Everton move for Dyche

northeastclaret · Post by **northeastclaret** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:11 am

Its a little ironic what Nixon's saying when he did something similar to get Burnley interested in Coyle.

Disappointing though if what he is saying is true .

If Dyche was to leave now we would almost certainly be relegated. So much of what Dyche has achieved would unravel because he would leave such a massive gap because him and his team are rightly in control of all the footballing decisions and the players worship him.

We are not yet an established premier team and therefore there is a massive difference between leaving now and the end of the season. If he was to leave then I would believe he is a man of dignity if he left now he is showing himself ultimately to have the same lack of integrity as Coyle but obviously far more talent.

Is it correct if he did leave for Everton now, this would be the first manager since Coyle to move directly from one premier league team to another during the season, if so that is disrespect all round and he would sadly not be the man I like to think he is?

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:14 am

Top Claret wrote:I don't think he wants out. If he thinks the board are comfortable in the position we are in, then he might feel to further his ambitions at Burnley, he needs to pull a few strings and give the chairman a shake.

He doesn't strike me as the type of man to do things in such an indirect manner. I expect if he thinks we should be spending more money or wants a pay rise, he'd go and speak to the board directly.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:20 am

northeastclaret wrote:If Dyche was to leave now we would almost certainly be relegated.

Why? Swansea seem to get by changing managers every few months are still in the Prem.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:22 am

It could all be a masterplan by SD to be given greater financial backing in January, and who could blame him? We're running at 1.6 points a game. Stretch that out over a season and you're talking about a 60 point season, and given we've 11 more games before the transfer window, potentially 34 points by then!!

If that unlikely scenario came to fruition I'd expect us to strike while the iron is hot, so to speak, and strengthen when we're at our strongest. We still need another CB and another winger in my opinion. If we're virtually safe by January you'd expect to be able to attract a serious calibre of player in the window. Sean wants to take us up a level and he deserves the backing to make that happen!

KlyBfc · Post by **KlyBfc** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:26 am

I am by no means an expert on agents and the finer workings of player/manager movement, however a good friend of mines Dad is involved (well was until Tuesday evening, now he’s in limbo) involved in transfers and scouting within the professional game. He says that pretty much daily people contact him saying they can get .... so and so it his club and for this much money. They aren’t normally the players agent but someone who wants to be Involved / get a slice of the pie and so almost become another party / deal broker. This could well be what’s going on with sky and dyche with someone desperate to earn some money out of him / his actual agent and be involved in a deal.

Obviously pure speculation.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:29 am

Sean Dyche as been linked with loads of jobs whilst he's been at Turf Moor and not one of them links as asked for permission to speak to Sean Dyche yet let alone offer him a job. He must have a pretty shite agent when it comes to promoting his client who wants out !!

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:32 am

The money to spend argument was clear in the past, but not today. We are making PROFIT hand over fist, due to our inability to convince certain targets that we are a premiership team. Safety this season, and the money in the bank would allow us to compete on a level playing field with everyone outside the top 10 spenders.
As for wages, Mike Garlic isn't thick. If Sean wants a pay rise all he has to do is ask. I understood that the club have been trying to get him to sign a new contract instead of his rolling contract for a long time, long before any Everton interest.

Just as the importance of comedy is timing, so too can the success of football management. This is a bad time to be joining Everton.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:35 am

FFS Sean Dyche is linked to jobs because he's performing a minor miracle at an unfashionable club not because his agent his sifting through his ******* contact list. Nixon is a complete bell end..

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:46 am

So not only do we have incorrectly stated thread title, which suggests it's as fact that Everton have moved in for Dyche, we now have a source telling us Dyche wants out, another that it's Dyche's agent putting his name about because Dyche wants an improved contract and/or a bigger budget, and another source saying Everton don't actually want him, any way.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:53 am

TBH I am getting sick and tired of this wonderful opportunity sh!te being spouted about Everton. If Dyche leaves there will be a list of managers apply for the job who will know that Burnley is a proper wonderful opportunity to work for a board of supporters who give them time,support,freedom and little or no pressure. The job market is full of managers who left a club for a wonderful opportunity and regreted it as their career and stature diminished. David Moyes being a classic.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:34 am

One only has to look at oddschecker to see the amount of top managers currently out of a job. The fact of the matter is that Dyche never needs to work again, he's already minted enough to say goodbye and put his feet up. As such, there really isn't any actual pressure upon him.

He may like the idea of taking on Everton as a project, regarding stadium development etc., like the development of BFC, but the difference is that the expectation level at Everton won't give him as much space to be and if it fails he may never be a PL manager again, like quite few others.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:49 am

I'm at the point now that If he goes he goes. We've been here longer than him and will be here long after he's gone. We'll be reyt. We're Burnley

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:49 am

Pstotto wrote:The fact of the matter is that Dyche never needs to work again, he's already minted enough to say goodbye and put his feet up. As such, there really isn't any actual pressure upon him.

I don't think that's how it works though otherwise you wouldn't have players forcing moves to get higher pay, when they don't need to work again. Players and managers still want to earn more than they're currently on, regardless of how minted they are. Football is a greedy business.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:55 am

Getting rather suspicious how hard Sky is trying to move Sean. Ray Wilkins has just said he'd definitely take it.
They're all firmly on message. Tossers.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:13 pm

Guich wrote:Getting rather suspicious how hard Sky is trying to move Sean. Ray Wilkins has just said he'd definitely take it.
They're all firmly on message. Tossers.

Just glad he has stayed sober long enough to express an opinion.
I am though getting a bit narked that Dyche hasn't categorically state he isn't interested I don't think he is doing himself any favours now. I hope he stays but if he does and we go on a poor run further down the line I bet he would like the board to categorically state he won't be sacked.

Kevwando · Post by **Kevwando** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:20 pm

Allardyce is now favourite on betfair, even tho latest rumours are that Allardyce doesn’t fancy the job.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:21 pm

Anyone who thinks we will sack Sean Dyche isn't really paying any attention.

I get that as fans we should be annoyed that he's not signing a ten year contract and kissing the badge, but as normal, functioning human beings its not a massive leap to see him leaving for the Everton job.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:28 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Anyone who thinks we will sack Sean Dyche isn't really paying any attention.

I get that as fans we should be annoyed that he's not signing a ten year contract and kissing the badge, but as normal, functioning human beings its not a massive leap to see him leaving for the Everton job.

It is called planning. All he has to say is that if he ever leaves Burnley it will be at the end of a season. I never said we will sack him just that a statement saying we won't clears the air and we can plan. The media circus can then bug another team.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:32 pm

I'm sure our board are planning for that btw

If he doesn't get it, or even more amazingly isn't even considered for it, then he's not going to be leaving us anytime soon.

Even if he does go, then he'll go with the thanks for the five incredibly years he has given us.

Culmclaret · Post by **Culmclaret** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:38 pm

The last manager to get Everton relegated came from Burnley.....

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:45 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Even if he does go, then he'll go with the thanks for the five incredibly years he has given us.

not from me - if he goes now and the result is a weaker Burnley Football Club because of leaving mid season I'll hold him in the same regard as Coyle. I have said before, and I say again - should he want to leave with integrity and minimise the impact on my club, then plan to go close season.

If he really wants to leave (which I dont think he does, at least not as Nixon is reporting), then resign in the summer and wait for job offers as they will come.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:14 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:not from me - if he goes now and the result is a weaker Burnley Football Club because of leaving mid season I'll hold him in the same regard as Coyle.

No, just no.

If he left this week he'd be leaving Burnley in the best shape it's possibly ever been in.

Managers don't have crystal balls, they can't just sit around in the summer waiting for their perfect job to come up.

I still find it incredible that some still think it's because Coyle left mid season and not the way he left which left the bad taste.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:23 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:No, just no.

If he left this week he'd be leaving Burnley in the best shape it's possibly ever been in.

Managers don't have crystal balls, they can't just sit around in the summer waiting for their perfect job to come up.

I still find it incredible that some still think it's because Coyle left mid season and not the way he left which left the bad taste.

I am entitled to my opinion as are you.

Yes, to me it was because Coyle left mid season AND the way he left - if Dyche leaves now he will certainly lose a degree of credibility if he does because it goes against his own values.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:25 pm

Which ones?

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:28 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:If Dyche leaves now he will certainly lose a degree of credibility

Not in my eyes.

As with most others, apart from ABC and KRBFC, I'll be disappointed but it does not resemble the Judas departure in any way.

And, we'll have the money to bring in someone with better credentials than BL.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:35 pm

Worth saying as well, but as soon as Coyle left, anything that happened after that could and should have been prevented, rather than blaming somebody for leaving.

That won't be happening this time because we've all learnt from that.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:36 pm

I think if Dyche wants a pay rise he’s in a strong enough position to just ask for one. Garlick is smart enough to know who is prized asset is. Also strange that Nixon is touting a view that the speculation is being created by SDs representatives at the same time as a colleague of his is reporting that Everton are about to make a move.

The longer this goes on, the more confident I am that he will stay. Surely if he is he man they want they’d have made an approach by now?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:39 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:anything that happened after that could and should have been prevented, rather than blaming somebody for leaving.

No it couldn't. We were almost bound to be relegated. You only have to look at teams like Boro, bigger than us, yet couldn't get anyone to manage them once Aitor Karanka was sacked.

maidenover · Post by **maidenover** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:40 pm

I'm sure Dyche would have "had a word" with Michael Keane about staying through the season before leaving to go on to better things. I hope our board have,

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:42 pm

bfcjg wrote:Just glad he has stayed sober long enough to express an opinion.
I am though getting a bit narked that Dyche hasn't categorically state he isn't interested I don't think he is doing himself any favours now. I hope he stays but if he does and we go on a poor run further down the line I bet he would like the board to categorically state he won't be sacked.

He has absolutely no need to state his interest in any Everyon move to you, me or anyone else (apart from his wife). He is happy doing his present job and if/when he decides to move on he will advise those that need to know and we will find out in due course. If we do go on a bad run later in the season he won't be sacked, end of. The board knows that, he knows that and anybody with any sense knows that. Therefore, stay calm, carry on, have a beer tonight and wait for Saturday. Whatever will be, will be.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:42 pm

If we'd spent as much time in blaming Coyle for everything* as actually looking for a decent, long term replacement, we don't know what would have happened.

Yes, Coyle was a ****, but as soon as he left the building the problems he left became our problems, and we didn't do enough to sort them.

All old ground now, and I think everyone concerned knows what not to do this time.

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:44 pm

Spijed wrote:No it couldn't. We were almost bound to be relegated. You only have to look at teams like Boro, bigger than us, yet couldn't get anyone to manage them once Aitor Karanka was sacked.

In what world?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:47 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:In what world?

Their average attendance was 30,449 last season

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:49 pm

Spijed wrote:Their average attendance was 30,449 last season

Ah, the world where attendance is a synonym for bigger.

jtv · Post by **jtv** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:53 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:If we'd spent as much time in blaming Coyle for everything* as actually looking for a decent, long term replacement, we don't know what would have happened.

Problem is: did we have that time? Coyle left with the window closing fast, he took with him the "Burnley" targets leaving Laws (or any new man who might have come in) with no option but panic buys. If SD left now (and I hope that he does NOT) at least the Board have time to plan (if they haven't started already) and have concrete plans for the January window.

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:57 pm

Just read somewhere that Everton are going to trigger Dyches's release clause
(2.5m I believe) but presume they would have to approach the club in the first instance
and ask for permission to speak to Dyche.

We could always say no even if they are willing to pay the 2.5m.

If they did approach the club and the club said no then what's the scenario
if Dyche then says he'd like to speak to Everton?

brigante · Post by **brigante** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:00 pm

If it's the case, I have no issue with Dyche leveraging interest to get a pay rise if his intention nonetheless is to stay. Gives the papers something to write about and he should be one of the best paid managers in British football whilst he continues to achieves what he is achieving.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:49 pm

scouseclaret wrote:The longer this goes on, the more confident I am that he will stay. Surely if he is he man they want they’d have made an approach by now?

Everton told Unsworth he'd get 4 games.. Expect them to make a move early next week (not necessarily for SD).

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:54 pm

We will know one way or tother by this time next week

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:04 pm

Top Claret wrote:We will know one way or tother by this time next week

But we won't though will we. We will know he isn't going to Everton when they appoint someone. Then when the west ham manager gets sacked the circus will start again.

1968claret · Post by **1968claret** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:22 pm

I understand SDs position and why he doesn’t categorically come out with an ‘I’m not going anywhere ‘ message.
Regardless of whether he would want the job or not he can’t be seen as dismissing out of hand as it would demonstrate a lack of ambition in many people’s eyes and could impact on future opportunities for him.
Much as I am sure we would love to hear him dismiss the rumours, I can very much understand why he doesn’t.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:35 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Everton told Unsworth he'd get 4 games.. Expect them to make a move early next week (not necessarily for SD).

...yet they’ve already spoken to Alardarse and approached Nuno???

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:46 pm

scouseclaret wrote:...yet they’ve already spoken to Alardarse and approached Nuno???

I believe they've spoken to a number of managers or their representatives. Doubt there's any truth in the approach for the Wolves manager.

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:02 pm

For those who think Dyche should say he is not leaving, do you not think the board should be saying we will not sack you even if we get relegated again? Loyalty is a two way process. Let’s try and get the thoughts more to giving Dyche a contract he is happy to sign and that his record so far deserves.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:09 pm

vinrogue wrote:For those who think Dyche should say he is not leaving, do you not think the board should be saying we will not sack you even if we get relegated again? Loyalty is a two way process. Let’s try and get the thoughts more to giving Dyche a contract he is happy to sign and that his record so far deserves.

We already did that the first time we got relegated.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:12 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:If we'd spent as much time in blaming Coyle for everything* as actually looking for a decent, long term replacement, we don't know what would have happened.

Yes, Coyle was a ****, but as soon as he left the building the problems he left became our problems, and we didn't do enough to sort them.

All old ground now, and I think everyone concerned knows what not to do this time.

Coyle left halfway through the transfer window. What time did we have.
Something shy of two weeks to advertise, interview, assess, select, get to know the current squad, find the weaknesses, look for replacements.........
Brian Laws never stood a chance really, but he never spat his dummy just did his best.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:25 pm

Everton will win tonight and at the weekend.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:26 pm

I think Nuno was approached by Everton. Which in turn made him make this comment:

"When you sign a contract, you must respect that. It's a project that requires commitment."

Cubanclaret · Post by **Cubanclaret** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:39 pm

I think Sean's ego is pretty well massaged right now and he feels his management record ought to be attracting the attention of the media and bigger jobs when they come up.
He has shown unwavering complicity to every conceivable media outlet in past weeks and months - and why the hell shouldn't he. Whatever walk of life you take on you want to be successful and respected in your field, the signs are that Sean wants to move his career on and his agent has been very active in ensuring they know he's up for consideration. He's always been careful in over-promising, and that's reflected in his preference for short term contracts.
If he leaves on Monday and we are sixth in the league on 16, 17 or 19 points after 11 games, he has every right to take the job and still receive eternal gratitude from all Burnley fans.
The facilities, culture and quality of our squad will be a delight to walk into for whoever takes the reigns. In many ways it's easier now than it would be in preseason. Look at what happened to Palace. Continuity is the key. I think even Brian Laws could conceivably keep us up this season - we have a strong group of players with a fine mentality - that doesn't just disappear overnight.
Potentially its a great platform for a manager like Moyes or O'Neill to re-establish their club credentials - or a less experienced manager to 'step up'. I think they'll be a much more impressive list up for the job than last time around, should Everton make their move.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:47 pm

vinrogue wrote:For those who think Dyche should say he is not leaving, do you not think the board should be saying we will not sack you even if we get relegated again? Loyalty is a two way process. Let’s try and get the thoughts more to giving Dyche a contract he is happy to sign and that his record so far deserves.

I honestly don't believe it's a money issue regarding his wage. I think it's can we finance his ambition? and we all know the answer to that.