ARTICLE: Burnley to raid the Baggies?

[KRBFC]

Fact or..........................................fiction as usual?

Fact according to many well known journos on the WBA side and even Nixon said so.

[bfcmik]

They're pretty easy to deal with, pay the valuation and you can have the player. Last time we low balled and begged for Dawson for practically free instead of paying the small fee of £3.25 million to just get the deal done.

Everything has a value - just because it is for sale at one price doesn't mean you have a buyer for it at that price. My son bought a second hand car last week in a private sale. It was offered at one price but he, and presumably the seller, both came away happy with a deal of £750 off the asking price.

Football transfers exist in a world where there are multi millions of £ flying around - that does not mean there are unlimited amounts available and BFC have, rightly, been cautious about spending money above their valuation of a player's worth to the squad. I'm sure that even ManUre, PSG, Real Madrid and the other super rich clubs have their own valuations of each player's worth to the team which is why you often see negotiations break down.

[KRBFC]

Everything has a value - just because it is for sale at one price doesn't mean you have a buyer for it at that price. My son bought a second hand car last week in a private sale. It was offered at one price but he, and presumably the seller, both came away happy with a deal of £750 off the asking price.

Football transfers exist in a world where there are multi millions of £ flying around - that does not mean there are unlimited amounts available and BFC have, rightly, been cautious about spending money above their valuation of a player's worth to the squad. I'm sure that even ManUre, PSG, Real Madrid and the other super rich clubs have their own valuations of each player's worth to the team which is why you often see negotiations break down.

Yeah but haggling over £300,000 when we had received a fortune from promotion was pretty laughable. We should've paid the fee, shown the trust in Dyche and backed him by bringing in Dawson who was clearly one of his main targets. Same thing with Lansbury, Hendrick & Stephens what a mess we were back then, funny Lansbury went to Villa not long after for just £2.75M.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Some actually believe the guff they type about transfers with no idea at all.

[Reecey1987]

Dawson fee has been agreed. Still negotiating on J-rod so I here

Any substance to this ?

[dsr]

... what a mess we were back then ...

Presumably if we hadn't been such a mess, we wouldn't have got stuck with the likes of Defour and Cork in midfield.

[piston broke]

Yeah but haggling over £300,000 when we had received a fortune from promotion was pretty laughable. We should've paid the fee, shown the trust in Dyche and backed him by bringing in Dawson who was clearly one of his main targets. Same thing with Lansbury, Hendrick & Stephens what a mess we were back then, funny Lansbury went to Villa not long after for just £2.75M.

I’m sort of on your side but not haggling got us Keane and Tarks.

[KRBFC]

Presumably if we hadn't been such a mess, we wouldn't have got stuck with the likes of Defour and Cork in midfield.

Did we not get Cork before the start of 17-18? your memory must be giving up on you.

[dsr]

It's the decisions of the past that have put us where we are now. It's futile to spend time banging on about how things went wrong when it's quite obvious they didn't go wrong.

We don't know what would have happened if we had signed Lansbury. But we know what did happen when we didn't sign Lansbury, and I have no complaints.

[TVC15]

We are in a new reality now. "Better than what we have got already" means signing Top Six players.

No it doesn`t
I could name you many players outside of the top 6 sides who would improve our first eleven - many out of our reach. Zaha would be one but there are many others.
Just because we finished 7th does not mean we are the 7th best team in the league.
Not sure what new reality world you live in but if you think that the only players who could improve our team are from the top 6 teams then you are on a different planet....and will be sadly disappointed by our signings !!

[KRBFC]

It's the decisions of the past that have put us where we are now. It's futile to spend time banging on about how things went wrong when it's quite obvious they didn't go wrong.

We don't know what would have happened if we had signed Lansbury. But we know what did happen when we didn't sign Lansbury, and I have no complaints.

I never said it went wrong, my point was actually we seem to have improved in the market since the relegation year hence the comment ''we were a mess back then'' (in terms of transfer policy with that Darnborough fella)

[ArmchairDetective]

Nixon reporting they want £35M for both

[Pearcey]

Nixon reporting they want £35M for both

At last! Something interesting to read!

[ElectroClaret]

Nixon reporting they want £35M for both

If that's true, offer em thirty, then walk away.

[Woodleyclaret]

Does Dixon moonlight on Talkshite radio.They specialise in nonsense too

[randomclaret2]

Its "Nixon "

[ecc]

I think £25m is a lot TBH.

[DCWat]

I think £25m is a lot TBH.

In this market, I don’t think it’s excessive.

Two of their best players from last season, albeit a poor one and from some comments, a belief from WBA fans that Dawson is good enough for England (how good might he be under Dyche?) whilst we know what Rodriguez can bring.

It’s two positions we are certainly short in and bringing in two players at a decent age with plenty PL experience won’t come cheap.

[jedi_master]

£30-35m is the going rate i would say, for example Hendrick and Wood cost us a combined £25m with no Premier League experience, and that was a year and two years ago.

A perfectly reasonable amount and we haven’t dicked around with a lowball offer like is normal for us, £25m was a good opening offer but was never going to be enough.

I think we can get it done for £30m plus add ons, and I think we will too.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

£30-35m is the going rate i would say, for example Hendrick and Wood cost us a combined £25m with no Premier League experience, and that was a year and two years ago.

A perfectly reasonable amount and we haven’t dicked around with a lowball offer like is normal for us, £25m was a good opening offer but was never going to be enough.

I think we can get it done for £30m plus add ons, and I think we will too.

Puts it into perspective when you put it like that, to be fair.

[piston broke]

£30-35m is the going rate i would say, for example Hendrick and Wood cost us a combined £25m with no Premier League experience, and that was a year and two years ago.

A perfectly reasonable amount and we haven’t dicked around with a lowball offer like is normal for us, £25m was a good opening offer but was never going to be enough.

I think we can get it done for £30m plus add ons, and I think we will too.

Excellent point re:Hendrick and Woods’ price.

[Longside4evr]

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it values Dawson at £7.20m maybe wide of the mark and if we offered that we would be accused of tabling a derisory offer and probably laughed out
10 million Dawson is limit and 18 for Jay and that should be it 28 mil package if not forget it

[boatshed bill]

I'm not sure about this "deal"
Where is the long-term planning? £28-£30m is a fair chunk of our likely transfer budget, unless SD knows a couple of our first team regulars wish to leave, which would change things dramatically.

[ecc]

I think we'd all like to see Jay back at Burnley. But look at his position, record since he was first injured and the risk of further injuries and £20m is a lot of money.

Dawson: whether Ben says or not (and I'm beginning to think it will end in tears) we need another CB. I'd say that he would be a priority over Jay.

[Blackrod]

If the tv deal is worth less surely transfer fees and wages should not be increasing at the same astronomical rate as before.

[TVC15]

Is the TV deal worth less ?
The overseas rights are now more than the domestic rights and have been increasing significantly. The domestic rights have definitely slowed down but I thought the overall deal was still the highest one ever (I maybe wrong).

On this particular deal I think £30m should be the maximum. Jay`s value should not be that much more than what West Prom paid for him - he had an ok season but nothing to justify a current value of more than £18m / £19m. Dawson at about £11m / £12m feels about right for someone with his experience (and a big benefit of being able to cover 2 positions).

Getting rid of Wells, Walters and Bardsley would save us at least £60k a week...and we may recoup a 2 or 3 million in fees (if we were lucky). The increase in the wage bill by bringing in Jay and Dawson and getting rid of these 3 would probably be around £50k a week and the difference is we have 2 players who could both play in the first eleven.

I do get the point that both these players` values are only likely to depreciate in the future given their age. But if we end up getting a silly offer on Pope or Tarks the profit we make on either one of these players pays for both Dawson and JayRod. At the same time it is important that we keep on looking and buying the next Tarks, JBG, Pope, Keane etc.

For everyone out of the top 6 teams that is the model we all have to work with...we seem to be doing it pretty well at the moment but it does only take two or three £20m mistakes and a couple of baron years in finding and developing bargains and you are in a mess like Stoke, West Brom, Swansea etc.

[Jakubs Tash]

Dawson fee has been agreed. Still negotiating on J-rod so I here

If this is the case why don't we move the Dawson signing forward? Does he have to hold hands with Jay and sign at exactly the same time?!

[MACCA]

If this is the case why don't we move the Dawson signing forward? Does he have to hold hands with Jay and sign at exactly the same time?!

Because it's bo11ocks, and people want to try and pretend they have friends in high places and compete to try and break the news first to say " I told you so"

Agent_Claret says has inside info and we've signed a Newcastle player, but no one can confirm it yet for some strange reason...
What a load of tosh