Britt Assombalonga

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:01 pm

We will break our record again this year so yes, I think we would be prepared to spend 15 million. Whether that's on Assombalonga remains to be seen.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:04 pm

Id like us to sign him . The guys got 4 years left on his contract i think it will be a tough one

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:05 pm

DCWat wrote:We will break our record again this year so yes, I honk we would be prepared to spend 15 million. Whether that's on Assombalonga remains to be seen.

How much should we set as our limit for a striker?
we've reportedly spent £10m (ish) on two occasions for midfielders, goals cost more,

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:05 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:If boro are willing to pay the 15 m for britt then we can whistle bye bye

Not necessarily. Boro aren't a PL club, so it would depend on the players immediate ambitions. He has a contract at Forest, and, if he so wished, his agent could tell the club that he will only move to a PL club,

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:07 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Not necessarily. Boro aren't a PL club, so it would depend on the players immediate ambitions. He has a contract at Forest, and, if he so wished, his agent could tell the club that he will only move to a PL club,

If forest had any ambition about going up they wouldnt sell him and also sell him to a promotion rival

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:10 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:If forest had any ambition about going up they wouldnt sell him and also sell him to a promotion rival

If the player wanted to leave they'd be daft to try and keep him.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:10 pm

boatshed bill wrote:How much should we set as our limit for a striker?
we've reportedly spent £10m (ish) on two occasions for midfielders, goals cost more,

That's the (multi) million dollar question.

Unless we can unearth someone from abroad or take a punt on a youngster, we will have to be prepared to pay. Like you say, a decent striker costs a lot but the right person could be the difference between relegation and survival.

I'd hope we are after someone that is going to return a profit, should they prove their worth.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:15 pm

fidelcastro wrote:If the player wanted to leave they'd be daft to try and keep him.

Has the player said that he wants to move ? From what i read yesterday it said the player his happy at forest and wont try to force a move . Maybe if we keep bidding his head might get turned

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:16 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:If forest had any ambition about going up they wouldnt sell him and also sell him to a promotion rival

Two points.
Following your logic, Forest would probably prefer him to come here than to a rival, and if additionally the player makes it clear that he wants to come here, then they would be taking a huge gamble if they blocked the move.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:18 pm

DCWat wrote:
I'd hope we are after someone that is going to return a profit, should they prove their worth.

Any striker who scores enough goals to secure us another season in the PL will have made us a profit and proved their worth.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:24 pm

DCWat wrote:That's the (multi) million dollar question.

Unless we can unearth someone from abroad or take a punt on a youngster, we will have to be prepared to pay. Like you say, a decent striker costs a lot but the right person could be the difference between relegation and survival.

I'd hope we are after someone that is going to return a profit, should they prove their worth.

Given the guide set by Kodija and Hogan last season, i would say that if we think Assombalonga is ready to slot straight into the Premier League, then i'd not be hanging around too long if he's available at £15 million. It sounds like big money but in modern terms its not, ludicrous as that sounds in some respects. If we dont think he's ready to step up in quick time then im not sure we'd be in for him in the first place.

Of course, there may be better value to be found elsewhere in the world, but that rather takes us back to the discussion about scouting earlier on.

BurnleyPaul · Post by **BurnleyPaul** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:25 pm

If we do end up spending £15 million on Assombalonga then I'd imagine that about 1/3 of that amount will be dependent on add-ons....like staying up and to be fair if we end up paying an extra £3-4 million solely for remaining in the Premier League then I'd be happy.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:28 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:If boro are willing to pay the 15 m for britt then we can whistle bye bye

One slight flaw in that Boro ain't a Premier League team and the player will have a say in matters

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:29 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:One slight flaw in that Boro ain't a Premier League team and the player will have a say in matters

As will his agent.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:34 pm

fidelcastro wrote:As will his agent.

Whose to say that boro aint willing to double his wages something that we cant offer . Like i said previously i really hope we do get him because hes a fantastic player

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:36 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Any striker who scores enough goals to secure us another season in the PL will have made us a profit and proved their worth.

Of course but I'm talking in terms of a saleable asset.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:37 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:Whose to say that boro aint willing to double his wages something that we cant offer . Like i said previously i really hope we do get him because hes a fantastic player

Fair comment, if he goes for the money he's not the type of player I want anyway

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:41 pm

claretspice wrote:Given the guide set by Kodija and Hogan last season, i would say that if we think Assombalonga is ready to slot straight into the Premier League, then i'd not be hanging around too long if he's available at £15 million. It sounds like big money but in modern terms its not, ludicrous as that sounds in some respects. If we dont think he's ready to step up in quick time then im not sure we'd be in for him in the first place.

Of course, there may be better value to be found elsewhere in the world, but that rather takes us back to the discussion about scouting earlier on.

That's a good point, Spice.

The costs of strikers seemed to increase week by week last summer so 15m wouldn't be unreasonable in that respect.

I'm probably more in favour of Assombalonga than you are but the injury does raise a few doubts.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:48 pm

Somewhere between 12-16 million is about right, and if Gray goes we need him.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:49 pm

My concern is mostly about whether he has the subtlety and technique to adapt quickly to the Premier League. Generally, players of that ilk have been more successful going up with a team theyre already part of than transferring to a premier league team from the Championship - there's a pressure that goes with being signed as the goal scorer in a team you don't yet know in a league where more players can deal with raw pace and power. And its so important to hit the ground running and have the best possible chance of scoring early, or else that pressure builds.

For those reasons, whilst i bang this drum a lot, i'd really like Assombalonga to have a pre season to assimilate and i think there's a premium worth paying to get him here in good time.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:50 pm

Championship players may not look at us as a Premier League side, they may think they have a better chance by staying where they are, although most Forest players probably don't see it that way right now.

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:50 pm

DCWat wrote:Of course but I'm talking in terms of a saleable asset.

Can we buy him first before we talk about selling him

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:51 pm

Look at him as a January window player, don't expect immediate impact.

Zom Zom · Post by **Zom Zom** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:11 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Championship players may not look at us as a Premier League side, they may think they have a better chance by staying where they are, although most Forest players probably don't see it that way right now.

Give it a rest will you?
I hope to God you don't work for the Samaritans.

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:16 pm

Ablue is clearly dropping in cliches looking for bites.

I've bitten, get a life FFS.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:35 pm

DCWat wrote:Of course but I'm talking in terms of a saleable asset.

I agree with you - of course - but I was just pointing out that our situation is a bit different now, and that a players sell on value cannot be compared to the financial benefit of staying up. We can therefore afford to look at players who we wouldn't have considered in the past.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:22 am

Isn't asssammbollloooongga injury prone? Better value abroad by far.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:36 am

claretspice wrote:My concern is mostly about whether he has the subtlety and technique to adapt quickly to the Premier League. Generally, players of that ilk have been more successful going up with a team theyre already part of than transferring to a premier league team from the Championship - there's a pressure that goes with being signed as the goal scorer in a team you don't yet know in a league where more players can deal with raw pace and power. And its so important to hit the ground running and have the best possible chance of scoring early, or else that pressure builds.

For those reasons, whilst i bang this drum a lot, i'd really like Assombalonga to have a pre season to assimilate and i think there's a premium worth paying to get him here in good time.

Valid points, Spice. It's likely that whoever we get will be in the same boat, especially if Andre does leave. I certainly prefer the earlier signings and we see it can be done by clubs of a similar size to ours.

Perhaps this is part of the reason for a signing such as Walters. Someone who knows the league and of course we have Vokes and Barnes with some experience. That experience could be invaluable alongside someone who hasn't as yet played in the PL.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:57 am

I'd say due to his injuries, £12m + £3M add ons is a fair price and i think we will pay that.

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:06 am

claretspice wrote:My concern is mostly about whether he has the subtlety and technique to adapt quickly to the Premier League. Generally, players of that ilk have been more successful going up with a team theyre already part of than transferring to a premier league team from the Championship - there's a pressure that goes with being signed as the goal scorer in a team you don't yet know in a league where more players can deal with raw pace and power. And its so important to hit the ground running and have the best possible chance of scoring early, or else that pressure builds.

For those reasons, whilst i bang this drum a lot, i'd really like Assombalonga to have a pre season to assimilate and i think there's a premium worth paying to get him here in good time.

This! I still liken him to Michail Antonio. I raised my eyebrows when West Ham signed him from Forest. Not dissimilar in style or goalscoring record. He seemlessly fitted in and has been one of their better players. Of course he's predominantly used as a wing back by them and while I'm not advocating we use Assombalonga as a wing back, I think he could well be adaptable. Worth £15 million? Well, you pay the going rate and as you state. Getting him in early and paying a premium may well be worthwhile.

Cubanclaret · Post by **Cubanclaret** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:04 am

He shouldn't be worth as much as Gray surely, given his injury record and the fact he's never played at this level.
Our tactics in dealing with Nottm Forest might be influenced by compliance with how West Ham behave.
Dyche's personal link with Warburton could also be critical, would an Arfield or Barnes be a potential makeweight?

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:10 am

Cubanclaret wrote:He shouldn't be worth as much as Gray surely, given his injury record and the fact he's never played at this level.
Our tactics in dealing with Nottm Forest might be influenced by compliance with how West Ham behave.
Dyche's personal link with Warburton could also be critical, would an Arfield or Barnes be a potential makeweight?

What he's worth at face value and what a club is willing to sell for are two different things. Lot's of things determine these things. Do they need to sell? No. They are not desperate. Can they get top dollar, probably more than he's worth? Yes.
In Forest's case, it's a sellers market. They can afford to hold out for a bid which potentially is more than he is worth. However. If a buying club weighs that up against potential increase in income by sustaining Premier League Football or a more favourable league position in it. It balances out the fee.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:13 am

9 day deadline, don't want this dragging on.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:51 am

Any guesses on how many posts on this thread before us or someone else signs him?

Currently 283 so knowing our track record I'm going for 637.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:04 am

Asso has often blasted wide when I have seen him on the box. Not sure he is a Gray type finished. We can't afford to waste chances he might need. I would rather have Defoe for a couple of years. Goals assured. Nice big signing on fee and reasonable wages.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:13 am

IanMcL wrote: I would rather have Defoe for a couple of years. Goals assured. Nice big signing on fee and reasonable wages.

All sorts of reasons why we wouldn't / couldn't sign Defoe, not least the fact that he only recently signed a lucrative 3 year deal at Bournemouth.

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:15 am

IanMcL wrote:Asso has often blasted wide when I have seen him on the box. Not sure he is a Gray type finished. We can't afford to waste chances he might need. I would rather have Defoe for a couple of years. Goals assured. Nice big signing on fee and reasonable wages.

From what I have heard he is a bad egg. I don't mean Dyche's omellete's either. Overall don't think he'd have fit our 'team ethic'.

lucs86 · Post by **lucs86** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:23 am

Cubanclaret wrote:He shouldn't be worth as much as Gray surely, given his injury record and the fact he's never played at this level.
Our tactics in dealing with Nottm Forest might be influenced by compliance with how West Ham behave.
Dyche's personal link with Warburton could also be critical, would an Arfield or Barnes be a potential makeweight?

I think a big part of the reason their values are similar is that Gray has 1 year left on his contract and Assombalonga has 4. One of the benefits of long contracts.

I'd be devastated if Arfield or Barnes went in the other direction. With Boyd gone we have to keep hold of Arfield, he's the last of the trusted promotion midfield, he's a legend of the framework and we need him in the matchday squad for when we're keeping it tight or closing games out. Barnes is just brilliant and will get a lot of football again this season regardless of (hopefully) Walters and Assombalonga.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:36 am

Arfield is a weak tackler and cannot sucessfully play centre mid.
His best role is out wide

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:49 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:Arfield is a weak tackler and cannot sucessfully play centre mid.
His best role is out wide

Don't think anyone would disagree with you. He's a liability in centre midfield. Out wide as a squad player he can have a goal threat but I think his days are numbered. Depends who else we bring in.

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:31 pm

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jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:49 pm

Having started this thread with a month or so of last season to go, I didn't realise we'd get linked with Britt. I'd be absolutely over the moon if we landed him.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:55 pm

claretblue wrote:http://www.nottinghampost.com/hard-not- ... story.html

I read that earlier and choked when he said £15m was too cheap - that is all down to Aston Villa and their forward spend last season

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:01 am

Nixon is reporting we are going to offer Tendayi Darikwa as a sweetener to get the deal done.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:17 am

Its £15million or £14.99 million plus Darikwa

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:28 am

randomclaret2 wrote:Its £15million or £14.99 million plus Darikwa

Ha ha no i think the 8 million still stands with Darikwa who Burnley value at 2 million.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:50 am

Guy I know was talking to one of our directors in Manchester last week (not naming director for obvious reasons)

Supposed to be our main target this summer

If we were prepared to let Gray go would we be prepared to pay as much for his replacement - I would have thought so

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:59 am

I don't think the club will be over concerned about the size of the transfer fee. Wages seem to be the stumbling block on most of our transfers, thus the reason why we go for championship players. We can't afford the wages of any established premier league players

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:03 am

randomclaret2 wrote:Its £15million or £14.99 million plus Darikwa

Job done then.

Tribesmen · Post by **Tribesmen** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:16 am

Top Claret wrote:I don't think the club will be over concerned about the size of the transfer fee. Wages seem to be the stumbling block on most of our transfers, thus the reason why we go for championship players. We can't afford the wages of any established premier league players

Errrrr Jon Walters ???????