More post brexit referendum good news!!!!

[UpTheBeehole]

Ringo how many times in your lifetime did you go and vote in the European elections?

How did you vote?

Are you going to answer this Ringo?

[Lancasterclaret]

Oh interesting, we have regional brexit impact studies.

Now who is going to be the first to leak one for Lancashire I wonder?

[RingoMcCartney]

Well almost in that the vote is to not keep them, not to get rid of them. We both know that you weren't aware that this was how the elections worked when you started banging this particular drum though.

Do we!?

You haven't addressed the issue of somebody like Catherine Ashton. Unelected by anyone. APPOINTED by Gordon Brown as an EU commissioner. And then swears an oath of allegiance, not to Britain but to the EU.Self serving and undemocratic.

Also, I'm cynical of most politicians. But I'm against politicians who have the ability to make decisions that affect me, my family, my town and country who stand for parties that I can never ever vote for- Jean Claude Drunker and literally hundreds of MEPS and EU commissioners. You may be comfortable with it, im not.

But what is more worrying is the proposal that funding be withdrawn from parties that do not have pan European representation and increasing the tax payer funding for parties that do. Think about it. Parties like the 5 star movement in Italy, the anti austerity party in Greece, that won the Greek election, Parties that tend to be eurosceptic, would have their funding choked off. But parties who, given they have a broader pan national outlook and memvership, you have to assume they'll be more pro EU, will become richer. That is very very sinister

Once politicians have a taste of power. They are increasingly less likely to relinquish it and more likely to bolster and entrench their position and their agenda.

By voting to Leave and not being part of the EU experiment, I voted to bring the decision making closer to home and the politicians that I vote for more accountable to me, my family, my town and country. Its removes a whole tier of unecessary self serving politicians and overpaid EU pen pushers.

[RingoMcCartney]

Burnley has a population of 73,021 at last count.

28,854 voted to leave.

So 39.5% voted to leave.

Turf Moor is full of out of towners. Dilutes your sample even further.

Still waiting for the percentage of the general population of Burnley who voted Remain!

Tick tock.....tick tock.......

[UpTheBeehole]

By voting to Leave and not being part of the EU experiment, I voted to bring the decision making closer to home and the politicians that I vote for more accountable to me, my family, my town and country.

How is Theresa May accountable to you?

[RingoMcCartney]

Burnley has a population of 73,021 at last count.

28,854 voted to leave.

So 39.5% voted to leave.

Turf Moor is full of out of towners. Dilutes your sample even further.

Still waiting for the percentage of the general population of Burnley who voted Remain!

Tick tock.....tick tock.......

[Tall Paul]

Also, I'm cynical of most politicians. But I'm against politicians who have the ability to make decisions that affect me, my family, my town and country who stand for parties that I can never ever vote for

Like the DUP?

[UpTheBeehole]

You can work it out yourself

Or actually, having seen you embarrassingly struggle with percentages the other day, you can't work it out yourself at all can you?

No wonder you took a sabbatical from posting, must be hard getting through life with such a poor handle on primary school level maths

[Lancasterclaret]

Can I be honest here?

The likes of Ringo, dsr etc are making a far, far, far better case for leave than the UK government is managing today.

Thats where we are at as a country (and i mean that as no disrespect to Ringo and Dsr, who stick to their guns and manage to deflect difficult question pretty well)

[RingoMcCartney]

You can work it out yourself

Or actually, having seen you embarrassingly struggle with percentages the other day, you can't work it out yourself at all can you?

No wonder you took a sabbatical from posting, must be hard getting through life with such a poor handle on primary school level maths

As I said at the time, a genuine mistake despite pressing the 5 year icon, it gave me the current, up to minute, figure. Held my hand up. No biggy. Not to me or anyone else apart from you!

How's the figures looking? Its not me that's struggling apparently....

Tick tock......tick tock......

[RingoMcCartney]

Like the DUP?

That's right Paul. The same DUP that had a similar arrangement with Labour in the 70s.

[UpTheBeehole]

That's right Paul. The same DUP that had a similar arrangement with Labour in the 70s.

Source?

[UpTheBeehole]

Have you got a source for this Ringo?

I suspect I know the mistake you've made (once again), but I'm interested to see whether you have other information to support your post about the DUP

[Tall Paul]

That's right Paul. The same DUP that had a similar arrangement with Labour in the 70s.

I'm not sure what that has to do with the subject at hand.

[UpTheBeehole]

Ringo thinks that the Ulster Unionist Party is the same as 'the same DUP'.

Easy mistake to make, if you're thick as f*ck.

[Tall Paul]

Ringo thinks that the Ulster Unionist Party is the same as 'the same DUP'.

Easy mistake to make, if you're thick as f*ck.

Even if it was, it's completely irrelevant and a clear deflection from the man who accuses everyone else of deflecting.

[UpTheBeehole]

Ringo has more deflections than a disallowed Ashley Barnes goal

Said it before and I'll say it again

[RingoMcCartney]

I'm not sure what that has to do with the subject at hand.

I'm not sure what the DUP had to do with what I said to be honest. As you'll be aware northern Ireland is unique as it's main parties are based on religious grounds. That's been the case for years and unlikely to change for the foreseeable future. What was the point you were making.

[RingoMcCartney]

Burnley has a population of 73,021 at last count.

28,854 voted to leave.

So 39.5% voted to leave.

Turf Moor is full of out of towners. Dilutes your sample even further.

Any joy?

[quoonbeatz]

I'm not sure what the DUP had to do with what I said to be honest. As you'll be aware northern Ireland is unique as it's main parties are based on religious grounds. That's been the case for years and unlikely to change for the foreseeable future. What was the point you were making.

that you can't vote for the DUP, who currently have an influence on the way the uk is run.

[RingoMcCartney]

Even if it was, it's completely irrelevant and a clear deflection from the man who accuses everyone else of deflecting.

My mistake. It was a supply and confidence deal with the liberal party in the 70s. They tried to do a supply and confidence deal with the DUP in 2015. Apologies.

[RingoMcCartney]

that you can't vote for the DUP, who currently have an influence on the way the uk is run.

As I say, the NI situation is unique. But as long as NI remains in the UK, there's nothing I or anybody can do about the situation. We share the same fiscal and monetary policy, NHS, currency and NI men serve in the British army. I'm fine with them having unique parties that from time to time work with other parties.

However, 17,400,000 Britons voted to end a situation whereby parties all across the continent of Europe are able to have an influence on the UK.

[UpTheBeehole]

Based on a turnout of 43,316, 14,462 Burnley residents voted to remain

On an electorate of 64,458, 28,854 Burnley residents voted to leave. (44.76% opting to change the status quo)

55.24% therefore were happy enough not to vote to Leave the EU

[Vino blanco]

Don't normally get involved in political posts because of all the biased drivel and false information. But why don't all you supporters of remaining in the EU, simply wait until we are out and then vote at the next General Election for the party, which promises to take us back in again?

[Lancasterclaret]

Ah, that old chestnut.

May I refer you to the whole thread, from the start. You are going to need a lot more than one bottle of Vino Blanco!

[UpTheBeehole]

Why didn't you vote in a party who promised to take us out?

Why did Cameron even need to call a referendum?

There had already been a Referendum party, and there was already UKIP.

[RingoMcCartney]

Don't normally get involved in political posts because of all the biased drivel and false information. But why don't all you supporters of remaining in the EU, simply wait until we are out and then vote at the next General Election for the party, which promises to take us back in again?

Because the likes of Keir Starmer, the unelected Adonis, Hesletine, Clarke, the kicked outvon his arse, Clegg and Anna Soubrey want to deny democracy ignore the result of the biggest single expression democracy and thwart the Will of majority of the British People.

[Tall Paul]

As I say, the NI situation is unique. But as long as NI remains in the UK, there's nothing I or anybody can do about the situation. We share the same fiscal and monetary policy, NHS, currency and NI men serve in the British army. I'm fine with them having unique parties that from time to time work with other parties.

But earlier you said, "I'm against politicians who have the ability to make decisions that affect me, my family, my town and country who stand for parties that I can never ever vote for"

Were you lying?

[aggi]

Do we!?

You haven't addressed the issue of somebody like Catherine Ashton. Unelected by anyone. APPOINTED by Gordon Brown as an EU commissioner. And then swears an oath of allegiance, not to Britain but to the EU.Self serving and undemocratic.

Also, I'm cynical of most politicians. But I'm against politicians who have the ability to make decisions that affect me, my family, my town and country who stand for parties that I can never ever vote for- Jean Claude Drunker and literally hundreds of MEPS and EU commissioners. You may be comfortable with it, im not.

But what is more worrying is the proposal that funding be withdrawn from parties that do not have pan European representation and increasing the tax payer funding for parties that do. Think about it. Parties like the 5 star movement in Italy, the anti austerity party in Greece, that won the Greek election, Parties that tend to be eurosceptic, would have their funding choked off. But parties who, given they have a broader pan national outlook and memvership, you have to assume they'll be more pro EU, will become richer. That is very very sinister

Once politicians have a taste of power. They are increasingly less likely to relinquish it and more likely to bolster and entrench their position and their agenda.

By voting to Leave and not being part of the EU experiment, I voted to bring the decision making closer to home and the politicians that I vote for more accountable to me, my family, my town and country. Its removes a whole tier of unecessary self serving politicians and overpaid EU pen pushers.

You acknowledged previously that you weren't aware that the election process had changed before Juncker was appointed (previously it was more as you described, you voted and then the parties chose a president after, this was changed) but that's by the by.

Gordon Brown didn't APPOINT Catherine Ashton as an EU commissioner, he didn't have the power to do that. Gordon Brown nominated her, the EU Parliament who we elected appointed her.

I guess the question is where do you draw the line? Why is the UK making the decisions OK? Wouldn't it be better to get rid of those Scottish/Welsh/NI ones we can't vote for and don't represent us? Shouldn't we be voting for England to leave the UK? Get rid of the Welsh assembly, Scottish Parliament, all those unnecessary politicians. But then there are all those Southerners, the metropolitan elite, we probably want the North West to leave England. etc. etc.

[Vino blanco]

Read it from the start Lancaster, but would still pose the same question.

[BennyD]

Based on a turnout of 43,316, 14,462 Burnley residents voted to remain

On an electorate of 64,458, 28,854 Burnley residents voted to leave. (44.76% opting to change the status quo)

55.24% therefore were happy enough not to vote to Leave the EU

Or;

on an electorate of 64,458, 14,462 voted to remain. (22% opting not to change the status quo)

78% therefore we’re happy enough not to vote to remain in the EU.

You really don’t help yourself.

[UpTheBeehole]

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[UpTheBeehole]

Because the likes of Keir Starmer, the unelected Adonis, Hesletine, Clarke, the kicked outvon his arse, Clegg and Anna Soubrey want to deny democracy ignore the result of the biggest single expression democracy and thwart the Will of majority of the British People.

Can you type that again, and in English this time please?

[Paul Waine]

Based on a turnout of 43,316, 14,462 Burnley residents voted to remain

On an electorate of 64,458, 28,854 Burnley residents voted to leave. (44.76% opting to change the status quo)

55.24% therefore were happy enough not to vote to Leave the EU

Hi UTB, I guess you know that you get zero marks for your answer to the question.

The sum you need to do is: 14,462/43,316 = 33.4% (rounded to 1 decimal point).

We can't know how the people that didn't vote would have voted. A "didn't vote" is not a vote for the "status quo" - whatever the "status quo" is. At best it is a vote "I'll let those that vote decide."

[RingoMcCartney]

Based on a turnout of 43,316, 14,462 Burnley residents voted to remain

On an electorate of 64,458, 28,854 Burnley residents voted to leave. (44.76% opting to change the status quo)

55.24% therefore were happy enough not to vote to Leave the EU

According to you "So 39.5% voted to leave."

What's the figure for remain?

Come on you like to portray yourself as the UTC message board stat man and provider of graphs and the resident supplier of memes with a camp guy from some 90s American game show going "Oh My God" in slow motion.

Surely you've the the figure by now! I've only been asking you for a couple of hours

[RingoMcCartney]

Can you type that again, and in English this time please?

Struggle with maths and English now uphisownhole do you?

Pity the fool.....

[UpTheBeehole]

Hi UTB, I guess you know that you get zero marks for your answer to the question.

The sum you need to do is: 14,462/43,316 = 33.4% (rounded to 1 decimal point).

We can't know how the people that didn't vote would have voted. A "didn't vote" is not a vote for the "status quo" - whatever the "status quo" is. At best it is a vote "I'll let those that vote decide."

Didn't vote is definitely a vote for the status quo, that's why it's the status quo

[UpTheBeehole]

Struggle with maths and English now uphisownhole do you?

Pity the fool.....

Please point out the grammatical error in my post

[Paul Waine]

Didn't vote is definitely a vote for the status quo, that's why its the status quo

Sorry, no, "Didn't vote" is "didn't vote." Nothing more, nothing less.

You don't get the "status quo" if you don't cast your vote.

[UpTheBeehole]

According to you "So 39.5% voted to leave."

What's the figure for remain?

Come on you like to portray yourself as the UTC message board stat man and provider of graphs and the resident supplier of memes with a camp guy from some 90s American game show going "Oh My God" in slow motion.

Surely you've the the figure by now! I've only been asking you for a couple of hours

The figure is in that post you utter rem.

[quoonbeatz]

As I say, the NI situation is unique. But as long as NI remains in the UK, there's nothing I or anybody can do about the situation. We share the same fiscal and monetary policy, NHS, currency and NI men serve in the British army. I'm fine with them having unique parties that from time to time work with other parties.

However, 17,400,000 Britons voted to end a situation whereby parties all across the continent of Europe are able to have an influence on the UK.

so you're fine with "politicians who have the ability to make decisions that affect me, my family, my town and country who stand for parties that I can never ever vote for" but you're against "politicians who have the ability to make decisions that affect me, my family, my town and country who stand for parties that I can never ever vote for".

can't argue with that.

[RingoMcCartney]

You acknowledged previously that you weren't aware that the election process had changed before Juncker was appointed (previously it was more as you described, you voted and then the parties chose a president after, this was changed) but that's by the by.

Gordon Brown didn't APPOINT Catherine Ashton as an EU commissioner, he didn't have the power to do that. Gordon Brown nominated her, the EU Parliament who we elected appointed her.

I guess the question is where do you draw the line? Why is the UK making the decisions OK? Wouldn't it be better to get rid of those Scottish/Welsh/NI ones we can't vote for and don't represent us? Shouldn't we be voting for England to leave the UK? Get rid of the Welsh assembly, Scottish Parliament, all those unnecessary politicians. But then there are all those Southerners, the metropolitan elite, we probably want the North West to leave England. etc. etc.

Oh fella, there's a bit of pedantry there! Nominate. Appointed. Ashton was not elected. Which ever way you describe it. No ballot paper with her name on it.

As for the UK. I'm a democract. If any of the various part of the union want to Leave I'd respect that decision. Thus far, none have.

As I've said lookimg down the tracks and the proposals for squeezing out certain parties, who are eurosceptic, financially should set the, democratic, alarm bells ringing for anybody. Regardless of which way you voted in the referendum.

[RingoMcCartney]

Please point out the grammatical error in my post

There wasn't one. Not understanding English is not the same as making a grammatical error.

[BennyD]

Hi UTB, I guess you know that you get zero marks for your answer to the question.

The sum you need to do is: 14,462/43,316 = 33.4% (rounded to 1 decimal point).

We can't know how the people that didn't vote would have voted. A "didn't vote" is not a vote for the "status quo" - whatever the "status quo" is. At best it is a vote "I'll let those that vote decide."

Correct and that’s why I used Upyerbumholes own figures and method of working; it showed how grossly stupid his reasoning was. However, I’ve come to expect such pigheaded inflexibility when it comes to him trying to prove he was right in voting remain. Tbh, we won’t know for sure until way after we leave, but UYB is praying we all crash and burn so that he can say “I told you so”. I suppose that’s the true definition of a grade A, ocean going, fur lined dickhead.

[UpTheBeehole]

Because the likes of Keir Starmer, the unelected Adonis, Hesletine, Clarke, the kicked outvon his arse, Clegg and Anna Soubrey want to deny democracy ignore the result of the biggest single expression democracy and thwart the Will of majority of the British People.

I've put your spelling errors in bold, and the poor grammar in italics.

Italics are the slanted letters, for information.

[RingoMcCartney]

The figure is in that post you utter rem.

No it's not.

39.5% for leave is one figure

The figure for remain isn't in the post. You've yet to provide it.

[Sidney1st]

Sorry, no, "Didn't vote" is "didn't vote." Nothing more, nothing less.

You don't get the "status quo" if you don't cast your vote.

Always amusing when some of the remain side assume the non voters want to remain.
They also tried to coerce those who weren't sure into voting remain because it's 'easier' to go with what you know.

[UpTheBeehole]

No it's not.

39.5% for leave is one figure

The figure for remain isn't in the post. You've yet to provide it.

It's in the bit that says

14,462

[RingoMcCartney]

I've put your spelling errors in bold, and the poor grammar in italics.

Italics are the slanted letters, for information.

So you asked me where your grammatical errors were. I said there were none. You simply didn't understand English as well as struggling with maths. Now you're pointing out my , phone induced, spelling mistakes that have no effect on what should be your ability to understand what I'm saying! You're getting yourself into a right old Imploding Turtles Head type mess aren't you!

[Sidney1st]

Why put that number instead of the percentage?