Ah, you have people blocked who try and answer your questions. That's why.Lowbankclaret wrote:So provide a link to your facts.
Not one of you has as yet.
Wonder why??
Well there was an answer the post after you answered the question, but that’s generally not how the power of the veto works. The threat to exercise a veto will typically mean a vote never happens or that the concerns causing the threat of a veto are sorted out before the vote.Lowbankclaret wrote:I asked all remainers to provide proof we successfully used out veto once.
Silence is golden.
Why is the vote of war veterans more important than others? And if it is, does the fact that the majority voted to remain not suggest you should be thinking again about this.Jakubclaret wrote:I’m just waiting for aggi or nil desperandum to disprove my point regarding disrespecting war veterans, I’m convinced that would be the case in the event of overturning the referendum result, no point in further engagement until this happens. It’s not “where we are now” it’s where we going if some of us continue to not acknowledge the truth & don’t take responsibility. All the good economic reasons have been posted before by other posters regarding the positives towards brexit, it’s fair to argue you are not convinced by all means but the reasons have been given, it’s problematic for you in agreeing.
I want a link where out veto worked.aggi wrote:Facts about what?
You said the UK veto is worthless but then posted a link suggesting you didn't actually know what it was. Do you want a link to how the UK, EU and voting works?
So he blocked it and the EU carried on anyway.aggi wrote:Ah, you have people blocked who try and answer your questions. That's why.
Here you go https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/ ... -eu-treaty" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Also, in repeated discussions about the rebate the point has been made by the UK that we would use the veto to protect our rebate. As such, no formal vote has been taken because of the veto.
Well it was because everyone else could see that an example had been posted. Complaining that no one has answered your question because you've blocked the answer is your issue.Lowbankclaret wrote:I want a link where out veto worked.
You know we blocked that vote totally.
Not hard to understand.
No. The EU didn't carry on anyway. They had to settle for creating a eurozone pact that had no effect on us instead of an EU wide pact that did. The veto did what it was supposed to do.Lowbankclaret wrote:So he blocked it and the EU carried on anyway.
Not the best example of a victory is it.
Next.
Not sure how many times I've got to repeat this, I've already stated in a post today, all votes are equal even dead or alive from 2016 onwards imo I haven't said any different, go back & have a look when I was countering with JM this afternoon, it's not about the votes being more important it's more to do with the votes being ignored because the older generation (most) have passed, if you want to just airbrush Dunkirk & D-day the sacrifices ect from your mind that's you not me. Don't know where you get the majority voted remain from unless you want to foolishly deny the older generation (most) voted leave, the Royal British legion appear very pro brexit & anti German, never underestimate the comradeship within that small tightknit group.aggi wrote:Why is the vote of war veterans more important than others? And if it is, does the fact that the majority voted to remain not suggest you should be thinking again about this.
I'm not really sure what your point is.
Doesn't know what a veto isLowbankclaret wrote:All you remainers.WHERES YOUR PROOF THE 227 billion budget for the EU army is fake news.
You want the votes of dead people respected but you’ll be one of the first on here crying if dead people vote Labour at the next election!Jakubclaret wrote:Not sure how many times I've got to repeat this, I've already stated in a post today, all votes are equal even dead or alive from 2016 onwards imo I haven't said any different, go back & have a look when I was countering with JM this afternoon, it's not about the votes being more important it's more to do with the votes being ignored because the older generation (most) have passed, if you want to just airbrush Dunkirk & D-day the sacrifices ect from your mind that's you not me. Don't know where you get the majority voted remain from unless you want to foolishly deny the older generation (most) voted leave, the Royal British legion appear very pro brexit & anti German, never underestimate the comradeship within that small tightknit group.
Imploding Turtle wrote:Doesn't know what a veto is
Doesn't know what an army is
This list is a work in progress...
I'm trying to focus on the points being made without talking GE that's after in my humble opinion, I'd rather the war veterans/dead people/live people got respected first.martin_p wrote:You want the votes of dead people respected but you’ll be one of the first on here crying if dead people vote Labour at the next election!
Can’t be just have a special Remembrance Day for dead people who voted leave and get on with a second referendum.Jakubclaret wrote:I'm trying to focus on the points being made without talking GE that's after in my humble opinion, I'd rather the war veterans/dead people/live people got respected first.
Links have been provided on the previous page that suggest that the majority of WW2 veterans voted remain. (You obviously couldn't be bothered to read them).Jakubclaret wrote: Don't know where you get the majority voted remain from unless you want to foolishly deny the older generation (most) voted leave, the Royal British legion appear very pro brexit & anti German, never underestimate the comradeship within that small tightknit group.
Lowbankclaret wrote:And your remainers links are!!!
Nowhere.
Read this article: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/ ... st-defence" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Lowbankclaret wrote:All you remainers.WHERES YOUR PROOF THE 227 billion budget for the EU army is fake news.
I don't really read links as I don't believe the content (most of the time) I can usually find a conflicting link which favours my view that's the reason alone, some sections do "appear" Anti German not necessarily a description as such that's more of a thorough a word I'd chosen not to use.nil_desperandum wrote:Links have been provided on the previous page that suggest that the majority of WW2 veterans voted remain. (You obviously couldn't be bothered to read them).
I'm not sure that the Royal British Legion would approve of you describing them as anti-German, but I'm not sure of the relevance of this anyway unless you're suggesting that a vote to leave the EU is an anti-German statement.
How do you know the older generation generally voted leave?Jakubclaret wrote:I don't really read links as I don't believe the content (most of the time) I can usually find a conflicting link which favours my view that's the reason alone, some sections do "appear" Anti German not necessarily a description as such that's more of a thorough a word I'd chosen not to use.
I don't for certain, it appears to be common knowledge, & in the wake of 2016 ageism as soared as a result of this with many older people feeling excluded from society.AndrewJB wrote:How do you know the older generation generally voted leave?
When you say it’s common knowledge that’s because polls and studies have been undertaken and they show this. When the over 65 cohort of people is looked at in greater detail, researchers have found that the eldest among them voted more heavily for Remain.Jakubclaret wrote:I don't for certain, it appears to be common knowledge, & in the wake of 2016 ageism as soared as a result of this with many older people feeling excluded from society.
All the information I've read on age demographics disagrees, like I said before we can all find polls & information which favours our own agendas, it's best to keep a open mind, I'm not personally disagreeing with you I'm not sure myself, night anyway.AndrewJB wrote:When you say it’s common knowledge that’s because polls and studies have been undertaken and they show this. When the over 65 cohort of people is looked at in greater detail, researchers have found that the eldest among them voted more heavily for Remain.
Bet you can’t link the stuff you’ve read that disagrees. I’m not going to hold my breath.Jakubclaret wrote:All the information I've read on age demographics disagrees, like I said before we can all find polls & information which favours our own agendas, it's best to keep a open mind, I'm not personally disagreeing with you I'm not sure myself, night anyway.
Multiple people have explained why it's believed the war generation voted remain. You can airbrush that from your mind if you want but it seems a bit disrespectful towards that generation and the sacrifices at Dunkirk and D-Day etc.Jakubclaret wrote:Not sure how many times I've got to repeat this, I've already stated in a post today, all votes are equal even dead or alive from 2016 onwards imo I haven't said any different, go back & have a look when I was countering with JM this afternoon, it's not about the votes being more important it's more to do with the votes being ignored because the older generation (most) have passed, if you want to just airbrush Dunkirk & D-day the sacrifices ect from your mind that's you not me. Don't know where you get the majority voted remain from unless you want to foolishly deny the older generation (most) voted leave, the Royal British legion appear very pro brexit & anti German, never underestimate the comradeship within that small tightknit group.
That only goes as far as 65+. The war generation are 95+.Jakubclaret wrote:https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/03/a ... m-and-why/
Aged 65 and over. When pollsters have looked at those over 65s in greater detail and broken down into separate groups by age, they discovered that the eldest were more likely to vote Remain.Jakubclaret wrote:https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/03/a ... m-and-why/
Well they didn't, they carried on in a way that didn't impact Britain. A bit like could happen with this magical EU army. Just because you don't like the answer you can't just ignore it.Lowbankclaret wrote:So he blocked it and the EU carried on anyway.
Not the best example of a victory is it.
Next.
65 & over, 95+ doesn't fall below 65 & under, less time on here & swatting up on your maths will do you the world of goodmartin_p wrote:That only goes as far as 65+. The war generation are 95+.
OlderAndrewJB wrote:How do you know the older generation generally voted leave ?
Yes, we’ll maybe you need to go back to school yourself as the point is that 95+ doesn’t include the vast majority of 65+Jakubclaret wrote:65 & over, 95+ doesn't fall below 65 & under, less time on here & swatting up on your maths will do you the world of good
Then it becomes "war"martin_p wrote:That only goes as far as 65+. The war generation are 95+.
The conversation moved on Wrongo, keep up.RingoMcCartney wrote:Older
We were actually talking about "older voters" in case youd forgotten ! You can airbrush that from your mind but it seems to be a bit disrespectful of anybody reading this threadaggi wrote:Multiple people have explained why it's believed the war generation voted remain. You can airbrush that from your mind if you want but it seems a bit disrespectful towards that generation and the sacrifices at Dunkirk and D-Day etc.
Nope, wrong again Wrongo, Jakub was talking about ‘war veterans’, see aggi quoting his post towards the top of this page, post #20653RingoMcCartney wrote:We were actually talking about "older voters" in case youd forgotten !
More goalpost shifting from another of our resident priests of the latter day Brussels Brotherhood.
When pollsters have looked at UTC messageboard in greater detail and broken down into separate groups by how far down the Remoaner Rabbit hole they have travelled. They discovered that the most severe cases were more likely to hang around till the early hours twisting and turning , shifting the goalposts, denying common knowledge about how people voted in the 2016 People's Vote. In the hope that it would change anybody's opinion on whether we should leave the European union or not.AndrewJB wrote:Aged 65 and over. When pollsters have looked at those over 65s in greater detail and broken down into separate groups by age, they discovered that the eldest were more likely to vote Remain.
No ones denying common knowledge or moving goalposts. The problem here is your inability to follow a simple conversation. Night Liz.RingoMcCartney wrote:When pollsters have looked at UTC messageboard in greater detail and broken down into separate groups by how far down the Remoaner Rabbit hole they have travelled. They discovered that the most severe cases were more likely to hang around till the early hours twisting and turning , shifting the goalposts, denying common knowledge about how people voted in the 2016 People's Vote. In the hope that it would change anybody's opinion on whether we should leave the European union or not.
All polling shows their pent up anger and flailing around like hapless, demented clowns, hasn't made one iota of a difference!
Well this is just bizarre. Even by Ringo's normal standards of making stuff up this is impressive bullshit.RingoMcCartney wrote:We were actually talking about "older voters" in case youd forgotten ! You can airbrush that from your mind but it seems to be a bit disrespectful of anybody reading this thread
More goalpost shifting from another of our resident priests of the latter day Brussels Brotherhood.
I've seen surprisingly little research on this given it's understandably an issue. I've seen one heavily caveated piece and that's about it. Although it seems it should be the case there's obviously other factors to consider such as, given the high rates of employment, are the local workers getting higher paid work, would the party be higher than minimum wage, etc? Any links to show that wages will have been depressed?CrosspoolClarets wrote:Good evening.
This is another one of those lines trotted out by Remainers on probably 100 posts of this huge thread.
It has been answered just as many times, if not more.
One example - it has (after a lot of effort by some of us) been accepted by some of the arch Remainers on here that wages of, say, agricultural workers will have been depressed by huge inwards EU migration in that sector. Maybe or maybe not wages overall, but in some sectors.
Thus those long standing citizens of Boston and elsewhere can legitimately say there is a good economic reason for them to vote leave. We can disagree, and have our own reasons, but they are entitled to do so.
My suggestion - let us all respect the other’s votes and accept we have to implement what was decided upon without delaying long enough for them all to die off.
It's impossible to prove. In areas with high levels of immigration, wages haven't particularly fallen/risen less quickly than those with low levels of immigration. But that can be immediately explained by immigrants heading to those places with relative labour shortages, where wages might otherwise have risen sharply.aggi wrote:I've seen surprisingly little research on this given it's understandably an issue. I've seen one heavily caveated piece and that's about it. Although it seems it should be the case there's obviously other factors to consider such as, given the high rates of employment, are the local workers getting higher paid work, would the party be higher than minimum wage, etc? Any links to show that wages will have been depressed?
Besides that point however, how do you think the wages of agricultural workers in Boston will be impacted if we sign free trade agreements throughout the world as you have suggested? Do your think they'll be getting paid above minimum wage whilst competing with cheap imports from overseas?
Those workers in Boston may not be competing directly with EU workers in the same geographic location but, if things go as you want, they'll be competing with workers from all over the world.