Anyone feel a tinge of sympathy for Theresa May ?

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Being a Remoaner myself and someone who has a policy of never voting for the Tories, I do feel sympathy for Theresa May.

She was the only person with the balls to be PM after the referendum and she's done as good a job as anyone possibly could have. Brexit is simply a disaster. I don't think she's staying on for power's sake - she can't even command a Commons majority - I think she's doing it out of a sense of service.

As much as I intensely dislike Brexit, the will of the people should be respected, else it makes a mockery out of our democracy: politicians will simply keep going to the ballot boxes until they get the answers they want.

At this point, I think she should resign and say "I did what I could" and let the Brexiteers give it a try. If they can't get it done (or they admit they campaigned in bad faith in 2016 - unlikely), perhaps then a second vote would be legitimate.

‘She was the only person with the balls to be PM and she’s done as good a job as anyone possibly could have.’
Where to start with that sentence!

[Test User]

Anyone have any idea what the point of that speech was just now?

[Bordeauxclaret]

Anyone have any idea what the point of that speech was just now?

To tell people Corbyn wasn’t involved, even though he made it pretty clear earlier that he wouldn’t anyway.

I think she’s just trying to get as many statements in as she can in her time left.

[Lancasterclaret]

Any tiny shred I might have just disappeared.

She deserves to go down in history as one of our worst PMs.

She cannot keep pretending its 2016. Its not, and she has no majority and no way of getting anything through.

She has to appeal to 100% of the voters, not just the 52%

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

She couldn’t even get her statement broadcast on BBC1 can she get any sh@tter at her job!?

[Damo]

She has to appeal to 100% of the voters, not just the 52%

Im not sure any pm in history could appeal to 100% of voters
Not sure she appeals to anywhere near 52% as it happens

[android]

May's cross-party co-operation plan is deliberately excluding the leader of the Opposition.
But this is all Labour's fault, remember. None of it is the Conservatives fault, or Leave voters' fault. No, it's all someone elses fault.

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Oops. Nice one Turtle.
But your suggestion that Corbyn might co-operate with a Tory government in the national interest did provide some much needed comic relief.

In answer to OP - yes. TM is unable to take people with her but her dedication to deliver on the result in the face of incredible opposition is obviously admirable. One of a small minority of MPs who actually does respect the peoples vote (yer know, the one we already had).

[Lancasterclaret]

What I mean Damo is that if she wants to get a deal, then she needs to think about what everyone wants, not just the 52%.

And she cannot keep pretending that its 2016, when she had a majority and everyone didn't think she was totally useless.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Same old sound bites from Theresa. Whoever her speech writers are must have had an easy job the past few years.

[Test User]

Oops. Nice one Turtle.
But your suggestion that Corbyn might co-operate with a Tory government in the national interest did provide some much needed comic relief.

In answer to OP - yes. TM is unable to take people with her but her dedication to deliver on the result in the face of incredible opposition is obviously admirable. One of a small minority of MPs who actually does respect the peoples vote (yer know, the one we already had).

Where was that suggested?

[mdd2]

I cannot believe we are in this farcical bargaining position where the EU know our hand from the off, care of the dimwits in Parliament. If Trade Union leaders had behaved like that we would still have kids climbing up chimneys. Why on earth have we gone into talks telling everyone that we would like a deal AND WE WILL NOT ACCEPT A NO DEAL. Now the we are reinforcing the fact that we will not leave without a deal what does anyone think the EU will do? 1) roll over and modify the present deal in our favour 2) only modify the deal if it draws us closer to them with us in the Customs Union (so no trade deals with other countries unless agreed with the EU) and still likely stuck in the CAP, fisheries and subject to the ECJ.But still out of the EU and subject to all they decide.
I voted out if there is a next time I will vote in as what we are going to get from the EU with these dimwits is mainly in but with no voice. Wouldn't surprise me that free movement maybe the only thing we get out of it-if even that.

[android]

Where was that suggested?

Ha ha. Don't ever lose the pedantry.

[AndrewJB]

Oops. Nice one Turtle.
But your suggestion that Corbyn might co-operate with a Tory government in the national interest did provide some much needed comic relief.

In answer to OP - yes. TM is unable to take people with her but her dedication to deliver on the result in the face of incredible opposition is obviously admirable. One of a small minority of MPs who actually does respect the peoples vote (yer know, the one we already had).

After years of keeping the brexit negotiations in her own party, and refusing to even engage properly with the devolved governments, May has finally reached the end of the road - having achieved nothing - and now wants to build cross party consensus. Because Corbyn and Cable have stipulated that 'no deal' has to axed as a price for their help, this suddenly makes them the 'wreckers'? That they are the ones 'playing politics' over this issue? The sheer brass neck, and sense of entitlement she must have in order to claim this is astounding. I suppose that having 87% of the print media backing your corner makes it easier for her.

They have the record for the largest ever commons defeat, but surely there can be no bigger example of 'playing politics' with the country's future than what the Tory party has done with brexit from start to finish?

[android]

Andrew - I was just having a bit of fun with IT/TU, as the day after he mocked May for not speaking to Corbyn, predictably Corbyn refused to speak to May.

Corbyn hasn't "wrecked" Brexit (he has always wanted it more than most after all). He just has never had anything useful to say about it and his strategy has been to ignore it as much as possible in the hope that it happens and the Tories get the blame for any fallout. For him, the prize is a far left govt the like of which we have never seen in this country and almost anything is worth sacrificing for that possibility. I don't have time to further engage with you on Corbyn today though and I know you cannot accept anything critical of him so it does seem a bit pointless anyway.

[summitclaret]

The plan hatched by the establishment and the EU us coming to fruition. They cant be alliwed to thwart the will of the people. The only way to get out of the EU in any meaningful way is the current deal with no backstop. Rhe EU won't let us. Tells me all i need to know.

[AndrewJB]

Andrew - I was just having a bit of fun with IT/TU, as the day after he mocked May for not speaking to Corbyn, predictably Corbyn refused to speak to May.

Corbyn hasn't "wrecked" Brexit (he has always wanted it more than most after all). He just has never had anything useful to say about it and his strategy has been to ignore it as much as possible in the hope that it happens and the Tories get the blame for any fallout. For him, the prize is a far left govt the like of which we have never seen in this country and almost anything is worth sacrificing for that possibility. I don't have time to further engage with you on Corbyn today though and I know you cannot accept anything critical of him so it does seem a bit pointless anyway.

There’s nothing quite like making your mind up based on small shreds of evidence. I doubt you’ve actually read his own words on anything, such as the speech in Wakefield recently. Then you wouldn’t come out with rubbish such as “he’s always wanted to leave”

The most radical government this country has ever seen was the postwar Attlee one, and Labour’s current plans fall short of that.

[Test User]

Ha ha. Don't ever lose the pedantry.

It's not pedantry to be accused of something you didn't do and then ask your accuser to back up the accusation.

In fact i'm pretty sure you're just resorting to calling me a pedant because you're too embarrassed to admit your mistake, which is just sad.

[biggles]

not sure I like this 'turtle light'; where's the fun gone?

[android]

Andrew - if you think it is rubbish that Corbyn has always wanted to leave the EU, then it is not me basing things on small shreds of evidence. So why do you think he voted for a referendum in 2011 along with the likes of John Redwood and Dennis Skinner? Perhaps you think that, unlike those other hard cases, Corbyn has had a Damascene conversion?

[android]

It's not pedantry to be accused of something you didn't do and then ask your accuser to back up the accusation.

In fact i'm pretty sure you're just resorting to calling me a pedant because you're too embarrassed to admit your mistake, which is just sad.

Classic overreaction - so it really is you IT!

Alright, just for you:
I am sorry that I do not have any embarrassing (!?) mistakes to admit to on this occasion. You mocked May for not talking to Corbyn and linked to an article about potential constructive talks between the parties. It kind of suggests that you think May should speak to Corbyn, which in turn suggests that Corbyn might have something constructive to say to her on Brexit. But you did not explicitly state that Corbyn might have something constructive to say on Brexit, and if you thought that is what I was saying, then I apologise profusely for any sadness caused!

[biggles]

not sure I like this 'turtle light'; where's the fun gone?

[kentonclaret]

David Cameron saw a Referendum on EU departure as a way of healing deep long lasting divisions on Europe within the Conservative party. It was a Conservative government that gave the people the Referendum and it has been a Conservative government that hastily triggered Article 50 (before any proper planning and consultation had been undertaken) and have overseen two and a half years of negotiations with the EU. The fact that it has turned into a complete farce and shambles is down to this PM and Conservative government. It is no surprise that a tory driven media and spin doctors are trying to deflect the blame on to the actions of Jeremy Corbyn (front page story in Daily Mail today).

Do people seriously think that Theresa May, who is happy to be labelled "a difficult woman", is going to change course from her deal at this late stage? It is her stubbornness, setting of Red Lines etc, and refusal to consult with others that has led to this impasse.

[biggles]

the blame for this shamolic state of affairs can only be aimed at TM the PM. how she can show her face is public is beyond me. she clearly has no shame and her moral compass only has pointers to the EU, Labour, half the Tory MPs and anyone else but herself.