Begum ‘risk of hanging’

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:51 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Unbelievable post, and not in a good way.

I wouldn’t worry, as Jakubclaret prefers to meet people face to face before making decisions about how guilty they might be.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:02 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:Well the criteria would be reliable credible witnesses if applicable, motive/motives, semen/saliva/blood samples the decisive 1s really, & admission of guilt would be a plus point, tried by a jury. Put it this way a lot more to be certain than BJ is a liar than on the back of waking up getting up getting out of bed & reading a newspaper.

Johnson’s lies are in print, published under his name, and he’s been paid for writing them. But let’s not be too hasty in judgement! Otherwise capital punishment is just fine.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:34 pm

Greenmile wrote:Just re-reading this. Are you really implying that I think your Islamophobia makes you worse than someone who commits terrorist atrocities?? That’s a hell of a strawman.

That’s how I took it, to be fair.

I also don’t think I am islamophobic. I don’t treat or think of them other than another person who lives in the UK.

I am just concerned about some issues.

I think you lot way over react. That the issue in the uk today. You cannot discuss any of these subjects as the moment you express any concerns, your a racist.

In future I will avoid all threads that discuss anything to do with race as it’s pointless.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:58 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:That’s how I took it, to be fair.

I also don’t think I am islamophobic. I don’t treat or think of them other than another person who lives in the UK.

I am just concerned about some issues.

I think you lot way over react. That the issue in the uk today. You cannot discuss any of these subjects as the moment you express any concerns, your a racist.

In future I will avoid all threads that discuss anything to do with race as it’s pointless.

I think being concerned about a growing Muslim population is an over-reaction on the face of it, unless you can give us a non racist reason why you have those concerns.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:07 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:That’s how I took it, to be fair.

I also don’t think I am islamophobic. I don’t treat or think of them other than another person who lives in the UK.

I am just concerned about some issues.

I think you lot way over react. That the issue in the uk today. You cannot discuss any of these subjects as the moment you express any concerns, your a racist.

In future I will avoid all threads that discuss anything to do with race as it’s pointless.

So you don't hate or fear Muslims, but you're "concerned" about their growing numbers in the UK? Is that right?

It's not the expressing of concerns that makes you a racist, but your espousal of racist theories like the Great Replacement or the idea that the UK will become a Caliphate in the next few years.

To give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you're not Islamophobic or racist. Maybe you just obtain a lot of your information from Islamophobic, racist sources. It's not a great look either way, tbh, but if it's the former, I will apologise for calling you a "disgusting Islamophobe".

Hapag Lloyd · Post by **Hapag Lloyd** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:19 pm

AndrewJB wrote:I think being concerned about a growing Muslim population is an over-reaction on the face of it, unless you can give us a non racist reason why you have those concerns.

I think you’d be surprised just how many people are concerned about a growing Muslim population particularly those who already live in an area largely populated by them, which I’m guessing you don’t.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:19 pm

I remember seeing videos ten years ago in which people claimed that by 2020 Britain would have a 30% Muslim population, and that they’d be in charge of significant areas of our country, so it’ll be interesting to see how they manage that in three months. Bulgaria was under Muslim rule for five hundred years, and its Muslim population is 25%, so I’m not going to hold my breath. The religion that has been most vigorously pushed around the world is Christianity - a hundred years ago most of the world was dominated by Christian powers - and that still hasn’t taken over.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:22 pm

Hapag Lloyd wrote:I think you’d be surprised just how many people are concerned about a growing Muslim population particularly those who already live in an area largely populated by them, which I’m guessing you don’t.

4% of the entire UK is Muslim.

4%

FOUR PERCENT.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:27 pm

Hapag Lloyd wrote:I think you’d be surprised just how many people are concerned about a growing Muslim population particularly those who already live in an area largely populated by them, which I’m guessing you don’t.

I live in Newham. I have done for nearly twenty years. In my youngest daughter’s school, sixty percent of students are Muslim. It’s not a problem. If it were I’d live somewhere else, and post on here of my negative experiences.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:29 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:4% of the entire UK is Muslim.

4%

FOUR PERCENT.

2011 figures from what I read.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:30 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:4% of the entire UK is Muslim.

4%

FOUR PERCENT.

I thought it was six percent, but still...

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:31 pm

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AndrewJB wrote:I remember seeing videos ten years ago in which people claimed that by 2020 Britain would have a 30% Muslim population, and that they’d be in charge of significant areas of our country, so it’ll be interesting to see how they manage that in three months. Bulgaria was under Muslim rule for five hundred years, and its Muslim population is 25%, so I’m not going to hold my breath. The religion that has been most vigorously pushed around the world is Christianity - a hundred years ago most of the world was dominated by Christian powers - and that still hasn’t taken over.

Whilst not significant areas, there are certainly some areas of high concentrations.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:46 pm

Greenmile wrote:So you don't hate or fear Muslims, but you're "concerned" about their growing numbers in the UK? Is that right?

It's not the expressing of concerns that makes you a racist, but your espousal of racist theories like the Great Replacement or the idea that the UK will become a Caliphate in the next few years.

To give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you're not Islamophobic or racist. Maybe you just obtain a lot of your information from Islamophobic, racist sources. It's not a great look either way, tbh, but if it's the former, I will apologise for calling you a "disgusting Islamophobe".

Well thanks.
I have a simple view on life and the uk.

Anyone is welcome, except anyone who wants to kill people. I would prefer we could control that.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:48 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:4% of the entire UK is Muslim.

4%

FOUR PERCENT.

Like I said concerned about the rise. Around 70 to 100% rise every ten years. Census data.

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AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:50 pm

It’s hard not suppress a smile when the uber liberals/guardianista types espouse the wonder of Islam , little realising that they are the very people the strict adherents and zealots of Islam despise most .

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:52 pm

So in 60 years there's now 3 million Muslims.

It's gonna be a grim 2159 for Islamaphobes

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:56 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Well thanks.
I have a simple view on life and the uk.

Anyone is welcome, except anyone who wants to kill people. I would prefer we could control that.

I love how you've immediately equated "anyone who kill people" with a discussion about Muslims.

Is it immigration you've a problem with or the ones born here?

As for a rise in the Muslim population, well, after Brexit, I would imagine we'll get one, in order to make up the shortfall, but it won't be anything like what some are predicting.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:12 pm

fidelcastro wrote:I love how you've immediately equated "anyone who kill people" with a discussion about Muslims.

Is it immigration you've a problem with or the ones born here?

As for a rise in the Muslim population, well, after Brexit, I would imagine we'll get one, in order to make up the shortfall, but it won't be anything like what some are predicting.

It’s a general term, I mean anyone with no race connotation . Feel free as you did to attach it to any race or creed or sex. I don’t, I want to live in peace and safety.
You can turn that into a racist comment if you like but I mean ANYONE.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:19 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:It’s hard not suppress a smile when the uber liberals/guardianista types espouse the wonder of Islam , little realising that they are the very people the strict adherents and zealots of Islam despise most .

Not sure anybody's "espoused the wonder of Islam", Alarge.
Some have, however, espoused the wonder of finding things out before gobbing off about something or someone or have espoused the wonder of not being terrified of someone of a different colour or faith.

Keep smiling !

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:21 pm

AndrewJB wrote:I wouldn’t worry, as Jakubclaret prefers to meet people face to face before making decisions about how guilty they might be.

Yes strangely I do, it's called getting to know somebody face to face & usually it's a better position to be able to accurately assess the person's character & form an opinion based on what you REALLY discover for YOURSELF, why go to all that effort when there's a better way a more accurate way out there, we all could read newspapers alleging this that & the other, you'll never really find anything truelly factual your way, my way you will.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:55 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:So in 60 years there's now 3 million Muslims.

It's gonna be a grim 2159 for Islamaphobes

Perhaps maths and percentages were not your strong point at school.

If those percentage increases continued, which they won’t, it will slow down a lot.

But based on maths by 2041 the uk would be 64% Muslim.

That’s not going to happen.

But I will wait with interest on the 2021 census to try to gauge mathematically what that slow down will be.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:04 pm

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Just to add some context, and my missus is half Jewish before anyone has a go. It’s population has remain static for years.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:04 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Perhaps maths and percentages were not your strong point at school.

If those percentage increases continued, which they won’t, it will slow down a lot.

But based on maths by 2041 the uk would be 64% Muslim.

That’s not going to happen.

But I will wait with interest on the 2021 census to try to gauge mathematically what that slow down will be.

From the 60s to 2017 there was an increase from 50,000 to 3+ million.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:05 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:It’s a general term, I mean anyone with no race connotation . Feel free as you did to attach it to any race or creed or sex. I don’t, I want to live in peace and safety.
You can turn that into a racist comment if you like but I mean ANYONE.

If you welcome anyone, except those who want to kill people and you're not equating Muslims with wanting to kill people, why are you concerned about an increase in the number of Muslims in the UK?

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:08 pm

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Percentage of Indian origin.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:08 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Perhaps maths and percentages were not your strong point at school.

If those percentage increases continued, which they won’t, it will slow down a lot.

But based on maths by 2041 the uk would be 64% Muslim.

That’s not going to happen.

But I will wait with interest on the 2021 census to try to gauge mathematically what that slow down will be.

Can you show how you're working out the 64% that's "based on maths" please?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:09 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
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Percentage of Indian origin.

Only 14% of Indians are Muslim.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:09 pm

Tall Paul wrote:If you welcome anyone, except those who want to kill people and you're not equating Muslims with wanting to kill people, why are you concerned about an increase in the number of Muslims in the UK?

Because it disproportionate to others . As the data I have added shows.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:11 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Because it disproportionate to others . As the data I have added shows.

And that's a problem because...?

Also, that must mean that you don't welcome everyone, no?

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:15 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Can you show how you're working out the 64% that's "based on maths" please?

If it doubles as a percentage every 10 years as it has previously, that’s the outcome.

It’s not hard. 2 , 4, 8, 16, 32, 64.

As I have said, it will slow a lot but historically that’s the data.

The rate of slow down could only looked at when 2021 and 2031 data is collected.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:16 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote: my missus is half Jewish

I'm pretty sure she isn't.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:16 pm

Tall Paul wrote:And that's a problem because...?

Also, that must mean that you don't welcome everyone, no?

You can twist it as you wish, feel free.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:26 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:You can twist it as you wish, feel free.

I'm not twisting anything.

Can't you answer the question? Why are you concerned about the Muslim population being "disproportionate to others" if you welcome anyone that doesn't want to kill people?

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:49 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:That’s how I took it, to be fair.

I also don’t think I am islamophobic. I don’t treat or think of them other than another person who lives in the UK.

I am just concerned about some issues.

I think you lot way over react. That the issue in the uk today. You cannot discuss any of these subjects as the moment you express any concerns, your a racist.

In future I will avoid all threads that discuss anything to do with race as it’s pointless.

The problem with liberals is they cannot accept other points of view. If you are concerned about immigration which I am or disproportionate increases in sectors of the population they like to start name calling and extreme labelling.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:52 pm

Tall Paul wrote:I'm not twisting anything.

Can't you answer the question? Why are you concerned about the Muslim population being "disproportionate to others" if you welcome anyone that doesn't want to kill people?

Because at that growth rate it is going to affect us as a country.

Cannot see the future and it’s all gunna happen after I am dead, but it will impact the country.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:53 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Because at that growth rate it is going to affect us as a country.

Cannot see the future and it’s all gunna happen after I am dead, but it will impact the country.

In what way?

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:56 pm

Tall Paul wrote:In what way?

As I said you cannot predict the future, and I am not going to.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:01 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:As I said you cannot predict the future, and I am not going to.

But you must have predicted something if you're concerned about it?

Also, you appear to be making predictions about the number of Muslims that will be in the UK in the next 50 years or so.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:06 pm

Here's the scoop.

In 50-100 years even if there is a 50% "Muslim" population they will be no more Muslim than we are "Christian" on the census.

Whilst a lot of young Muslims do embrace their faith still they are not as conservative as their parents and it will only dilute as time goes on. Just like how we were quite a Christian nation not too long back.

My Gran even walked out of Life of Brian at the cinema cause she found it offensive.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:15 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote: My Gran even walked out of Life of Brian at the cinema cause she found it offensive.

What did she think it was about?

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:17 pm

fidelcastro wrote:What did she think it was about?

She thought it was a nice Christian film hahahaha.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:33 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Yep, nothing to do with us because if you're muslim we don't think you deserve the same justice system as us good, white christian folk.

Absolute rubbish. How can you say that? Its a ludictous assertion and only someone your age would come up with that.

Presume you know about penalties crimes in muslim countries. Not related to the topic but THINK!!!

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:38 pm

Her parents must share some blame somewhere along the line for this tragedy.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:41 pm

Stayingup wrote:Her parents must share some blame somewhere along the line for this tragedy.

And what about every other criminal on the planet? Are their parents to blame too?

LS7 · Post by **LS7** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:51 pm

I know a lot of Muslims through my Sunday night social football and they are good lads. Most UK Muslims are just regular folk concerned for themselves and their families.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:56 pm

LS7 wrote:I know a lot of Muslims through my Sunday night social football and they are good lads. Most UK Muslims are just regular folk concerned for themselves and their families.

Exact same for me. I play in Manningham every Friday after work and as you say dont see any real difference between any of us

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:04 pm

LS7 wrote:I know a lot of Muslims through my Sunday night social football and they are good lads. Most UK Muslims are just regular folk concerned for themselves and their families.

Who'd have thought, eh?

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:05 pm

I don't play football with any Muslims at present

I am related to some though.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:07 pm

******* hell, Muslims being regular people, I can't believe I'm hearing this.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:10 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Now you seem to be suggesting that Begum might not even have committed crimes here.

I haven't said she's committed crimes here have I?

She's entered another country and joined an active terrorist organisation, which committed atrocities that she was complicit in.
It's not down to the UK to put her in the dock for those crimes.