England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:42 pm

Terrible ball and a terrible shot,but we'll take it,if we could somehow dismiss Smith before lunch,the whole mindset changes.

Stokes has a knack of making things happen.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:56 pm

We don't we forget about trying to get Smith out and stop with the negative field placing for the other batsman?

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:59 pm

People talk of Donald Bradman as one of the greatest batsmen that ever played the game of cricket.

They mentioned on Sky Ashes commentary that Steve Smith, over his last 10 Ashes innings, has scored almost 1200 runs that compares almost identically to the great Donald Bradman.

In the modern era that is some feat.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:08 pm

231-4 at lunch, a lead of 141.

We need to get a couple of early wickets because even this new partnership has put on 26 runs in next to no time.

Anything about 200 is going to be tough to chase.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:09 pm

Spijed wrote:We don't we forget about trying to get Smith out and stop with the negative field placing for the other batsman?

Fields have been

and why the heck is Woakes not bowling,some crazy calls from Root this morning.

Is it too early too do a rain dance yet.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:12 pm

kentonclaret wrote:People talk of Donald Bradman as one of the greatest batsmen that ever played the game of cricket.

They mentioned on Sky Ashes commentary that Steve Smith, over his last 10 Ashes innings, has scored almost 1200 runs that compares almost identically to the great Donald Bradman.

In the modern era that is some feat.

He's had some amazing form,but i wouldn't put him in Bradman's league yet,also didn't the Don play on uncovered wickets,and without the bowling restrictions on short stuff.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:12 pm

tiger76 wrote:Fields have been and why the heck is Woakes not bowling,some crazy calls from Root this morning.

Is it too early too do a rain dance yet.

Suggestion Woakes hurt his hand!

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:15 pm

Spijed wrote:231-4 at lunch, a lead of 141.

We need to get a couple of early wickets because even this new partnership has put on 26 runs in next to no time.

Anything about 200 is going to be tough to chase.

England have to win this next session,if the Aussies are still batting at tea,then it's going to be hard on day 5.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:19 pm

Spijed wrote:Suggestion Woakes hurt his hand!

Ah! right didn't know that,you wonder if this Ashes is going to be after the lord mayor's show,Jimmy injured,Wood injured,could be one of those series.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:19 pm

tiger76 wrote:England have to win this next session,if the Aussies are still batting at tea,then it's going to be hard on day 5.

We need to take the next six wickets for less than 80 runs, otherwise I can see us panicking too much.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:21 pm

From the BBC:

"The word is that Chris Woakes is fit.

He did take a knock to the hand when he was diving in the field yesterday".

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:28 pm

Archer has to play the next match. I would probably get Rashid in too. I think Archer’s pace and bounce + Rashid’s variation could be the key to getting Smith out earlier.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:40 pm

We're essentially playing with 9 men with Anderson injured and Mooen Ali in the side. Playing with our 3rd best wicket keeper isn't doing us any favours either.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:42 pm

tiger76

As you correctly point out Bradman did play in an era of uncovered wickets and without bowling restrictions on short stuff.

Bradman also played during an era when there were no full time sports statisticians analysing ways to get him out, plotting where every single run was scored, and looking for any areas of vulnerability.

Add to that mix a brace of ex England captains chatting endlessly on Sky Cricket Channel as to whether Bradman has any weaknesses and ways to exploit them.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:49 pm

Century for Smith.

Bertiebeehead · Post by **Bertiebeehead** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:23 pm

RVclaret wrote:Archer has to play the next match. I would probably get Rashid in too. I think Archer’s pace and bounce + Rashid’s variation could be the key to getting Smith out earlier.

I thought Rashid would only play one day and T20?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:23 pm

50 partnership

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:44 pm

England players coming under even harsher scrutiny as the Australian score climbs

"Bairstow's gloves are too far away from his eyes"

"There's something definitely not right with Moeen Ali"

"They wouldn't get Steve Smith out if he was batting with a stick of rhubarb"

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:53 pm

Could just do with the quick 6 wickets here.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:08 pm

England tried constantly throughout the innings to have the ball changed.

When the new ball does arrive they decide to continue with the old one.

Proof, if any were needed, that there was nothing wrong with the shape of the ball just that it wasn't swinging.

Appeals to have the ball changed should be limited to 1 per side per innings otherwise leave it to the umpires.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:09 pm

RVclaret wrote:Archer has to play the next match. I would probably get Rashid in too. I think Archer’s pace and bounce + Rashid’s variation could be the key to getting Smith out earlier.

Archer has to play at Lords,i'd give Jack Leech a go,he's a leggie and Smith struggles against Leggies,in relative terms.

Why on earth are we not taking the new ball,that's the last chance saloon surely.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:19 pm

Terrible decision by the ump,rightly reviewed by Australia.

The officials have had a stinker.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:23 pm

Smith finally gone for 142,probably too little too late,the lead is 241.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:29 pm

tiger76 wrote:He's had some amazing form,but i wouldn't put him in Bradman's league yet,also didn't the Don play on uncovered wickets,and without the bowling restrictions on short stuff.

Don didn’t cheat either

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:32 pm

"Don didn't cheat either"

If he had done I am sure that it would have been picked up by the Sky HD cameras inside the ground.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:47 pm

266 lead at tea

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:48 pm

Time for that rain dance i think.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:28 pm

Depressing knowing that any chance England have to win the first test has pretty much gone!

Joe Root really isn't cut out to be a captain, is he?

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:35 pm

Terrible decision to pick Moeen Ali the way he's been playing. Surely worth giving Leach a go at Lord's?

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:27 pm

I know he's got Pain with a very decent ball, but crumbs it took him until almost 5.00 to bowl one, so why the hell Moeen is bowling at all is way beyond me and if Root isn't already going through a list of possible replacements for Lords he bloody well should be!!

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:39 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:I know he's got Pain with a very decent ball, but crumbs it took him until almost 5.00 to bowl one, so why the hell Moeen is bowling at all is way beyond me and if Root isn't already going through a list of possible replacements for Lords he bloody well should be!!

It's not so much the lack of wickets with Moeen,but a spinner should never be going for 5 an over on this pitch,his job is to tie an end down,so that the seamers get a breather,he bowls far too many 4 balls to build any pressure.

Leech would be the obvious replacement,or maybe even Parkinson,Rashid is currently struggling with his shoulder so he won't play test cricket any time soon.

Woakes has been underbowled today,but there's been a lot of strange decisions by Root today,i know he's limited by Jimmy's injury but he could have rotated the attack better than he has.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:44 pm

Jimmy's injury has hampered Root tbf, and the suggestion is that Woakes isn't fully fit now either (if he is fit then him not bowling is criminal!). Denly has actually bowled better than Moeen and been quite unlucky. One thing is for sure,we'll see a far better display of the art of spin from Lyon!!
Maybe Moeen is really in for his batting! (Oh, hang on....)

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:45 pm

Why are Australia still batting?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:47 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Why are Australia still batting?

Been mentioned that as it's getting darker as soon as they go off that could be it for the day.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:49 pm

Spijed wrote:Been mentioned that as it's getting darker as soon as they go off that could be it for the day.

They'll probably open up with Lyon!!

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:51 pm

Gotta hope the weather can save us now

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:51 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Why are Australia still batting?

Don't know but the longer they continue the better for England,the light's closing in now so hopefully England shouldn't be batting tonight,that'll help .

Heavy rain forecast overnight but it's too clear by the morning.So the weather won't come to England's aid.

Aussies declared lead of nearly 400,tricky 7 overs for the openers to survive.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:52 pm

Australia have averaged over four an over!

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:53 pm

Spijed wrote:Australia have averaged over four an over!

We’ve been bowling Denley and Root

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:55 pm

Spijed wrote:Australia have averaged over four an over!

They have and they've batted well, but we've contributed with some very average bowling and iffy fielding. (Re Butler ducking a fairly simple one at short leg when he's actually there to catch it!!)

damo_whitehead · Post by **damo_whitehead** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:15 pm

Steve Smith is annoyingly brilliant!

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:23 pm

damo_whitehead wrote:Steve Smith is annoyingly brilliant!

Putting aside the fact that he’s a cheat he is the very definition of practice makes perfect.

He has a bowling machine at home and gets his wife to fire balls at him during the middle of the night. He also moved house so he could be closer to the SCG to get more practice in.

He was seen as a bit of a joke figure when he started out, but boy he’s anything but now. Superb player.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:31 pm

13-0 at stumps if we bat properly we can see out the last day,the pitch is still good,just need to apply ourselves.

Rory Burns and Steve Smith have both shown you can bat for long periods on this surface.

damo_whitehead · Post by **damo_whitehead** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:33 pm

Big morning ahead, got to play for time, not runs, no silly wickets

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:44 pm

I really can't help feeling that Lyon is a far better spinner than any of ours and batting a whole day against him with the ball spinning quite a bit is going to be tough ask.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:09 pm

I think we'll need a bit of help from the rain. I can see us lasting 4-5 hours but the full 90 overs will be problematic I think.
Forecast currently is for light rain showers from the early hours up to around midday/early afternoon so that may ease our task.

Hopefully a couple of the batters who fared badly 1st innings will redeem themselves tomorrow. Moeen's inclusion at Lords has got to be in doubt unless he suddenly finds some batting form, his bowling has been substandard.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:15 pm

LeadBelly wrote:I think we'll need a bit of help from the rain. I can see us lasting 4-5 hours but the full 90 overs will be problematic I think.
Forecast currently is for light rain showers from the early hours up to around midday/early afternoon so that may ease our task.

Hopefully a couple of the batters who fared badly 1st innings will redeem themselves tomorrow. Moeen's inclusion at Lords has got to be in doubt unless he suddenly finds some batting form, his bowling has been substandard.

I don't see any way they can pick Mooen Ali for the next game. He isn't contributing with bat or ball and his confidence looks shot.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:21 pm

jrgbfc wrote:I don't see any way they can pick Mooen Ali for the next game. He isn't contributing with bat or ball and his confidence looks shot.

If Wood (out for series) & Anderson (next match at least) are out then we have few other options when facing the Aussies.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:52 pm

I've decided to go down tomorrow and take advantage of the cheaper tickets.

Chance to watch from a new ground.

Let's hope we can bat well.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:07 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:I've decided to go down tomorrow and take advantage of the cheaper tickets.

Chance to watch from a new ground.

Let's hope we can bat well.

Hope you enjoy your day,Qtt are you brave enough to experience the hollies stand?

We can bat well,whether we will bat well is a different matter,you feel Burns,Root and Stokes will have to bat until mid-afternoon,or even until after tea to give England a fighting chance of saving this test,and even if England do emerge with a fighting draw,the Aussies will see it as a moral victory at fortress Edgbaston.

Time for Bairstow and Moeen to stand up and be counted,they've offered little in this game so far.