That Penalty then?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:55 pm

TVC15 wrote:WTF are you talking about ? - I have seen the replay lots of times and he dives forward - you can replace the word dive with jump if you wish but either way it is intentional and not natural.

Oh for ***** sakes. Someone said he jumped. He didn't jump. I'm explaining how he can prove to himself that he didn't jump. No one's arguing that he didn't go down like he was shot in the back. If you're going to criticise what someone says then at least get right what it is they've said, or you'll look like an idiot.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:18 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Oh for ***** sakes. Someone said he jumped. He didn't jump. I'm explaining how he can prove to himself that he didn't jump. No one's arguing that he didn't go down like he was shot in the back. If you're going to criticise what someone says then at least get right what it is they've said, or you'll look like an idiot.

He did jump you f'in idiot - he jumped forward. He launched himself. You admit yourself he dived / cheated - going down like he was "shot in the back" as you said means his dive was simulated.

The only idiot on this thread (and many other threads) is you. Fu-cking embarrassment.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:28 pm

I'm watching Real Sociedad v Espanyol on sky sports mix, 23 minutes in there should have been over 700 free kicks.The amount of times these players are touching each other is insane.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:34 pm

I have looked at it a few times now, and I can't work out how the ref can be 100% sure that Pope doesn't get his hands to the ball before that cheating little prick nicks it away

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:42 pm

TVC15 wrote:He did jump you f'in idiot - he jumped forward. He launched himself. You admit yourself he dived / cheated - going down like he was "shot in the back" as you said means his dive was simulated.

The only idiot on this thread (and many other threads) is you. Fu-cking embarrassment.

Just because he went down theatrically doesn't mean he wasn't fouled. You can see how he was fouled. Just like we can see that Wood was fouled by Hart. It's so ******* obvious when you review the replay that anyone who can point to Pope clattering his right foot with such force that it bends it unnaturally and then say "that's not a foul" is obviously either stupid or incapable of viewing it objectively. I suspect you're both.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:47 pm

boatshed bill wrote:I have looked at it a few times now, and I can't work out how the ref can be 100% sure that Pope doesn't get his hands to the ball before that cheating little prick nicks it away

I laughed, watching it in real time, I soon had the smile wiped off my face when he gave it.

If I'd have had a shotgun and the referee was stood in front of me at that moment, i'd have blown his head off.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:47 pm

boatshed bill wrote:I have looked at it a few times now, and I can't work out how the ref can be 100% sure that Pope doesn't get his hands to the ball before that cheating little prick nicks it away

Me neither. In fact i'd be surprised if the referee saw the actual foul.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:48 pm

Diesel wrote:I laughed, watching it in real time, I soon had the smile wiped off my face when he gave it.

If I'd have had a shotgun and the referee was stood in front of me at that moment, i'd have blown his head off.

Seek help.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:19 pm

Its no more a penalty than Arfields who was clipped on the heel. Like i said earlier - its thw consistency thats missing.

Silva dives. Clearly dives. For him to go down in tje way je did Pope would have to really follow through. He doesnt.

levraiclaret · Post by **levraiclaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:22 pm

Seek IT, the ref just made a mistake, he should have awarded the pen and sent Bernie off for diving and simulation. The panel got it wrong, a player can be touched and still dive. That is what Silva did and football will be the poorer for it. IT endorses that, but he is not a football fan. IMO

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:31 pm

Mala591 wrote:It was a foul followed by a dive. Penalty decision was correct but the ref should have booked their player for diving.
Yes, it does sound stupid but that is what actually happened.

Completely agree with this, he's simulated - no doubt about it - but it’s also a penalty.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:41 pm

Football is becoming a fantastic game for puffs. Stand up and play, you big girl's blouse.

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:50 pm

Diesel wrote:I laughed, watching it in real time, I soon had the smile wiped off my face when he gave it.

My reaction exactly, real time I couldn’t believe that he had given it!!

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:06 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Just because he went down theatrically doesn't mean he wasn't fouled. You can see how he was fouled. Just like we can see that Wood was fouled by Hart. It's so ******* obvious when you review the replay that anyone who can point to Pope clattering his right foot with such force that it bends it unnaturally and then say "that's not a foul" is obviously either stupid or incapable of viewing it objectively. I suspect you're both.

If it's so f'in obvious why are you in the minority you arrogant pr-ick ?

There you go using that word "clattering" again - pathetic.

Tell me since you think you have worked everything out you sad c-unt why would Silva bother going down theatrically if he had been as you say clattered ?

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:09 pm

He didn't dive to deceive the ref to get a decision that shouldn't be given

He made the most of the contact to get the decision that should be given by law of the game

There's a huge difference

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:12 pm

TVC15 wrote:If it's so f'in obvious why are you in the minority you arrogant pr-ick ?

There you go using that word "clattering" again - pathetic.

Tell me since you think you have worked everything out you sad c-unt why would Silva bother going down theatrically if he had been as you say clattered ?

Because he's an idiot. A bit like you.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:15 pm

why do you resort to insulting anyone who disagrees with you, charlie?

you are in your 30s no?

and you still live with your parents.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:16 pm

When all's said and done, if we all agree that it was a penalty (because it obviously was given as one) it only goes to show the depths to which the "beautiful game" has fallen.
I've been sick of it for several years now, and really can't see how it will improve.
We, the supporters, are being robbed by millionaires.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:21 pm

yTib wrote:why do you resort to insulting anyone who disagrees with you, charlie?

you are in your 30s no?

and you still live with your parents.

He called me an "arrogant prick" and a "c*nt". But i'm the one who was trying to insult him?
And didn't you call me a weakling for using an emoticon?

Also...

yTib wrote:
you are not only awfully narcissistic you are a coward.

yTib wrote:emoticons are the tool of the weakling.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:29 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:He called me an "arrogant prick" and a "c*nt". But i'm the one who was trying to insult him?
And didn't you call me a weakling for using an emoticon?

Also...

where did i call you a cwunt?

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:30 pm

and you do live with your parents.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:38 pm

yTib wrote:where did i call you a cwunt?

You're having problems with reading today, aren't you? Maybe i was wrong about why you wanted a one-word answer.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:05 pm

It was me who called him a c-unt....I apologise as I forgot to add the words thick and stupid.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:15 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:He doesn't jump. Look for yourself. If he jumped off his standing foot his knee would go up, along with the rest of his body, right? What I object to is him going down like he was shot in the back.

seen it plenty of times thanks but even your link shows him spring himself forward off his apparently 'trapped' leg.

as i've said, if pope had hit him with any more force than a bit of a tap, he wouldn't have gone down like he did - he wouldn't have been able to.

anyway, its gone now. i don't even think it would have affected the result, i think city would have found a way through eventually. its just a shame that an obviously good player has to resort to crap like that.

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:27 am

Not read all of the six pages, but my thoughts are all about his left leg and foot as I watch it, if he didn't expect to make any contact with Pope why is that leg and foot not attempting to be planted on the ground and is airbourne ready to make the leap into the air? On the continent from an early age they know and learn how to win a penalty and certainly Chris Wood could have helped his cause by grasping his ankle after going down from Harts challenge, Arfield attempted to show there was contact badly (obviously missed the continental course on getting penalties!). I think Silva won the penalty because he knows how to win a penalty.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:35 am

I agree with vinrogue above. Pope actually tries to pull out at the last second imo as he realises he's risking catching Silva and can't get to the ball, but Silva makes sure Pope can't avoid contact altogether by putting his foot in a somewhat unnatural place where he's almost bound to catch it, however lightly, because he's already decided he's going down, no matter what!

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:37 am

vinrogue wrote:Not read all of the six pages, but my thoughts are all about his left leg and foot as I watch it, if he didn't expect to make any contact with Pope why is that leg and foot not attempting to be planted on the ground and is airbourne ready to make the leap into the air?

Because he's lunging with his right to get a toe on the ball. Completely natural movement.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:46 am

Dyched wrote:He made the most of the contact to get the decision that should be given by law of the game

Point me at the law of the game that says it should have been a penalty - because I say it isn't there. The nearest is the one about tripping, but we've already established that Silva wasn't tripped, he dived. What Pope did was only a foul if he tripped Silva, not if he touched Silva and Silva dived.

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:48 am

I would be interested to know if footballers actually practice getting penalties, the lengths players go to by getting in unnatural position is getting ludicrous.
We can argue till the cows come home but in my opinion that was never a penalty, every time the goalie goes to ground and touches a player and doesn't claim the ball cleanly a penalty shouldn't arise.
Silva clearly conned the ref, just because pope slightly touched him doesn't alter the fact.
The panel were never going to ban him because of the touch, and because he plays for city.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:18 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:I don't think Hart got anything on the ball.

You haven't seen the clip where he knocks it away with his elbow then?

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