement of one man, which would never stand up in court. In legal terms, no case to answer. But is he considered to be a victim in this case? Not by the FA.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:55 pm

I'm not disagreeing with any of you about the right to boo, its a daft statement by the FA.

But like the statement about Liverpool fans being just as bad, its not going to make a blind bit of difference.

We are currently a target because of what our fans did on Saturday, even though we all agree that the booing was because of who JR is, not because of who Bong is.

Its annoying, but everybody will be concentrating on the fact that a black player was booed after making a racism complaint. I can't believe that most of you can't see that, even though its clearly grossly unfair.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:57 pm

Falcon wrote:Chant for Sunday:

We boo who we want
We boo who we waaaaaant
Burnley FC
We boo who we want

It's going to be near impossible to target the safe option of a white English player on Saturday.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:00 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Thats what makes it even more bizarre the reaction on here. No one on here thinks he did either. So why boo him?

Why boo any member of an opposing team...? Why boo ex Blackburn players...? Why boo other players such as Deli Alli who cheats...? Why boo at all...?

Perhaps we should all just refrain from singing and chanting songs too, I know, lets just all have a nice cup of tea and a biscuit and politely applause the game from our seated position and show no passion at all shall we...?

Thought not.

Bong made himself a target for the "boo boys" for reasons stated above, just as Murray was also a target for the "boo boys" - his reason was because he cheated in our previous match with them.

Before you ask why am I so bothered, I'll tell you. Have you ever been the subject of a malicious allegation? I have, and the sh!t sticks unfortunately. To this day there are people who still believe some wild allegations made about me in the past even though they were not proven - and for the record I know the allegations were false, but it still didn't stop the other person making them and tarnishing me and my reputation as a human being.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:02 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Thats what makes it even more bizarre the reaction on here. No one on here thinks he did either. So why boo him?

There was a Burnley fan who rang 5 Live to defend us and she did so really well. One point she made was that fans boo players to rattle them and try to give their team an edge. Doesn't always work but Bong was an obvious target because he's had a public spat with a Burnley cult hero. He'd have got just the same if he'd broken Jay's leg.

Only the allegation Bong made brought racism into this. As you say that was nothing to do with us, but we will always defend our own when we believe they have done nothing wrong. Bong means nothing to Burnley fans, Jay does.

If a handful of racists joined in the booing that's bad. But they'd be racist anyway and they infect every club in the country.

And I take your point about the global view of our homophobic chants. But I don't think they'll be viewed too seriously by many, remember we are still one of the most tolerant countries in the world (despite what post brexit hysteria may suggest) and that includes Burnley.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:06 pm

An unbelievable thread.
JR doesn’t play for us, and he hasn’t for some time.

He wanted to leave.
Why are we getting involved in his battles?

Cringe-worthy to the max when chanting his name on Saturday.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:11 pm

Fair doos Rick, but that is between jay and Bong.

I can't comment on that because only those two know so I've kept out of it, short of saying that I'm pretty sure JR isn't a racist and that Bong made the allegation in good faith.

I fully understand people wanting to defend Jay because he is a Burnley lad, and I fully get that this is all ******** really because of course we should be allowed to boo who we want.

But even though I absolutely 100% disagree with how people are going to spin this, that is how it is going to be spun. Thats kind of the point I'm trying to make (very badly it has to be said as I'm as annoyed at Chris Houghton and the FA as the rest of you).

And in defence of the FA (again, even though I don't agree with this) I can only think they feel like they have to defend a player to make sure it doesn't deter others from coming forward in future.

Selby Claret · Post by **Selby Claret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:17 pm

My two-penneth:

1) We shouldn't have booed Bong - not because of the ramifications of his being black - nor because of the nature of his complaint. But because he should be allowed his right to complaint - whether misheard or otherwise - and it was genuinely made. And because we should have known this would subesquently happen!

2) The FA are, for me, walking a dangerous line because, despite knowing by inference, full well the origins of the booing - there was nothing explicitly said by Burnley fans to Bong about his complaint. A 'boo' sound was made when Bong was in possession. And at one point a single verse of the Jay Rodriguez song was sung. At no point to my recollection did the Burnley fans chant anything to Bong about his complaint, his behaviour or his actions. Yes, we all 'know' the reasons why - but the FA are still making a leap to accuse Burnley fans - without accompanying evidence - of unacceptable behaviour. You may think I'm being awkward - and I'm certainly not defending anyone's actions. But specifically from the FA's point of view it looks difficult to me to prove the fans' actions beyond simply inferring their intentions.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:17 pm

Post from the Brighton forum.

've been on this board for many years but tend to just read posts but if anyone wishes to report racism or homophobia THEY experienced IF they were at the ground.

The person who contacted me from Kick It Out is Samantha@kickitout.org

Personally I've heard the songs many times but thought I had gone back in time years on Saturday. I don't want to hear it from anyone and there is no justification.
"We're Racist and we don't care" and "Town full of Q..." was what I heard. I was one of 2,000 Albion fans and they were already well on the case before I sent my little bit at lunchtime today.

So help them make a difference and give them evidence to investigate Burnley.

They are claiming we chanted "we're racist, we don't care"...

Lying ******* pieces of absolute ****

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:21 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Post from the Brighton forum.

They are claiming we chanted "we're racist, we don't care"...

Lying ******* pieces of absolute ****

Just shows how things can be misheard!

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:21 pm

martin_p wrote:Just shows how things can be misheard!

Misheard my arse, its a malicious lie.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:22 pm

Absolute nonsense from the FA.

A player was booed, big fat hairy deal, players get booed weekly at all grounds for any number of reasons.

Had the allegations against Jay been proven then this would have been a different matter, they weren't therefore it wasn't a major deal. There were no monkey chants or anything of that nature, it was simply booing of a player that made unfounded allegations against a former Claret.
Quite why Hughton and then the FA feel the need to get involved is ridiculous.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:30 pm

The booing of Bong was no worse than booing a player who in the past has played againgst us and been shown to be a cheat and a con artist like several we have had or an Ex Rovers player.
The FA have enough flack to deflect with the sale of Wembley already why do they insist on getting involved with this fools wining.?

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:33 pm

From move black you stink to were racist we don't care hahahahaha

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:41 pm

Will it be racist if we boo Martin Olson or Shane Duffy. Booing is not racist. Words can be racist. Only heard booing on tv.