Come on Newcastle!

[dsr]

Luck can change at any time & be favourable erratically, having positivity based on the law of averages with our luck changing is a fanciful stretch as a mild understatement, we might indeed be due some luck but whether we receive it is another thing. We need to be better at playing football & encourage our own good luck.

Obviously. I would agree. But if our form is only good enough on balance for perhaps 9 points, that doesn't necessarily mean we will get 9 points. I think we need a bit of luck and I hope we will get it.

Starting with everton being a man short through suspension when they come to Turf Moor!

[Jamesy]

Luck can change at any time & be favourable erratically, having positivity based on the law of averages with our luck changing is a fanciful stretch as a mild understatement, we might indeed be due some luck but whether we receive it is another thing. We need to be better at playing football & encourage our own good luck.

It is partly due to being better at playing football. I would suggest though on a similar theme, it is about putting gilt edged chances away. This is where we have failed in recent matches.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

It's the hope that kills you, but the stats don't back up the hope

3 wins this season, the lowest of any professional football team in England and Scotland

And 13 league wins in 65 doesn't support that hope

We're done unfortunately because there is nothing to suggest we will win games from here at a rate of 1 in 2, the warning signs were there last season with 3 terrible teams going down and us surviving

[FCBurnley]

You make your own luck in sport and in life

[KRBFC]

I gave up when we got battered at Leeds

Our record against the sides around us has been nothing short of a disgrace. Our worst performances of the season were arguably Everton, Leeds and Brentford away, what hope do we have when we can't even turn up in a ''cup final, huge 6 pointer''

[KRBFC]

Chris Wood should've scored an open net from the rebound, no idea why he was flagged offside, he was 3 yards onside.

[LoveCurryPies]

There are a few highly vocal supporters who constantly spread their negativity. The season isn’t over but tonight was a blow.

[Vegas Claret]

Our record against the sides around us has been nothing short of a disgrace. Our worst performances of the season were arguably Everton, Leeds and Brentford away, what hope do we have when we can't even turn up in a ''cup final, huge 6 pointer''

Like the thread the other week by someone, I'm at peace with it. All good things come to an end, time for a change of direction now imho with style of play and age of squad. Not fussed who is in charge at this point either. I was supportive of Dyche but the whole Westwood/Cork fiasco has left me bewildered with him and his choices

[KRBFC]

Like the thread the other week by someone, I'm at peace with it. All good things come to an end, time for a change of direction now imho with style of play and age of squad. Not fussed who is in charge at this point either. I was supportive of Dyche but the whole Westwood/Cork fiasco has left me bewildered with him and his choices

I'd be excited with a full rebuild, no idea where the money for it comes from though, maybe further loans? just go all out **** or bust

[Vegas Claret]

I'd be excited with a full rebuild, no idea where the money for it comes from though, maybe further loans? just go all out **** or bust

I don't know mate, not going to be a full rebuild whoever is in charge because of finances - so can Dyche get more out of someone like McNeil ? I'm not sure he can (not saying he can't, saying I'm not sure). The same as a player isn't as big as the club neither is the manager (as incredibly as he has done). Fortunately I don't have to make that decision, up to him and Pace to figure it out should we drop

[Jakubclaret]

It is partly due to being better at playing football. I would suggest though on a similar theme, it is about putting gilt edged chances away. This is where we have failed in recent matches.

True, a team like ours have to make the most & convert the odd chances we get & to do that selling your best striker isn’t the favourite forced or willingly, alots been said that CW isn’t setting the world alight in the northeast but we’ll never know had he stayed whether he would have got the odd goal that would have made all the difference, you’ve got SD post match Brentford bleating on about the need to score & the guy who historically made that happen isn’t here & elsewhere not that he’s doing much there or did this season here.

[Wokingclaret]

Simple, we are not good enough.

The league table does not lie

[Quicknick]

Just got out of bed in Thailand. Waiting for me was an email with this result.

[Culmclaret]

We were down before Christmas. We all know where the weakness lies and that has not been addressed. We needed CM improvement and we didn’t get it. Simple as that

[RVclaret]

We were down before Christmas. We all know where the weakness lies and that has not been addressed. We needed CM improvement and we didn’t get it. Simple as that

We really weren’t ‘down’ before Christmas at all. In fact, we are far from down now. It’s not looking great but there’s still points to play for, we are hardly cut adrift and we have some more favourable fixtures coming up.

But you are right, we did need more enforcements in January (well actually the previous summer) and particularly in midfield - given our reluctance to sign one in the past 3 windows I’d suggest that it is Dyche who didn’t see it as a priority, and felt happy enough to go with his well known bunch of Westy, Browny and Corky.

[Culmclaret]

What is a ‘favourable fixture’ when with the exception of Villa we have already played everyone once and won just three games, having failed to beat Norwich, Watford and Leeds at home?

[RVclaret]

What is a ‘favourable fixture’ when with the exception of Villa we have already played everyone once and won just three games, having failed to beat Norwich, Watford and Leeds at home?

Oh agree, we must see a huge upturn in form, including luck edging in our favour for a change and Dyche getting his selection right. But for example, Norwich and Watford away, you’d say we have more chance of winning those games than City / Liverpool etc, hence more favourable.

[BurnleyFC]

Our record against the sides around us has been nothing short of a disgrace. Our worst performances of the season were arguably Everton, Leeds and Brentford away, what hope do we have when we can't even turn up in a ''cup final, huge 6 pointer''

You can’t mention Brentford away as it was a good performance according to some on here.

I described it as disgusting and I stand by it. In a must win game (or at the very least must not lose) the management and players decided that was the best way to approach the game. Turgid hoofball devoid of any idea or attacking intent.

Pathetic.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

As I said earlier we have won 13 in 65 league games, why are we suddenly going to start winning at a rate of 1 in 2?

[Woodleyclaret]

We've got everything to play for and are not going down.
The stop start season does nothing to help ,so does the meaninglessness England friendlies that cause totally unacceptable disruption to the season.

[Rombald]

Our record against the sides around us has been nothing short of a disgrace. Our worst performances of the season were arguably Everton, Leeds and Brentford away, what hope do we have when we can't even turn up in a ''cup final, huge 6 pointer''

Performance at Brentford wasn't a disgrace. (Result was v poor. )

[JohnMcGreal]

Our record against the sides around us has been nothing short of a disgrace. Our worst performances of the season were arguably Everton, Leeds and Brentford away, what hope do we have when we can't even turn up in a ''cup final, huge 6 pointer''

Leeds, Norwich and Watford all at home. No wins, one goal scored.

We used to be pretty good at getting results in those big 'six pointers' against the teams around us, but not this season. Those kind of results have killed us really.

[Spijed]

Leeds, Norwich and Watford all at home. No wins, one goal scored.

We used to be pretty good at getting results in those big 'six pointers' against the teams around us, but not this season. Those kind of results have killed us really.

We were bloody awful last season as well.

Remember the 0-0 at home to ten men WBA?

What saved us was getting 20 points against just Everton, Arsenal, Palace and Wolves, for example.

[Newcastleclaret93]

We were bloody awful last season as well.

Remember the 0-0 at home to ten men WBA?

What saved us was getting 20 points against just Everton, Arsenal, Palace and Wolves, for example.

We were awful last season we are even worse now

[Spijed]

We were awful last season we are even worse now

Apologies. I meant we were awful against just the bottom sides.

Against many of the others we were absolutely Brilliant.

Liverpool, Arsenal, Wolves away etc.

[RVclaret]

Performance at Brentford wasn't a disgrace. (Result was v poor. )

Wouldn’t say the performance was a disgrace but it was many levels below the performances we saw against Brighton and Spurs recently.

[Hipper]

Our issues are:

1. We’ve failed over several windows to strengthen midfield. There’s a reason we don’t score - we don’t create enough quality chances or retain the ball well enough.

2. We used to play Westwood and Cork and were doing okay. We dropped Cork for Brownhill and have frankly gone downhill. I’m not saying we should go back to Westwood/Cork but we definitely haven’t got the balance right since that pairing was changed. 18 months or whatever we’ve persisted with this pairing and Dyche hasn’t sussed it isn’t delivering.

So, despite 1 - the lack of investment - there’s a good portion of accountability on Dyche and it’s frustrating that is neither changed nor acknowledged. Too late now but to Tony’s point, I agree we shouldn’t be competitive given our (lack of) spend but think we might’ve been more competitive with some different team selections.

We've gone downhill with Brownhill, with Westwood we're no good, and with Cork it's a cake walk.

[Rombald]

Wouldn’t say the performance was a disgrace but it was many levels below the performances we saw against Brighton and Spurs recently.

I was quoting the word disgrace. I don't disagree with you, but the descriptions used by a few on here are laughable.
If Jay's shot had gone in we would have looked at the game and performance completely differently.
Could do with a few more Brighton and Tottenham performances though as soon as possible

[Spijed]

We certainly need another run, similar to the one required after we played Liverpool six matches ago:

[Jakubclaret]

I couldn't care less who the opposition is if they help Burnley. Never have, never will.

Even more so if it facilitates your many wild off the mark predictions, like I say Everton will get the points from somewhere last night was a classic example with the scruffy 10 men bruising encounter.

[Lancasterclaret]

I wouldn't say we are down, but I reckon we need 15 points from our remaining games

Its a big ask

But we still have a chance, but I'm ready and fairly accepting of our fate

[Spijed]

Even more so if it facilitates your many wild off the mark predictions, like I say Everton will get the points from somewhere last night was a classic example with the scruffy 10 men bruising encounter.

But surely if the likes of Everton will never get relegated they would never be where they are in the first place, namely at the bottom end of the table.

Plenty of big clubs have been relegated over the years.

[Spijed]

I wouldn't say we are down, but I reckon we need 15 points from our remaining games

Its a big ask

But we still have a chance, but I'm ready and fairly accepting of our fate

36 was always the number of points we'd need to make certain.

[Jakubclaret]

But surely if the likes of Everton will never get relegated they would never be where they are in the first place, namely at the bottom end of the table.

Plenty of big clubs have been relegated over the years.

Some teams just have too much about them it’s that simple you look at the injuries DCL seems to be recovering or recovered amongst others, bamfords bounced backed at Leeds & you look at the depth & the teams in & around them & the only logical conclusion unfortunately is 1 word - nah.

[Spijed]

Some teams just have too much about them it’s that simple you look at the injuries DCL seems to be recovering or recovered amongst others, bamfords bounced backed at Leeds & you look at the depth & the teams in & around them & the only logical conclusion unfortunately is 1 word - nah.

Villa Spent over £150 million and should have dropped had it not been for a dodgy goal technology two seasons ago. That was with Jack Grealish in the side as well.

[Jakubclaret]

Villa Spent over £150 million and should have dropped had it not been for a dodgy goal technology two seasons ago. That was with Jack Grealish in the side as well.

We’ll see what happens I’m cool with that based on our track records with us both saying what will happen & what does actually happen in reality.

[Billy Balfour]

I've now resigned myself to fait accompli. Yes, we can still avoid relegation, but this would mean finding some outstanding form, and also relying on others to screw up. Everton, even though a scrappy game, looked like they had enough in them.

[Spijed]

We’ll see what happens I’m cool with that based on our track records with us both saying what will happen & what does actually happen in reality.

Hang on, I've never said which teams will stay up or go down. All I ever do is try and make a balanced argument, looking at form guides etc. I've never once said a side will finish in X position.

[tiger76]

I've now resigned myself to fait accompli. Yes, we can still avoid relegation, but this would mean finding some outstanding form, and also relying on others to screw up. Everton, even though a scrappy game, looked like they had enough in them.

Not completely impossible we survive, but it's looking harder by the result now, and this is the problem when we don't take care of our own house and rely on others to slip up, Everton fans won't care how scrappy last night was because it was all about the 3 points for them, and I dearly wish we could win ugly like that, we used to be the past masters at nabbing hard fought 1-0 wins, but this season we can't buy a win let alone a scrappy win.

[beddie]

I think the loss of Wood has made a big impact, although he’d lost some form he still had enough in him to help us through it. I personally believe he’s a far better striker than Weghorst, he had a better eye and positional sense for scoring. He’s a big miss imo.

[warksclaret]

Surprisingly there are about 6 sides below or around us that could still go down. Sadly all these sides are capable of bringing off a win against the odds as we have been seeing with Watford, Leeds and Brentford. In the case of Leeds Kevin Phillips is due back imminently and Bamford at a later date which will boost them. Were we still able to "win ugly" like we once could, I suspect we would be around 15th right now if not higher

[Jakubclaret]

Hang on, I've never said which teams will stay up or go down. All I ever do is try and make a balanced argument, looking at form guides etc. I've never once said a side will finish in X position.

Most of us have pretty much staked a claim on who’s staying up or going down - you don’t need to say the exact words I’m 100% sure so & so will be relegated, what usually happens is things are typed/pretty much claimed & then amnesia develops when the said teams fortunes change, you aren’t alone in that respect others do it as well, I’d just appreciate a little more honesty - look I don’t really know what I’m talking about but I’ll wing it kind of thing & leave the 1s who do know what they are talking about to it.

[NRC]

Can I remind everyone, we literally didn’t play last night. It is still in our own hands, just.

[Hipper]

The only relegation rival we've beaten so far is Brentford at home a long time ago. We have to play Norwich and Watford away. These seem the most likely source of points but we can't be that confident seeing we have failed at Newcastle, Leeds and Everton.

I just can't see where the points are coming from to keep us up.

[ElectroClaret]

Can I remind everyone, we literally didn’t play last night. It is still in our own hands, just.

Yes it is.
However, that would mean finding the back of our opponent's net on a greatly increased frequency.

We've more or less failed to do that all season, so I'm not exactly confident we're going to make the mark.

I desperately hope I'm wrong, but I think we'll come up short.

[Quickenthetempo]

But we still have a chance, but I'm ready and fairly accepting of our fate

That seems to be the attitude at our ground and Watford's.

Whereas at Everton last night the crowd was intimidating and screamed for every decision. Even when the ref went to the screen for the red card, he was getting abuse from the home crowd trying to influence.
At Leeds they just keep singing and getting behind the team.

Their fanbases look desperate to stay up where ours is meh.

[Lancasterclaret]

That seems to be the attitude at our ground and Watford's.

Whereas at Everton last night the crowd was intimidating and screamed for every decision. Even when the ref went to the screen for the red card, he was getting abuse from the home crowd trying to influence.
At Leeds they just keep singing and getting behind the team.

Their fanbases look desperate to stay up where ours is meh.

Ours is too busy booing our own players

[Boss Hogg]

That seems to be the attitude at our ground and Watford's.

Whereas at Everton last night the crowd was intimidating and screamed for every decision. Even when the ref went to the screen for the red card, he was getting abuse from the home crowd trying to influence.
At Leeds they just keep singing and getting behind the team.

Their fanbases look desperate to stay up where ours is meh.

I watched Everton and they offered far more than we do. There is very little to get excited about watching Burnley at the moment. The performances in the main are dour.

[dsr]

I watched Everton and they offered far more than we do. There is very little to get excited about watching Burnley at the moment. The performances in the main are dour.

Different people see different games. Everton last night IMO were no more effective than Burnley but with a severe attitude problem. Richarlison seemed to think the best way to play was to lie on the ground complaining that someone had taken the ball off him. He should have been subbed much earlier. And the goal was the giftest of the gifts.

[JohnMcGreal]

Different people see different games. Everton last night IMO were no more effective than Burnley but with a severe attitude problem. Richarlison seemed to think the best way to play was to lie on the ground complaining that someone had taken the ball off him. He should have been subbed much earlier. And the goal was the giftest of the gifts.

I thought Everton were absolutely awful and were very lucky to win the game. Richarlison was poor but I thought Iwobi was shocking. Apart from the goal at the death he looked like a league one footballer.