Trump's Lies

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:01 am

Conservatism, the politics of greed.
Don't you think the old "we're still sorting out the problems we were left with" excuse is wearing a bit thin after all these years. When can we expect to see some er, strong and stable leadership ?
They haven't a clue. Still, the haggard, old lady has just a few more weeks to sleepwalk through.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:40 am

I assume that you are having a rant at me, but I don't really care as you are still on my ignore list. So, you too can shove your socialist tendencies up your chuff. D!ckhead.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:45 am

' conservatism the politics of greed' laughable comment

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:55 am

BennyD wrote:I assume that you are having a rant at me, but I don't really care as you are still on my ignore list. So, you too can shove your socialist tendencies up your chuff. D!ckhead.

Who said that???

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:55 am

BennyD wrote:The Tories have always got the rough end of the stick from people like you, because you obviously don't realise they spend most of their time in power trying to sort out the cr4p left by successive Labour governments. The good old socialist tax and overspend has never worked and will never work, and the sooner you accept that the better. Why not work a little harder, get more money and enjoy it rather than encourage left wing idiots to rip it out of the pockets of people who earn more than you. Socialism, the politics of envy.

The Tories overspend more than Labour, even when you don't include the "recovery" years after the 2008 economic collapse.
http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016 ... -70-years/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A similar thing happens in the US where the right-wing party advertises as the fiscally responcible party yet they're the ones who repeatedly **** things up through unpaid-for tax cuts, unpaid-for wars and all they do to mitigate the lost revenue is cut services for poor people and then tell their constituents everythings sorted.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:19 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I don't think you're thinking about how conservatives are made correctly. People don't change their principles, i think conservatives are created because liberals in the early 20s hold on to the same principles than in future are conservative principles relative to the year. I think that society is what changes, social progress is made, but their principles haven't moved.
For example, more old people than young people oppose gay marridge because they opposed it in their 20s, not because they supported it and changed their views as they got older, it was society that moved in that direction.

So yes, maybe today's liberals or lefties will become Tory voters in future, but only if society moves to the left enough to make their current views the right-wing views of 20, 30, or 40 years from now.

Edit: Corbyn's a pretty good example of what i'm trying to say, but in the opposite direction. Economically we've become more right-wing, but his views in the 70s were mainstream, perhaps center-left. But while his views haven't changed from what was mainstream centre-left back then is now called solidly left-wing, and even "far-left" by some wierdos.

I disagree.
I think liberals become Tories when they become succesfull enough in life to build their own future.
Deep down, they may still harbour thoughts of wanting to pay pay for everyone to go to uni. Work part time and still have a good income. Have lots of children and receive a large house, nearly free of charge, with free childcare etc. But once they are the ones who actually have to pay for it, whilst paying for their own home and childcare etc, they get a bit fed up of the free loaders and turn Tory

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:46 pm

Damo wrote:I disagree.
I think liberals become Tories when they become succesfull enough in life to build their own future.
Deep down, they may still harbour thoughts of wanting to pay pay for everyone to go to uni. Work part time and still have a good income. Have lots of children and receive a large house, nearly free of charge, with free childcare etc. But once they are the ones who actually have to pay for it, whilst paying for their own home and childcare etc, they get a bit fed up of the free loaders and turn Tory

The elderly are the "freeloaders". They're the ones who had free uni and then pulled the ladder up behind them by implementing fees and slashing public services from which they benefited, and then expected the young, who now have to pay for university themselves, to pay their pensions for them by working poorly paid jobs on zero hour contracts.

I don't think you appreciate how ****** over the youth actually are, and they have the internet now so they can see how much better their parents and grandparents had it in terms government-assisted-everything. They can compare nationalisation in france/germany with privatisation here and know that 14% of your average wage just to get to work by train is a ******* rip-off.

I think you're in for a long, drawn-out shock if you think the youth of today will embrace right-wing politics in any comparable rate to previous generations because right-wing policies have done nothing but **** them over their entire adult lives. And even if you were right, that people become Conservatives because they prosper, what prosperity is going to turn these people to the right? That's a fun little irony for you to weigh. People becoming prosperous turns them into Conservatives, yet Conservatives have been slashing the services that help the young become prosperous in return for short-term political power. Oops.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:59 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote: I think you're in for a long, drawn-out shock if you think the youth of today will embrace right-wing politics in any comparable rate to previous generations because right-wing policies have done nothing but **** them over their entire adult lives.

that can work both ways, Turtle. Influences on first time voter thinking
- family
- friends
- media sway
- but specifically to my assertion above, an attitude of "I've had to/are having to pay my own way, find my own income, pay my own bills - why should I allow freeloaders to benefit? And I know they're there - some are my friends, looking for ways to beat the system"

it's the generation of the selfish "mustn't allow for freeloaders" mentality that perpetuates younger generations voting conservatively, and unfortunately it does leave those less able to cope (as distinct from freeloaders) in the doo-doo.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:17 pm

BennyD wrote:I assume that you are having a rant at me, but I don't really care as you are still on my ignore list. So, you too can shove your socialist tendencies up your chuff. D!ckhead.

There, there, Benny lad, calm down. Nobody's ranting, just putting forward a different point of view. Perhaps that is ranting in your eyes.
Nice command of the English language to finish. My, my, you really are rattled by events.

One last point: if I'm on your "ignore" list - which suggests there's more than me but I'm still honoured, I'm sure - how come you didn't ?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:20 pm

NRC wrote:that can work both ways, Turtle. Influences on first time voter thinking
- family
- friends
- media sway
- but specifically to my assertion above, an attitude of "I've had to/are having to pay my own way, find my own income, pay my own bills - why should I allow freeloaders to benefit? And I know they're there - some are my friends, looking for ways to beat the system"

it's the generation of the selfish "mustn't allow for freeloaders" mentality that perpetuates younger generations voting conservatively, and unfortunately it does leave those less able to cope (as distinct from freeloaders) in the doo-doo.

Our parents and grandparents must have had different reasons for privatising everything and cutting services, because they were the "freeloaders" they claim to hate. But again, i don't think you appreciate how angry we are at our elders who have done everything they can to make sure we didn't enjoy the benefits that they enjoyed, and then have the nerve to say we've never had it so good. These same people who are privatising away everything they built before their children can inherit them are also the same arsehole who scream about inheritance tax being robbery. And now these ***** stand in our way when the young want to build their own socialist institutions and do forward-thinking things like protect themselves from having the atlantic ocean lapping at their feet in Burnley.

We have no respect for our elders any more, because their actions show they don't deserve it, so how many of us do you really think will follow in their footsteps by repeating their crimes against future generations by shifting to the right? We're the first generation to be less well-off than our parents and it's because of our parents. Sure, some of us learn how to be bad parents from our bad parents, but i think most of us try to avoid their mistakes and i expect that to be true of our stewardship of the country.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:50 pm

One of your more skilfully crafted casts that one Turtle. Unless of course you actually believe it, in which case you have my deepest sympathies as your upbringing seems to have scarred you terribly.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:09 pm

Is that the best rebuttal you can come up with?

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:48 pm

Jeff Wells .."Of course Russia preferred Trump. But it was a leak, not a hack."

Intel Vets Challenge ‘Russia Hack’ Evidence

"....After examining metadata from the “Guccifer 2.0” July 5, 2016 intrusion into the DNC server, independent cyber investigators have concluded that an insider copied DNC data onto an external storage device, and that “telltale signs” implicating Russia were then inserted.

Key among the findings of the independent forensic investigations is the conclusion that the DNC data was copied onto a storage device at a speed that far exceeds an Internet capability for a remote hack. Of equal importance, the forensics show that the copying and doctoring were performed on the East coast of the U.S. Thus far, mainstream media have ignored the findings of these independent studies...."

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/i ... -evidence/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PS...Getting rid off Trident would help free up a few £ for Education, etc.

1....The waste of £475 Billion spent on Quantitative Easing could have been avoided.

http://positivemoney.org/2014/06/waste- ... ing-video/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

2....Read it and weep: QE, the largest transfer of wealth in history Dan Glazebrook

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/397197-quant ... ney-banks/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

3....The Finance Curse...

"For many years, we’ve been told that finance is good and more finance is better. But it doesn’t seem everyone in the UK is sharing the benefits. On this program, we ask a very simple question – can a country suffer from a finance curse?

Host Ross Ashcroft is joined by City veteran David Buik and the man who coined the term Quantitative Easing, International Banking and Finance Professor Richard Werner."

https://www.rt.com/shows/renegade-inc/3 ... se-suffer/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

or

Prof. Werner brilliantly explains how the banking system and financial sector really work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC0G7pY4wRE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:34 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Our parents and grandparents must have had different reasons for privatising everything and cutting services, because they were the "freeloaders" they claim to hate. But again, i don't think you appreciate how angry we are at our elders who have done everything they can to make sure we didn't enjoy the benefits that they enjoyed, and then have the nerve to say we've never had it so good. These same people who are privatising away everything they built before their children can inherit them are also the same arsehole who scream about inheritance tax being robbery. And now these ***** stand in our way when the young want to build their own socialist institutions and do forward-thinking things like protect themselves from having the atlantic ocean lapping at their feet in Burnley.

We have no respect for our elders any more, because their actions show they don't deserve it, so how many of us do you really think will follow in their footsteps by repeating their crimes against future generations by shifting to the right? We're the first generation to be less well-off than our parents and it's because of our parents. Sure, some of us learn how to be bad parents from our bad parents, but i think most of us try to avoid their mistakes and i expect that to be true of our stewardship of the country.

Did someone not get the latest PS - DS - ONE BOX game off mummy?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:06 am

He makes a good point though.

Whether we like it or not (or more importantly, whether they like it or not) the generation that had everything hasn't left a right lot left for the youngsters coming through, and they are unlikely to forget it.

I don't think the country needs yet another divide but we have one.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:50 am

It's been a bad night for poor old Donald. Hopefully someone whisks him away to the golf course today so he can have a good old temper tantrum without causing too much damage to the rest of the world.

John McCain is a decent guy and I'm glad he did the right thing.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:00 am

JohnMcGreal wrote:It's been a bad night for poor old Donald. Hopefully someone whisks him away to the golf course today so he can have a good old temper tantrum without causing too much damage to the rest of the world.

John McCain is a decent guy and I'm glad he did the right thing.

It was ridiculous. There were GOP senators who voted for it but openly called it "a fraud" and were begging Paul Ryan to guarentee that the bill would be changed in the House. All because, presumably, they didn't want the 'No' vote on their records, or because they were scared of Mitch McConnell. The ***** are ******* cowards.

Also, one of Trump's cabinet appointments might be going to prison for abuse of power after he threatened Alaska with political retribution after one of its GOP senators voted against the motion to proceed on Wednesday night.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:20 am

Jimmy Kimmel's show had fun with the ignorance of Americans regarding the ACA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx2scvIFGjE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6m7pWEMPlA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:50 pm

The youngsters coming through won't want to pay for people to sit around. That's one thing that won't change.
Hopefully they will eventually see What a total mess the last Labour government left us in
Obviously I mean the studious types. Not the people who just want to be provided for

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:57 pm

The yoof will change their mind when they have to pay a mortgage, council tax and bills, i know i did, i've not always been to the right of Attila the Hun you know

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:03 pm

Damo wrote:The youngsters coming through won't want to pay for people to sit around. That's one thing that won't change.
Hopefully they will eventually see What a total mess the last Labour government left us in
Obviously I mean the studious types. Not the people who just want to be provided for

£160 bn/year in pensions. £2.3 bn/year in unemployment benefits. I think the youth know who is the biggest burden on society is and it's not the unemployed. And there's something sick about the former telling the latter that they cost too much.

And what makes you think that when those youths finally get the zero hour contract job of their dreams do you think they'll suddenly turn around, and vote for the people who want to make sure that when they're back to being unemployed they're going to be too poor to eat and look for work at the same time?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:13 pm

Now he's encouraging police brutality.

https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/ ... 7017415685" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As a joke that would be pretty funny, but Trump's problem is that he thinks people are applauding it because it's a good idea. He could easily have said "of course i'm kidding, don't get yourselves sued" then everything would be good and he made a perfectly good joke. But he turns around, soaks up the applause because he's too stupid to understand that they found it funny, not smart.
So instead of making a relateable joke he's crossed the line, as he always goes.

Will be interesting to see who's liable for damages the next time a copper bangs a suspects head on a door frame and says "The president told me to take my hand away".

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:15 am

With the Trump show derailing and Brexit hitting the skids it's been a good week.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:06 pm

The world is falling apart owing to the people making two very bad decisions.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:07 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:£160 bn/year in pensions. £2.3 bn/year in unemployment benefits. I think the youth know who is the biggest burden on society is and it's not the unemployed. And there's something sick about the former telling the latter that they cost too much.

And what makes you think that when those youths finally get the zero hour contract job of their dreams do you think they'll suddenly turn around, and vote for the people who want to make sure that when they're back to being unemployed they're going to be too poor to eat and look for work at the same time?

Casually missing out all the extra benefits people get there like housing benefits and family benefits (for having tons of kids). Not to mention wage top ups for those who refuse to work more than a few hours a week. Pensioners paid into the system their entire lives, only liberal **** could shame them for wanting to live comfortably after that whilst sanctifying those who have never done anything but take.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:56 pm

IanMcL wrote:The world is falling apart owing to the people making two very bad decisions.

You should be a comedian. Just because you picked the wrong side twice doesn't mean they were both wrong decisions. I agree, Trump is a c*nt, but it gave the established American political hierarchy a massive kick up the chuff, which was justified and overdue. Brexit was the right decision and time will prove it, despite what you say.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:05 pm

Sadly, BennyD...I know you are wrong. To continue to export to Europe, in any form, we will have to meet their rules, so we have shot ourselves in the foot, big time, for no gain at all.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:26 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Casually missing out all the extra benefits people get there like housing benefits and family benefits (for having tons of kids). Not to mention wage top ups for those who refuse to work more than a few hours a week. Pensioners paid into the system their entire lives, only liberal **** could shame them for wanting to live comfortably after that whilst sanctifying those who have never done anything but take.

Liberal **** (sc*m?) now, are we? Your graduation towards Stormfront Grand Wizard is progressing nicely, I see.

And where have i shamed anyone for wanting to live comfortably? I'm shaming people who are hypocrites. In billions, Children and family = 15.7 Unemployment = 2.7, Housing = 4.0. Pensions for old age = 109.08

I've no problem with people in their latter years living off taxpayer money, whether they worked their whole life or not, I don't care about that. But what i do care about is when those people start telling everyone else that they are costing too much money while for decades their welfare payments have been protected. I think if we started cutting pensions at the same rate we cut other benefits we'd see a lot more old people concerned about the well-being of the young. Just look at the outrage they generated when May tried to peel away just one of the protections.

And i find it hilarious that you will assume a pensioner has worked his or her whole life (based on no evidence at all) purely because of their age, yet assume someone who is unemployed has always been unemployed, or that someone receiving child benefits isn't also working, or that someone receiving housing benefits isn't just working a job that doesn't pay well enough to afford food and shelter at the same time. Why is it the people's fault that they're not earning enough and never the fault of companies who don't pay enough? And if it's always the peoples' fault then why isn't it the pensioners' fault that they have to rely on pensions for the end of their life when they had worked all of it, according to you? I mean if they've worked their whole lives haven't they had ample time and money to save up for their retirement?

I'm not saying we should cut pensions, i'm saying we should cut benefits for poor people. And that people who are also poor enough to have to rely on welfare to put food on their table shouldn't be villifying the young who are the people actually paying for that food and instead direct their anger towards the companies that those young people work for because those companies paying low wages are having their wage bill subsised by the state, and their tax avoidance and evasion costs the state more than Unemployment, Housing and Family & Child benefits combined.

But the elderly Daily Mail reading Tory voters don't hear this because they're too ignorant or stubborn to actually think about the absurdity that Tesco, Asda, Amazon, etc. can make billions in profits every year while their employees have to rely on the government to make sure they don't starve, and then have to put up with pieces of **** like you telling them that they are a drain on society.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 5:13 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Casually missing out all the extra benefits people get there like housing benefits and family benefits (for having tons of kids). Not to mention wage top ups for those who refuse to work more than a few hours a week.

Housing benefit is of little use to a family, it just ends up in the bank account of the landlord. It's basically a license to increase rent to ridiculous levels safe in the knowledge that the taxpayer will pick up the tab. A landlords dream.

Family benefit for having children has been around in some form or another since the turn of the last century, so your hard-working, self-sufficient pensioners will have benefitted from that when they were starting their families several decades ago.

Tax credits, like housing benefit, are another sham. It's just one more method of diverting taxpayers' money into the hands of private capital. Employers don't need to pay their staff a decent wage that they can actually live on. They can just pay them the minimum required by law and let the taxpayer top up their income instead. Also, how many people really refuse to work more than a few hours a week? How many people want to work more hours but are unable to due to unstable and insecure zero-hours contracts?

You seem to be angry about these issues, but instead of directing that anger at the political and economic system which encourages them, you're directing it at the people who are essentially helpless, and have no choice but to do the best they can in an economy that's rigged against them.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 6:19 pm

Liberal **** (sc*m?) now, are we? Your graduation towards Stormfront Grand Wizard is progressing nicely, I see.

Nice try but I enjoy triggering those morons as much, if not more so than the SJW crowd.

I'm not saying we should cut pensions, i'm saying we should cut benefits for poor people. And that people who are also poor enough to have to rely on welfare to put food on their table shouldn't be villifying the young who are the people actually paying for that food and instead direct their anger towards the companies that those young people work for because those companies paying low wages are having their wage bill subsised by the state, and their tax avoidance and evasion costs the state more than Unemployment, Housing and Family & Child benefits

Nobody vilifies the young, this is just a fantasy cooked up in their self-absorbed heads because they are occasionally met with a disgruntled retort by older generations who are sick of being constantly told by them that "they have everything given to them" or that "they are stealing their future". The young people today in the UK are blaming all of their problems on the generations that built for them what they have. It's also funny how you claim the young are the ones paying for the old, yet in the same sentence claim they are suffering on low wages. It's the 35-55 year olds that are paying the bulk into the pot for pensions, not your whiny 20 something who is working 16 hours a week at KFC.

But the elderly Daily Mail reading Tory voters don't hear this because they're too ignorant or stubborn to actually think about the absurdity that Tesco, Asda, Amazon, etc. can make billions in profits every year while their employees have to rely on the government to make sure they don't starve, and then have to put up with pieces of **** like you telling them that they are a drain on society.

You see, I have actually spent the last 5 years of my life working for a retailer and you are right, they do plead poverty and rip off their workforce whilst simultaneously making millions in profits. But that's not through low wages, that's through bad contracts with low job security. You can easily live off £7.50 - £8.00 an hour at 40 hours a week if you live within your means, I managed for 5 years. Moving away from that though, my point is many of those people in those jobs are happy to not work, and I know this because I have seen it myself. They will literally refuse to work extra hours or take bigger contracts because they do not want to take a hit on their government assistance, how on earth is that productive? You can't incentive people to NOT work. I never call people on low wages or in bad employment situations a drain on society, ****, I was one of them for the last 8 years. I do however call those who can, but refuse to work, or refuse to try and contribute whilst simultaneously treating the government as a cash cow a drain because that is what they are in my opinion.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 6:25 pm

back on subject, it's mildly amusing when seeing those who voted for trump being interviewed. you can tell deep down they know they've voted for a cretin but they just can't bring themselves to admit it.

squirming so much you want to bite your fist.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 6:29 pm

yTib wrote:back on subject, it's mildly amusing when seeing those who voted for trump being interviewed. you can tell deep down they know they've voted for a cretin but they just can't bring themselves to admit it.

squirming so much you want to bite your fist.

That's funny, I would thought people who voted Hilary would feel the same by all logic but their overwhelming sense of pseudo-virtue and pompous ignorance wouldn't allow for it.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:09 pm

yeah but hilary isn't president. trump is and he's achieved zilch.

if you can't see that he is a literal trump i pity you.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:26 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:
, this is just a fantasy cooked up in their self-absorbed heads because they are occasionally met with a disgruntled retort by older generations who are sick of being constantly told by them that "they have everything given to them" or that "they are stealing their future". The young people today in the UK are blaming all of their problems on the generations that built for them what they have. ...

Oh **** off. Built for them what they have? The old are busy dismantling everything they and previous generations built and telling the young "go **** yourselves" when we complain about it.
And the old aren't constantly being told that at all. What they're being told is "don't strip away all the things that gave you a leg-up when you were our age" and the old are replying with, well i think i've just told you.

The old really are looting the future. The rest of us, the young (and i suppose i should have been more clear when i say the young are paying for these pensions, i actually just mean people who work) are paying into their pension pots while they are simultaniously making the world so that when we're their age we are ******. They were able to afford their houses which have helped provide for them in their later year, while also taking a state pension, but we can't afford our houses because those people keep voting in neo-liberal governments who allow corporations to get away with not paying wages that make living here affordable while at the same time not paying the taxes that makes their low wages affordable to the government who have to subsidise them.

What the elderly are doing to their childrens' and grandchildrens' generations is absolutely sickening, and if you want to talk about something that is destroying this country, look at what they're going to its future.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:30 pm

The old really are looting the future.

brexit in a nutshell.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:52 pm

**** sake. Every year we're subsidising the most profitable industry in the history of the world with more than twice as much money as we we pay in unemployment benefits. The most profitable industry ever! But it's the unemployed who we can't afford, not the subsidies to companies that together make hundreds of billions in tax avoided profits every year while also polluting our planet so much that without costly taxpayer intervention would become uninhabitable for most of us.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:25 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Oh **** off. Built for them what they have? The old are busy dismantling everything they and previous generations built and telling the young "go **** yourselves" when we complain about it.
And the old aren't constantly being told that at all. What they're being told is "don't strip away all the things that gave you a leg-up when you were our age" and the old are replying with, well i think i've just told you.

Just out of curiosity, how old are you? Because I always thought you were at least 10 years older than me.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:28 pm

Spend less time being curious about other peoples age and more time being curious about who is paying our politicians to peddle the idea that it's unemployment benefits we can't afford and not other things we pay for for no good reason.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:37 pm

BennyD wrote:Brexit was the right decision and time will prove it, despite what you say.

Time will destroy it, there won't be a Brexit.

This week news was leaked that there'll be a transition period of at least a couple of years and then there'll be a vote in Parliament on the final outcome. By then the political landscape will have changed sufficiently to kick it out.
Only ignorant, stupid people voted for Brexit but being a democracy we have to play along for a while until the clever ones can fix it.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:45 pm

BennyD wrote: Brexit was the right decision and time will prove it

Cool. How will time prove it? At what point in the future will Brexit be proven to be correct? Describe to me what that looks like.
And what is the upper limit in terms of time for this proof to exist? When can we say Brexit is a failure if these conditions you're going to describe haven't occured yet?

If you can answer any of these questions then you should get in touch with the Conservative party because you would have more of an idea about Brexit than any of those clowns tryingt o make it happen.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:46 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote: Only ignorant, stupid people voted for Brexit...

Only ignorant, stupid people would say that.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:50 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Cool. How will time prove it? At what point in the future will Brexit be proven to be correct? Describe to me what that looks like.
And what is the upper limit in terms of time for this proof to exist? When can we say Brexit is a failure if these conditions you're going to describe haven't occured yet?

If you can answer any of these questions then you should get in touch with the Conservative party because you would have more of an idea about Brexit than any of those clowns tryingt o make it happen.

So, Mr Turtle, explain to me why Brexit is going to be a failure whilst meeting the same criteria you laid down for me.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:51 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:Time will destroy it, there won't be a Brexit.

This week news was leaked that there'll be a transition period of at least a couple of years and then there'll be a vote in Parliament on the final outcome. By then the political landscape will have changed sufficiently to kick it out.
Only ignorant, stupid people voted for Brexit but being a democracy we have to play along for a while until the clever ones can fix it.

You supercilious prick. That is all.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:51 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Only ignorant, stupid people would say that.

Sorry to have to spell it out but unfortunately it's true, the vote was like an intelligence test which the leave voters failed.

Ask anyone why they voted for Brexit and the answers will be either..

a: ignorant

b. stupid

c: both

The intelligent choice was to remain, not leave.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:52 pm

BennyD wrote:So, Mr Turtle, explain to me why Brexit is going to be a failure whilst meeting the same criteria you laid down for me.

I'm not the one who said it will be proven a failure. I only think it will be a failure.
You were quite clear that it will be proven a success, which means this success will be measurable. I'd just like to know from you what those measurements will look like.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:56 pm

These things do happen though so if you were daft enough to vote for Brexit here are some other stupid decisions to console you...

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Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:01 pm

It was an ignorant, stupid decision, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was made by ignorant, stupid people. But i'm quite sure more ignorant, stupid people voted for Brexit than against it. Even more so Trump.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:04 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:Sorry to have to spell it out but unfortunately it's true, the vote was like an intelligence test which the leave voters failed.

Ask anyone why they voted for Brexit and the answers will be either..

a: ignorant

b. stupid

c: both

The intelligent choice was to remain, not leave.

Not a bad attempt. You forgot the word "uneducated" though; and a little bit of "bigoted" never hurts a good remain troll post either.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:15 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:It was an ignorant, stupid decision, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was made by ignorant, stupid people.

Yes it does, 2 + 2 = 4.

Don't worry, sense will prevail, Brexit simply won't come to fruition.

Remember, Coca Cola once changed its flavour. These things do happen from time to time, like Tulip Fever.

Eventually the population wakes up and the whole matter is consigned to those pages of the history books where the idiots briefly win out.

For example, "The Emperor’s New Clothes" was first published with "The Little Mermaid" in Copenhagen, by C. A. Reitzel, on 7 April 1837. It didn't come from nowhere, the idea that the population is gullible enough to be, in whole or in part, manipulated into believing something utterly stupid is as old as human folly.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:21 pm

brexit will happen.

i voted remain but i think we should honour the referendum. most remainers i speak to feel that way.

it will not be in our interest, particularly in the short term but the sky won't fall down.

sometimes in life you get what you deserve.