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Re: Next manager

Post by Penwortham_Claret » Thu Jun 06, 2024 8:00 pm

The Brighton betting has flipped suddenly with Potter being a strong favourite for a while now dropping down the odds into 3rd place

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Re: Next manager

Post by mikeS » Thu Jun 06, 2024 8:10 pm

Has anyone seen Alan?
Last reports were he was on a train at Kings Cross en route for meeting Frank Lampard.
That trail seems to have gone a bit cold.

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Re: Next manager

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Thu Jun 06, 2024 8:21 pm

mikeS wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2024 8:10 pm
Has anyone seen Alan?
Last reports were he was on a train at Kings Cross en route for meeting Frank Lampard.
That trail seems to have gone a bit cold.
That’s the last I got told, the conflicting reports that Lampard was at crow wood, pace actually went to London to meet him.

Also Pace was actually that shocked about kompany leaving that him and the board really don’t know what direction to go down

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Re: Next manager

Post by mikeS » Thu Jun 06, 2024 8:29 pm

Looking back on this thread, it's a week since it seemed that Lampard was the runaway favourite.
In just over three weeks (usually the start of July) the players return for pre-season training, friendlies and tours.
Hopefully the board will have appointed someone before the month is out.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Silkyskills1 » Thu Jun 06, 2024 8:34 pm

mikeS wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2024 8:29 pm
Looking back on this thread, it's a week since it seemed that Lampard was the runaway favourite.
In just over three weeks (usually the start of July) the players return for pre-season training, friendlies and tours.
Hopefully the board will have appointed someone before the month is out.
6 weeks according to Newcastleclaret93 the other day. Who do I believe?

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Re: Next manager

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Thu Jun 06, 2024 8:52 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2024 8:34 pm
6 weeks according to Newcastleclaret93 the other day. Who do I believe?
24th June they are back
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Re: Next manager

Post by KlyBfc » Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:08 pm

HahaYeah wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2024 7:26 pm
RVN sounds a risky appointment, not massively experienced, he's managed PSV for a year left when they were 2nd in the league and won some dutch cup or other, left citing a lack of support from the club.
Problem is bar us getting Moyes, Cooper or Corberon (which all seem unrealistic/ not going to happen) all the names mentioned are risky appointments.

I’ve got to admit I’m more anxious than excited about who we get. Lampard, Parker, Bellamy, Jackson, Pardew are names which have been linked which fill me with dread. As does the thought of Henry or Viera who fans have linked.

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Re: Next manager

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:12 pm

There's been a steady move constantly this week towards RVN

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Re: Next manager

Post by blatherwickstattoos » Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:13 pm

If we managed to get potter that would be a serious bit of business

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Re: Next manager

Post by Marney&Mee » Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:19 pm

Ternent in with Warnock as his Number 2 last I heard…

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Re: Next manager

Post by mybloodisclaret » Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:24 pm

blatherwickstattoos wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:13 pm
If we managed to get potter that would be a serious bit of business
I agree, Potter seems a highly intelligent coach, plays the right way had a very good record at Brighton and then struggled a bit at the Chelsea basket case (but then again, everyone does). Would be extremely happy with Potter.

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Re: Next manager

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:34 pm

Nixon saying as of this morning it was one of Lampard Parker Bellamy

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Re: Next manager

Post by AfloatinClaret » Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:43 pm

Marney&Mee wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:19 pm
Ternent in with Warnock as his Number 2 last I heard…
I'd believe that ahead of some of the 'In the Know' attention seeking bullshitters that have been posting on this thread.
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Re: Next manager

Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:44 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2024 8:21 pm
That’s the last I got told, the conflicting reports that Lampard was at crow wood, pace actually went to London to meet him.

Also Pace was actually that shocked about kompany leaving that him and the board really don’t know what direction to go down
No wonder it's taking so long if they can't get themselves to the same place at the same time.

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Re: Next manager

Post by roperclaret » Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:56 pm

Honestly whoever we appoint, we’ve no idea how the are going to do. We are not going to attract a manager with a proven history of winning things. So really I couldn’t care less if it’s Bellamy, Lampard, Parker, OGS, RVN or any of the candidates. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating.

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Re: Next manager

Post by DCWat » Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:04 pm

roperclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:56 pm
Honestly whoever we appoint, we’ve no idea how the are going to do. We are not going to attract a manager with a proven history of winning things. So really I couldn’t care less if it’s Bellamy, Lampard, Parker, OGS, RVN or any of the candidates. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating.
From omelettes to puddings, let hope they at least know their way around the kitchen! There are a few names mentioned that I fear might struggle to take to the lid off a yoghurt.

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Re: Next manager

Post by BurnleyFC » Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:10 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:34 pm
Nixon saying as of this morning it was one of Lampard Parker Bellamy
Let’s just appoint Lampard and crack on.

He’s probably going to be the best we could get.

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Re: Next manager

Post by randomclaret2 » Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:13 pm

DCWat wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:04 pm
From omelettes to puddings, let hope they at least know their way around the kitchen! There are a few names mentioned that I fear might struggle to take to the lid off a yoghurt.
Whatever they can rustle up must surely be better than the dog's dinner of a season we've just been served up...
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Re: Next manager

Post by Grimsdale » Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:14 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:34 pm
Nixon saying as of this morning it was one of Lampard Parker Bellamy
If that's the case, it makes no sense appointing Bellamy as a caretaker manager now, better to just appoint the preferred candidate and move on.

I think those three are very much plan B and we are waiting on more (and better) names to become available once the Leicester and Brighton positions are filled.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Carlos the Great » Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:15 pm

I’m amazed how many posters would rather we appoint anyone as long as it’s quick … rather than doing sue dilligence and making the best appointment possible to ensure a swift return to the premier league .. this is the manager we are looking for not a programme seller
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Re: Next manager

Post by fidelcastro » Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:29 pm

AfloatinClaret wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:43 pm
I'd believe that ahead of some of the 'In the Know' attention seeking bullshitters that have been posting on this thread.
Where's DanielJWaterhouse when you need him? ;)
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Re: Next manager

Post by ClaretAndJew » Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:32 pm

Carlos the Great wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:15 pm
I’m amazed how many posters would rather we appoint anyone as long as it’s quick … rather than doing sue dilligence and making the best appointment possible to ensure a swift return to the premier league .. this is the manager we are looking for not a programme seller
Sue Dilligence was my neighbour a few years ago.
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Re: Next manager

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:38 pm

Grimsdale wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:14 pm
If that's the case, it makes no sense appointing Bellamy as a caretaker manager now, better to just appoint the preferred candidate and move on.

I think those three are very much plan B and we are waiting on more (and better) names to become available once the Leicester and Brighton positions are filled.

Aren't Bellamy and Jackson still under contract?

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Re: Next manager

Post by Quicknick » Thu Jun 06, 2024 11:20 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:32 pm
Sue Dilligence was my neighbour a few years ago.
And did you do her?
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Re: Next manager

Post by jojomk1 » Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:37 am

I've heard Alan's daughter is being interviewed today

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Re: Next manager

Post by Caballo » Fri Jun 07, 2024 7:33 am

jojomk1 wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:37 am
I've heard Alan's daughter is being interviewed today
She'd be preferable to Lampard.

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Re: Next manager

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Fri Jun 07, 2024 7:40 am

Caballo wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 7:33 am
She'd be preferable to Lampard.
What's wrong with Lampard

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Re: Next manager

Post by ChorltonCharlie » Fri Jun 07, 2024 7:45 am

If Nixon is right, it's not an inspiring trio.

Lampard, doesn't seem a Burnley 'fit' but I do believe he connected really well with Everton fans other than results. Always seems to slightly under-achieve if you're objectively looking at his managerial career. Doubt he'd be a complete failure, but if I was a betting man I'd not be putting my house on automatic promotion.

Parker, another that just doesn't seem a Burnley 'fit'. In Parker's case I think you can make an argument that he'd have a good chance of repeating VK's promotion, but also a good chance of failing miserably in the PL.

Bellamy, could be great, could be awful. Pace should have an idea of how much he influenced the promotion season and how much he influenced the relegation season. If the rumours are true that things turned a bit sour between him and VK last season that may be down to his frustration with how we set up last season. The bullying allegations are concerning, but then they have been for the last 2 seasons.

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Re: Next manager

Post by golden days » Fri Jun 07, 2024 7:54 am

ChorltonCharlie wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 7:45 am
If Nixon is right, it's not an inspiring trio.

Lampard, doesn't seem a Burnley 'fit' but I do believe he connected really well with Everton fans other than results. Always seems to slightly under-achieve if you're objectively looking at his managerial career. Doubt he'd be a complete failure, but if I was a betting man I'd not be putting my house on automatic promotion.

Parker, another that just doesn't seem a Burnley 'fit'. In Parker's case I think you can make an argument that he'd have a good chance of repeating VK's promotion, but also a good chance of failing miserably in the PL.

Bellamy, could be great, could be awful. Pace should have an idea of how much he influenced the promotion season and how much he influenced the relegation season. If the rumours are true that things turned a bit sour between him and VK last season that may be down to his frustration with how we set up last season. The bullying allegations are concerning, but then they have been for the last 2 seasons.
Not sure finishing 4th in the Premier league, FA cup final and topping the champions league table is under achieving, but based on that, everything after might have been, but with mitigating circumstances
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Re: Next manager

Post by Penwortham_Claret » Fri Jun 07, 2024 9:28 am

If we believe that it is currently a 3 man shortlist, Parker is very good value at 12/1 on Skybet

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Re: Next manager

Post by Blyclaret » Fri Jun 07, 2024 9:36 am

If we are down to those 3 muppets I’m not impressed at all.
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Re: Next manager

Post by ClaretPete001 » Fri Jun 07, 2024 9:46 am

Managers have usually been leaders on the pitch and in the dressing room. Pep, VK, SD whoever you wish to name have all been leaders in different ways.

Quite a few never made it as players so it's hard to say but most were of the Sam Allardyce and Graeme Souness mould - teams captains and leaders on the pitch.

I'm trying to think of spiky contraversial characters who were largely outsiders and rubbed people up the wrong way as footballers who went on the become successful managers but I can't think of too many.

Conte and Zidane were spiky players and difficult characters but both were immense on the pitch...! Craig Bellamy was a good player but never showed any leadership qualities as far as I can see. But clearly, those within the club are closer than I.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Im_not_Robbie_Blake » Fri Jun 07, 2024 9:50 am

Blyclaret wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 9:36 am
If we are down to those 3 muppets I’m not impressed at all.
Nay lad (or lass?)! One of those three would be a far a better choice than Kermit, Miss Piggy or Animal!
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Re: Next manager

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Fri Jun 07, 2024 9:50 am

I don’t know if it’s because Lampard seems the option but the more I think about it the more the idea doesn’t seem that bad, all depending on what back room staff he has.

The derby team, yes it had tomori, mount and Wilson but they where all young and playing the first full season in the championship so I think playoffs was about right for that team
First season at Chelsea he did very well under the circumstances. Second season at Chelsea I’m not convinced Lampard wanted most of the signings
Everton were all over the shop but he didn’t show the tactical experience and that’s the only question mark, his tactics

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Re: Next manager

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Jun 07, 2024 9:54 am

If the choice is between Parker, Pardew and Lampard then it has to be Lampard. I hope.
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Re: Next manager

Post by Rumbletonk » Fri Jun 07, 2024 9:57 am

Quicknick wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2024 11:20 pm
And did you do her?
Oh that's good. Great work :D
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Re: Next manager

Post by TomtheClaret » Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:20 am

These allegations of Bellamy and bullying.
Are these allegations from the past? Or whilst at Burnley? Steve Stone, and Woan had allegations of bullying as well?
I can’t help feel, in this day and age, that a “Telling off” or “Pull ya finger out “
May easily result in a bullying accusation.
Not suggesting that Bellamy’s past has not been disgraceful

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Re: Next manager

Post by IanMcL » Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:29 am

Penwortham_Claret wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 9:28 am
If we believe that it is currently a 3 man shortlist, Parker is very good value at 12/1 on Skybet
Spiderman?

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Re: Next manager

Post by Aclaret » Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:32 am

IanMcL wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:29 am
Spiderman?
We need Superman, not Spiderman.

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Re: Next manager

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:36 am

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2024 8:21 pm

Also Pace was actually that shocked about kompany leaving that him and the board really don’t know what direction to go down
If that was the case, which it can't be, then we would be unbelievably unprofessional.

I recall speaking to Lee Hoos a week after Dyche had been appointed. He'd been actively involved in that recruitment but told us there were a couple of very interesting candidates at the time who weren't quite ready. I remember his line when he told us: "You always have to be looking for your next manager."

Worryingly, we didn't seem to have a plan when Dyche left and that was a Pace decision, so might be concerning when a manager has walked out on them.

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Re: Next manager

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:42 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:36 am
If that was the case, which it can't be, then we would be unbelievably unprofessional.

I recall speaking to Lee Hoos a week after Dyche had been appointed. He'd been actively involved in that recruitment but told us there were a couple of very interesting candidates at the time who weren't quite ready. I remember his line when he told us: "You always have to be looking for your next manager."

Worryingly, we didn't seem to have a plan when Dyche left and that was a Pace decision, so might be concerning when a manager has walked out on them.
I have said on this thread and on another thread that it’s one of the issues with the board that the looks the be no succession planning, I genuinely don’t think Pace saw kompany leaving and has been left shocked with it. Which makes the comments about kompany being the most beautiful girl and wondering how long he can keep him even stranger. If Pace rated kompany so high then he surely didn’t see him being at Burnley long term and there should have been a plan of managers in place. To me the list of names being heavily linked looked rushed together with no real plan.

Lampard - big name with contacts
Parker - two promotions another relatively big name in England
Bellamy - knows the club

Again for me the lack of actual football knowledge at the top of our club is worrying

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Re: Next manager

Post by Penwortham_Claret » Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:43 am

Blyclaret wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 9:36 am
If we are down to those 3 muppets I’m not impressed at all.
With Cooper/Moyes appearing to not be interested, who would you prefer?

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Re: Next manager

Post by northeastclaret » Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:00 am

I assume all those fans happy with Lampard , do not know any Chelsea, Derby or Everton fans. The ones I have spoken to are not complimenty of him as a manager at all and say we need to stay well clear.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Penwortham_Claret » Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:03 am

northeastclaret wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:00 am
I assume all those fans happy with Lampard , do not know any Chelsea, Derby or Everton fans. The ones I have spoken to are not complimenty of him as a manager at all and say we need to stay well clear.
As we would to Everton and Bayern regarding Dyche & Kompany.

I’d prefer an older more experienced manager but being horrified about a manager with 2 championship promotions or another who’s got to a champions league final and finished 4 in the premier league is the most Burnley Fan reaction I’ve ever known

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Re: Next manager

Post by CoolClaret » Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:08 am

Penwortham_Claret wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:03 am
As we would to Everton and Bayern regarding Dyche & Kompany.

I’d prefer an older more experienced manager but being horrified about a manager with 2 championship promotions or another who’s got to a champions league final and finished 4 in the premier league is the most Burnley Fan reaction I’ve ever known
I think the overwhelming vast majority of BFC fans would give nothing but plaudits re Dyche. Vinny mixed bag. Both rightly so as well!

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Re: Next manager

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:08 am

If it is to be Bellamy, i'd want an old head behind/alongside him, as well as Jackson. Brian Flynn would be too old now, most likely, but someone with the necessary gravitas to ensure that Bellamy would listen to them, and they would be worth listening to, would be an improvement on our previous management team's relative inexperience across the board.

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Re: Next manager

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:09 am

CoolClaret wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:08 am
I think the overwhelming vast majority of BFC fans would give nothing but plaudits re Dyche. Vinny mixed bag. Both rightly so as well!
I'd say Dyche is solid, steady, but comes with a use by date, as he would, and has admitted himself.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Penwortham_Claret » Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:10 am

CoolClaret wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:08 am
I think the overwhelming vast majority of BFC fans would give nothing but plaudits re Dyche. Vinny mixed bag. Both rightly so as well!
I disagree on Dyche. The sentiment is definitely different today in comparison to when he was sacked.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Guller Bull » Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:14 am

Are we waiting for Gareth to exit the England job? Is that why CB and MJ are keeping the ship steady?

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Re: Next manager

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:15 am

Unrelated, but i've not seen Potter linked with the Leicester job anywhere. Seems a weird one

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