Wout is back

[StayingDown4Ever]

Can’t we have it the other way around?

Your pre season game updates seem oreyt enough but your opinions on stuff are ‘kin pony.

Afraid not, you’ll just have to keep relying on the 95% pony on the transfer rumours thread.

[ksrclaret]

Afraid not, you’ll just have to keep relying on the 95% pony on the transfer rumours thread.

Well we managed fine enough before a horse botherer infiltrated the Gawthorpe fences, im sure we’ll muddle through again.

[AGENT_CLARET]

He's got the unlucky 13 squad number

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[daveisaclaret]

I think it's a good number for a striker.

[Middle-agedClaret]

Welcome back, Wout.
Have a great season.

[123EasyasBFC]

Twine and Wout surely can be sing in the theme of twist and shout

[dougcollins]

I think it's a good number for a striker.

I reckon he's asked for that deliberately.

[Carwin261]

Our CFs (Jay and Barnes) were constantly dropping deep, back to goal, holding off defenders for a flick or pass wide or into Tella running into the space they vacated. They did this all the time, all season.

Other parts of his game can be questioned but this is the exact role that WW excels at, that he always looks good doing, with us and what I saw at United. He is easily better than Jay and Barnes at it and would be absolutely suited to it in the PL.

I don't see us playing that way 100% of the time next season as defences will be higher, but I'd assume it'll still be the default tactic.

He's also massive and we're a pretty small side. When we play Brentford, Luton, Sheff Utd and other set piece teams he'll be very useful defensively.He’ll be good defensively,I’m 74 ,and I can jump higher than him,get shut.

He's paid for and in the door, he's rarely injured, good engine, and works very hard. Dyche's criticism was that he was trying to do too much. If he stays he'll be very good for us this season.

Weird thread this.

[nil_desperandum]

No. 13
Let's hope it turns out as well as it did for Joey Barton in 2015 / 16

[Spiral]

Jeff Hendrick wore 13 the season he scored that team goal at Everton.

[BradTee93]

People mention him only scoring two goals for us in his last spell here…Jay only scored 2 league goals that season also & he had the whole season…

Could he have done better? Yes (but so could 95% of the side that season).

The club & team he left 12 months ago is completely different to the one he’s returned to now. VK ain’t stupid, he would’ve had numerous talks with WW & Alan Pace before welcoming him back to training. If he’s in the claret & blue shirt, then he should be getting the full backing of everyone. People potentially thinking about booing shouldn’t be anywhere near the Turf.

[Spiral]

In fairness Jay was only ever given five minutes here or there that season. Dyche wanted a bettering ram up front. He wanted someone who could affect the "feel" in the box, whatever the hell that means.

[boatshed bill]

The club & team he left 12 months ago is completely different to the one he’s returned to now. VK ain’t stupid, he would’ve had numerous talks with WW & Alan Pace before welcoming him back to training. If he’s in the claret & blue shirt, then he should be getting the full backing of everyone. People potentially thinking about booing shouldn’t be anywhere near the Turf.

I'm not sure we have the choice to deny him access to his job without very good reason.

[BradTee93]

I'm not sure we have the choice to deny him access to his job without very good reason.

Yeah having read that back I wasn’t clear was I it’s been a long week

[Ampth7]

If you consider how important Bash was for the way we played last season, surely there’s a chance that Weghorst could become a key player for us this coming season? He has similar qualities to Ash in terms of his work ethic, hold up play and both are underrated with the ball at their feet.
My only concern is if there is any bad blood between him and any other members of the squad, but I’m sure that can easily be sorted. As for us fans, if we are winning games and he’s scoring/assisting fairly regularly, we’ll be more than happy I reckon!

[Pickles]

I reckon he's asked for that deliberately.

Course, all/most players will choose.

[AfloatinClaret]

I'm giving it less than a 1% chance that we don't bring in a forward this summer. We're clearly willing to spend money to improve the squad.

I do hope that you're proved right as none of our current options fill me with confidence; the problem is of course that unless a club has gazzilions to spend, proven goalscorers aren't that easy to find; if they were, then Wout wouldn't have got poached by United in January.

[GetIntoEm]

Had an absolute storming game today. Can't wait to see him back at the turf

[AfloatinClaret]

...maybe VK knows more than a few on here

Wash your mouth out! Some of us prostrate ourselves in reverence before the lucid and insightful opinions to be found on this forum.

[KRBFC]

He seems to have rocked up for pre season a bit late, suggest that he might have been waiting for something away from Burnley.

The latest lie made up by BFC fans to paint Wout in a negative light. The truth? He’s back when agreed, on time, the reason why later than others? Pretty simple, The FA Cup final was played on June 3rd, our last game was May 8th.

[daveisaclaret]

It is a bit of a shame for those of us that think he's just not good enough that a bunch of cranks, weirdos and body language understanders have come along for the ride.

[TheFamilyCat]

The latest lie made up by BFC fans to paint Wout in a negative light. The truth? He’s back when agreed, on time, the reason why later than others? Pretty simple, The FA Cup final was played on June 3rd, our last game was May 8th.

Been in the Dutch squad as well, hasn't he?

[JohnDearyMe]

He's got the unlucky 13 squad number


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Tony Philliskirk 2.0?

[boatshed bill]

It is a bit of a shame for those of us that think he's just not good enough that a bunch of cranks, weirdos and body language understanders have come along for the ride.

You are not wrong.
I still think he'll be gone by the end of the window.
i've yet to see any proof that he is up to the weekly demands of the EPL

[Lowbankclaret]

He has proved he is a league 1 player at best. So if he is our no1 striker. We get relegated. Even my daughter BF a Man Utd fan told his mates he would score 5 last season after watching him on the turf. He scored none. He will score none for us, hence we get relegated if we score no goals with our main striker.

[Rick_Muller]

I’m glad he’s back. I like him and I think he’ll do well for us if he stays.

[boatshed bill]

He has proved he is a league 1 player at best. So if he is our no1 striker. We get relegated. Even my daughter BF a Man Utd fan told his mates he would score 5 last season after watching him on the turf. He scored none. He will score none for us, hence we get relegated if we score no goals with our main striker.

Our system, as used last season, works despite getting few goals from our central striker (for want of a better title).
I'd have JR ahead of WW to start, Jay does have goals in his game.

[Pickles]

He has proved he is a league 1 player at best.

Madness. Just total and utter drivel.

[CoolClaret]

He has proved he is a league 1 player at best. So if he is our no1 striker. We get relegated. Even my daughter BF a Man Utd fan told his mates he would score 5 last season after watching him on the turf. He scored none. He will score none for us, hence we get relegated if we score no goals with our main striker.

Biggest load of ******** ever posted on UTC/Clarets Mad


Absolutely 0 ‘league one strikers’ bag two in a World Cup quarter final against the eventual winners, or starts in a league cup final for Man United

[Rileybobs]

It is a bit of a shame for those of us that think he's just not good enough that a bunch of cranks, weirdos and body language understanders have come along for the ride.

Do you think any of our other centre forwards are good enough?

[Spiral]

A centre forward in a Kompany team is usually rather busy, and while you can't question Wout's workrate, I wonder how well he actually presses. (I don't actually wonder, that's a figure of speech.) You're an opposition defender with the ball at your feet looking for a pass and Wout is bearing down on you like a pensioner with a zimmer frame, you're thinking you've got all the time in the world.

[daveisaclaret]

Do you think any of our other centre forwards are good enough?

Fingers firmly crossed for Foster. Thought he looked generally decent.

[Spiral]

You get the sense that in Foster there's a lot of clay for the manager and coaches to work with, which can't truthfully be said as of Wout, in whom you know the limits of what you're getting. Jay is to a certain extent reliable; his form is rarely bad, he just gets injured more than anyone would like. Jay and Foster are good options enough for the other attackers to buzz around at least until January where we can assess where we're at, but in an ideal world we'd bring in a new first choice forward, especially with Obafemi (probably) missing the start of the season.

[daveisaclaret]

I forgot about Obafemi, I feel the same on him as on Foster.

[Rileybobs]

Fingers firmly crossed for Foster. Thought he looked generally decent.

I know the response is likely to be that you don’t know whether Foster will be good enough but you know that Weghorst won’t be - which is fair enough. But as things stand I’m pretty certain that Weghorst is the most capable and likely player to be lead the line. Whether he stays or goes I think we need to spend pretty big in that position, but with a lack of signings to date we’d be woefully short up top without him.

[Rileybobs]

I forgot about Obafemi, I feel the same on him as on Foster.

Will miss the start of the season though, and I presume it could be a number of weeks without him.

[Spiral]

With how confident and extroverted he is, and the fact he's almost at a hundred league games, you can easily forget how young Obefemi is. Just checked, he turned 23 a week ago.

[willsclarets]

I know this board is about opinions. But if yours is anywhere near the idea that Wout is a L1 striker...your opinion is just wrong.

[daveisaclaret]

I know the response is likely to be that you don’t know whether Foster will be good enough but you know that Weghorst won’t be - which is fair enough. But as things stand I’m pretty certain that Weghorst is the most capable and likely player to be lead the line. Whether he stays or goes I think we need to spend pretty big in that position, but with a lack of signings to date we’d be woefully short up top without him.

I would add that Foster seems very likely to me to improve and Weghorst does not

[Lancasterclaret]

I would add that Foster seems very likely to me to improve and Weghorst does not

Yeah, but Weghorst doesn't have to improve that much to be capable at this level, while Foster is still very young and has a long way to go (but like you, looked a lot more like it as the season went on, but its still a hell of leap to be effective at this level)

[BleedingClaret]

I would add that Foster seems very likely to me to improve and Weghorst does not

Weghorst was a regular starter for half a season in a team that finished 3rd in the premier league

Foster didn’t start hardly any games, if any in the championship

I would think that it’s more than likely if we don’t sign an alternative centre forward and WW stays that he will start almost every game until January in the Barnes role, not an out and out goal scoring striker but the focal point of attacks with others playing into him and off of him

I don’t know if I think Foster will start a premier league game up to January and that’s when dependant on success or failure we may have to sign a proper goal scoring centre forward and neither WW or Foster will start games

[KRBFC]

You get the sense that in Foster there's a lot of clay for the manager and coaches to work with, which can't truthfully be said as of Wout, in whom you know the limits of what you're getting. Jay is to a certain extent reliable; his form is rarely bad, he just gets injured more than anyone would like. Jay and Foster are good options enough for the other attackers to buzz around at least until January where we can assess where we're at, but in an ideal world we'd bring in a new first choice forward, especially with Obafemi (probably) missing the start of the season.

Imagine claiming Wout is a bad player and bringing up his PL goal scoring record but completely ignoring Jays 2 Pl goals in his last 65 apps. Brilliant waffle as always

[boatshed bill]

Imagine claiming Wout is a bad player and bringing up his PL goal scoring record but completely ignoring Jays 2 Pl goals in his last 65 apps. Brilliant waffle as always

Not necessarily using goals scored as a yardstick, who do you think is the better footballer?

[aggi]

It is not hyperbolic to state he is too limited in terms of mobility and physicality to be of use. We have seen nothing in his spell with us or on loan at United to demonstrate how he will work inside the systems and tactics we employed last season. He has built a fairly decent sample size for himself - how many goals, how many chances created? Four assists and two goals in Premier League football. I think I have that right. Some of this on loan at United... an elite team and he still didn't score or provide chances.

Already covered United's predicament and international football. Players are sometimes signed as stop gaps eg. Falcao, Larsson, Ighalo. United have a history of it.

I will not be sat at the ground launching abuse at him. I would expect us to be struggling in the bottom three with him in the team. We can do better, I think we will sign better. I expect he will be sold making this thread redundant in many ways.

It's not hyperbolic but it is opinion. We spent a large part of last season with a centre forward who didn't score or assist many goals but was there to receive the ball and lay it off. Weghorst might work out in that role or he might not (and probably needs someone like Tella to play off him) but he's probably no worse an option than our other strikers.

But all those posters saying that he's crap or championship or even league one standard, that's really getting carried away.

[Spiral]

Imagine claiming Wout is a bad player and bringing up his PL goal scoring record but completely ignoring Jays 2 Pl goals in his last 65 apps. Brilliant waffle as always

I'm holding Wout to his flimsy goalscoring record because he doesn't do enough outside of the goalscoring part of being a forward to warrant the kind of forbearance afforded to Jay (and Barnes last season after his renaissance, though admittedly Barnes looked well past it at PL level under Dyche, but then so did everyone). Wout is just...there...he runs a lot without affecting play, pressing fairly ineffectively, with the odd "nice touch", the odd bit of chest control, which is nothing Jay can't also do, except Jay is a more aggressive player with a penchant for shooting from anywhere — low back lift, ball right under his feet, loads of power on it — and even if he doesn't score it can occasionally cause problems for defences in the next phase of play, either from a parried save or a block. And despite being shorter, Jay is far better header of the ball. Not for his quality but out of sheer desperation, ManU took a punt on Wout and played him in the exact role we will be using him, and for all the talent around him at UTD he did basically nothing. That's kinda worrying.

[Cirrus_Minor]

The latest lie made up by BFC fans to paint Wout in a negative light. The truth? He’s back when agreed, on time, the reason why later than others? Pretty simple, The FA Cup final was played on June 3rd, our last game was May 8th.

Yeah, of course, he was raring to get back

[KRBFC]

Not necessarily using goals scored as a yardstick, who do you think is the better footballer?

Weghorst by an absolute distance, it’s not really close in most areas.

[KRBFC]

Not necessarily using goals scored as a yardstick, who do you think is the better footballer?

Weghorst by an absolute distance, it’s not really close in most areas.

[KRBFC]

I'm holding Wout to his flimsy goalscoring record because he doesn't do enough outside of the goalscoring part of being a forward to warrant the kind of forbearance afforded to Jay (and Barnes last season after his renaissance, though admittedly Barnes looked well past it at PL level under Dyche, but then so did everyone). Wout is just...there...he runs a lot without affecting play, pressing fairly ineffectively, with the odd "nice touch", the odd bit of chest control, which is nothing Jay can't also do, except Jay is a more aggressive player with a penchant for shooting from anywhere — low back lift, ball right under his feet, loads of power on it — and even if he doesn't score it can occasionally cause problems for defences in the next phase of play, either from a parried save or a block. And despite being shorter, Jay is far better header of the ball. Not for his quality but out of sheer desperation, ManU took a punt on Wout and played him in the exact role we will be using him, and for all the talent around him at UTD he did basically nothing. That's kinda worrying.

More long paragraphs of nothingness. Weghorst was excellent dropping deep and linking play, that assists for Rodriguez (Man Utd home) was pure quality. For a big slow guy he didn’t half wriggle out of tackles on the halfway line and spray it wide with quality. Ran his absolute arse off from the front too. His goal scoring record is questionable, the rest of his game isn’t.

As for Jay, you’re clutching at straws mentioning his shooting ability when his goal record is worse than Wouts.

[Cirrus_Minor]

I don't like them, never have, but I think that most people will agree that Manchester United are a better attacking side than we are or potentially will be next season. Weghorst scored 2 goals as a striker for Manchester United during his 38 match stint with that club so how many is he likely to score for us. Our survival next season will depend upon how many goals we score, maybe someone can explain how Wout will help in this regard.