Wout Weghorst

[Lancasterclaret]

Possibly. Undermining authority less so though.

Long term would have had an effect, short term?

Unlikely

But its done, with hindsight we'd have hired a manager after Watford!

[Rileybobs]

Long term would have had an effect, short term?

Unlikely

But its done, with hindsight we'd have hired a manager after Watford!

Yeah exactly. I like Weghorst and hope to see what he can do next season. But I didn’t like the way he blanked Jackson after the game when the rest of the squad were rightly celebrating a great comeback and huge 3 points. It smacked of him being more concerned in his own interests than the teams’. And we don’t know what may have transpired between him and the management staff in the days after the game.

Probably not fair to speculate though because he still gave it his all in his substitute appearances following that game and looked as gutted as anybody when we were relegated.

[KRBFC]

Not saying he was doing well this season but to make out he was shitter than Weghorst is wrong. And it's debatable whether the play style was to accommodate Wood or the players we had (or the preferred approach of the manager)

I think LTL posted a few times about our shift in style being less beneficial for Wood.

Weghorst had a better return than the ''proven goalscorer'', doesn't say much about this proven goalscorer. I thought all 5 strikers combined were absolutely useless, 3 of our 4 wide players were awful too.

It's funny how people wanna pretend Wood was knocking them in for fun in this team, he was just as bad as the rest of them, fans act like Rodriguez is a brilliant influential player yet has the worst return of all strikers at the club. Weghorst wasn't great but his return was an awful lot better than Barnes and Rodriguez'.

[jedi_master]

Where are all the Premier League teams queuing up to take him back, or is he just not good enough for that level? He was signed to score goals, he failed to do it. That is the full story with Weghorst at Burnley. In another team he would have (possibly) prospered, but he was a terrible signing for a team that played in the manner we do/did - a total fish out of water. Whoever was responsible, Pace/Dyche or a mixture of, they got it wrong. Loaning him out for the rest of his contract to a team in Turkey is the final insult with this transfer. Smacks of so many other January window striker signings by relegation threatened sides (like Kostas Mitroglou at Fulham).

The sadness for me is I do think he’d have been very useful in the Championship, and we are chronically short up front already. I did call out a quote from Kompany though on what he wanted from a striker, and the key attributes were pace and mobility, so it always struck me that Weghorst would likely not be his cup of tea.

[KRBFC]

Where are all the Premier League teams queuing up to take him back, or is he just not good enough for that level? He was signed to score goals, he failed to do it. That is the full story with Weghorst at Burnley. In another team he would have (possibly) prospered, but he was a terrible signing for a team that played in the manner we do/did - a total fish out of water. Whoever was responsible, Pace/Dyche or a mixture of, they got it wrong. Loaning him out for the rest of his contract to a team in Turkey is the final insult with this transfer. Smacks of so many other January window striker signings by relegation threatened sides (like Kostas Mitroglou at Fulham).

The sadness for me is I do think he’d have been very useful in the Championship, and we are chronically short up front already. I did call out a quote from Kompany though on what he wanted from a striker, and the key attributes were pace and mobility, so it always struck me that Weghorst would likely not be his cup of tea.

He hardly set the PL alight, I'm not surprised there isn't a long queue of clubs looking at him.

[jedi_master]

He hardly set the PL alight, I'm not surprised there isn't a long queue of clubs looking at him.

I’m not a fan of Weghorst as I’ve said before, but I’m surprised it’s just Turkish sides that are in for him. Surely half of the Bundesliga would be interested with his record there.

I’m just perplexed that if we’re desperate to get rid (and I imagine we are, due to his wages) that we’re only capable of getting a loan for him. It would surely be better to take a loss and sell at £8m or so. Just a tragic bit of business from start to end this, but I’m not shocked in the slightest sadly.

[Gaia]

Sources confirm that Besiktas is in advanced talks with Burnley for Dutch striker Wout Weghorst. One-year loan deal is on the table, but the Turkish club is pushing for an option-to-buy. Weghorst and Besiktas are already in agreement, matter of time for clubs to agree terms! https://t.co/u1jL3LOWnq

https://twitter.com/mauricefereira/stat ... aPxQA&s=19

[Dodobdobodobo]

When we used Wout correctly he looked like a decent player. MJ panicked after the Villa at home game and went all five at the back defensive. Ok it worked against Spurs (unlucky not to get a point out of the game) and Villa away (good point).
We had to win the last game so why not go with the formation that got us 10 points from 4 games which meant playing the ball through Wout on the deck.
I can totally understand why he was p+++++ off with Barnes playing before him.
He has a proven goalscoring record at his two previous clubs. I’m sure with The Championship played at a slower pace his goals will come again.
I for one hope he stays.

[paulatky]

I’m not a fan of Weghorst as I’ve said before, but I’m surprised it’s just Turkish sides that are in for him. Surely half of the Bundesliga would be interested with his record there.

I’m just perplexed that if we’re desperate to get rid (and I imagine we are, due to his wages) that we’re only capable of getting a loan for him. It would surely be better to take a loss and sell at £8m or so. Just a tragic bit of business from start to end this, but I’m not shocked in the slightest sadly.

Isnt the fact he is not vaccinated an issue in the Bundesligia

[taio]

I want him to stay too rather than go out on loan. Could be crucial in the Championship and irrespective of that players can take longer than he's had to settle. His real lack of pace has been an understandable concern.

[FCBurnley]

Loan move to Besiktas seems weird in the extreme.

[KRBFC]

I want him to stay too rather than go out on loan. Could be crucial in the Championship and irrespective of that players can take longer than he's had to settle. His real lack of pace has been an understandable concern.

It's not even running speed for me, it's the speed of thought in front of goal. Incredibly strange for someone who has been a serial penalty box killer in his entire career. Seemed to lose all confidence infront of goal towards the end.

[KRBFC]

He was the starting striker for Holland in the Euros. 1 in 2 throughout his career in several different countries. His pressing, work rate and all around game has been for the most part pretty good. The problem is he walked into a new country, in a hoofball unproductive team and he can't header a football for toffee and isn't surrounded by quality players creating chances for him on a regular basis. His confidence just dropped dramatically, potentially a lack of belief in his teammates.

[beddie]

A panic buy.

[tiger76]

Get what we can for him, be that from Besiktas or anyone else, file under Gibson a terrible signing, and given we aren't awash with money an expensive mistake we could ill afford to make.

[BabylonClaret]

He was the starting striker for Holland in the Euros. 1 in 2 throughout his career in several different countries. His pressing, work rate and all around game has been for the most part pretty good. The problem is he walked into a new country, in a hoofball unproductive team and he can't header a football for toffee and isn't surrounded by quality players creating chances for him on a regular basis. His confidence just dropped dramatically, potentially a lack of belief in his teammates.

So why haven't any other Prem teams with better players come I for him? Surely if a few plebs in the stands can see he's actually a football genius and we didn't use him properly then paid scouts from other sides like, oh I don't know maybe Brighton or Southampton who could use a good finisher, would be banging our door down to fork up the low release clause?

[Vino blanco]

Everyone on here seems to be complaining about Weghorst and our other strikers in general. We could have had Kane and Son up front last season and they would have struggled with a midfield consisting of Westwood, Cork, Brownhill, Stephens, Lennon etc. That is where our problem lies and that is where our new manager and recruitment team need to focus.

[KRBFC]

So why haven't any other Prem teams with better players come I for him? Surely if a few plebs in the stands can see he's actually a football genius and we didn't use him properly then paid scouts from other sides like, oh I don't know maybe Brighton or Southampton who could use a good finisher, would be banging our door down to fork up the low release clause?

I mean it's pretty obvious why, he's scored twice since signing, almost 30 years old, high wages. Bundesliga sides haven't been linked with him or Dutch sides and those are two leagues he's been previously very successful in. I think calling him a football genius is a bit OTT, he works hard, has a good touch and wriggles out of challenges. I think he spends far too much time in midfield.

[Vino blanco]

He has to spend time in midfield because our midfield can't get the ball to the strikers.

[ClaretPete001]

Looks like it's all mute because he claims to have agreed a year's loan with the club.

The media seemed to find all this hilarious yesterday.

[RVclaret]

Weghorst’s comments in the press weren’t great, were they?

[ClaretPete001]

Weghorst’s comments in the press weren’t great, were they?

No, really unprofessional. I have no idea why the club would agree to it at this point....

I can only guess he isn't getting the offers he hoped for and is touting for a new club.

[beddie]

Weghorst’s comments in the press weren’t great, were they?

What did he say?

[BurnleyFC]

We haven’t exactly played to his strengths and I don’t begrudge him not wanting to play in the Championship in a World Cup year, but he’s nowhere near as good as he seemingly thinks he is.

[RVclaret]

What did he say?

https://www.burnleyexpress.net/sport/fo ... or-3720238

[RVclaret]

We haven’t exactly played to his strengths and I don’t begrudge him not wanting to play in the Championship in a World Cup year, but he’s nowhere near as good as he seemingly thinks he is.

Agree with this.

Think he did the same at Wolfsburg, looking for a move for some time and no one came in for him (until us).

[BabylonClaret]

I mean it's pretty obvious why, he's scored twice since signing, almost 30 years old, high wages. Bundesliga sides haven't been linked with him or Dutch sides and those are two leagues he's been previously very successful in. I think calling him a football genius is a bit OTT, he works hard, has a good touch and wriggles out of challenges. I think he spends far too much time in midfield.

Exactly. That's the point. Trouble is too many were on Wood's back and therefore are prepared to co.pletely overlook all the stuff above simply because he has a nice touch and isn't Wood and the fact he's been shocking for us for most games is our fault.

[Quickenthetempo]

He's been getting pelters on twitter for the comments he made in the press.

It looks to me like, when we signed him, both parties agreed he wouldn't play in the championship if relegated.

There's nothing wrong with it, plenty of players get relegation clauses.

[Turftalkers mentor]

The only person who thinks Weghorst is a fabulous player is the lad himself , vastly overated and worst of all a sulker . Get rid as soon as possible

[Pearcey]

He has come across as quite arrogant to be honest. He looked good when he first came but as time went on he looked pretty woeful. It’s a shame though as I would’ve liked to have seen him in the championship.

[Rileybobs]

I can understand us including a release clause of some sort in the event of our relegation. But a seemingly open-ended clause which would allow him to leave on loan is just bonkers. Obviously it takes two to sign a contract, and Weghorst was in a strong negotiating position, but if this is true it is a terrible deal for the club.

[daveisaclaret]

It'd be really bad to have a clause where a player toddles off on loan for a year and then comes back if we get into the Premier League if that player was any good. To have it for a player who isn't actually good enough to play in the Premier League would be mind boggling.

[NewClaret]

I can understand us including a release clause of some sort in the event of our relegation. But a seemingly open-ended clause which would allow him to leave on loan is just bonkers. Obviously it takes two to sign a contract, and Weghorst was in a strong negotiating position, but if this is true it is a terrible deal for the club.

I think for clubs like ours in the bottom half and no financial backing, we’ll always have to accept release clauses. Particularly if we want to sign better players (in theory the more of those you sign the lower the chance you’ll need them). It’s the terms we agreed to, as you say. And also underlines why you should recruit when in a position of strength (7th, 10th, etc), which is a frustration.

On WW’s comments: pretty disappointed in them. He seemed a top pro to me and I thought given some of his performances in front of goal contributed to our downfall he might’ve either stayed to help us up or at least left very professionally and quietly.

[ClaretPete001]

I can understand us including a release clause of some sort in the event of our relegation. But a seemingly open-ended clause which would allow him to leave on loan is just bonkers. Obviously it takes two to sign a contract, and Weghorst was in a strong negotiating position, but if this is true it is a terrible deal for the club.

It is just bonkers.

If he goes out on loan and we do not get promoted we then potentially get a 31 year old back worth much less than we bought him for.

We are also in a situation where we may have bought a replacement striker and then what?

I've never heard of this before..

[ClaretTony]

Just not what we wanted back in January and not what we need now. A bit like Rouwen Hennings, he lacks the pace and more so the strength to play in English football. We are going to lose on him so best to accept that and move on. And I hope when the new manager comes in, he gets to make the decision on who we sign.

[bumba]

Just not what we wanted back in January and not what we need now. A bit like Rouwen Hennings, he lacks the pace and more so the strength to play in English football. We are going to lose on him so best to accept that and move on. And I hope when the new manager comes in, he gets to make the decision on who we sign.

The new manager or the one we think!?

[Quickenthetempo]

The Turkish offer is supposedly 100k a week loan. (Probably cover 40k wages 60k to club)

Then 8m transfer fee afterwards.

[ClaretTony]

The new manager or the one we think!?

Whoever it is because Dyche definitely didn't sign Weghorst

[dandeclaret]

Who was that lad that was signed under Laws? Big Fred Nimani was it? Who was the lad who came for about 6 weeks and left under Dyche - I think he was dutch? Then there was Hennings as well..... Due diligence looks to be lacking.

[Boss Hogg]

Just not what we wanted back in January and not what we need now. A bit like Rouwen Hennings, he lacks the pace and more so the strength to play in English football. We are going to lose on him so best to accept that and move on. And I hope when the new manager comes in, he gets to make the decision on who we sign.

Exactly this.

[CrosspoolClarets]

It was a desperate gamble, one that had to be made after Newcastle holed us beneath the waterline, and it could have paid off with two great chances nearly put away against Villa and Newcastle. Not entirely bad misses, either of them.

But it is best now for him to go.

[jedi_master]

The Turkish offer is supposedly 100k a week loan. (Probably cover 40k wages 60k to club)

Then 8m transfer fee afterwards.

That’s fine as long as it’s an obligation for them to buy. If it’s just an option after the year then it’s a terrible deal, IMO.

[Foreverly Claret]

I happen to think he'd grab a bagful in the Championship BUT we've got to be as certain as we can be about attitude .We're going to need 100% commitment in that league...no room whatsoever for doubters from square one so if the cap doesn't fit then Bye Bye and take your chances elsewhere...if you can . Only way a loan out is acceptable to me is if we can't get a full transfer on reasonable terms ...for Wout and any other waverers.

[joey13]

Just not what we wanted back in January and not what we need now. A bit like Rouwen Hennings, he lacks the pace and more so the strength to play in English football. We are going to lose on him so best to accept that and move on. And I hope when the new manager comes in, he gets to make the decision on who we sign.

Sort of what happens when people running the club haven’t got a clue.

[Quickenthetempo]

That’s fine as long as it’s an obligation for them to buy. If it’s just an option after the year then it’s a terrible deal, IMO.

It seems they want the obligation to buy more than we do.

[Woodleyclaret]

Sell him on Dutch flops are legendary in the Premier league. Everyone remembers successes the two Ruuds, Van Persie and Edwin goalkeeper at Manure .But there have been loads who came and bombed Wout is just the latest.

[ClaretPete001]

That’s fine as long as it’s an obligation for them to buy. If it’s just an option after the year then it’s a terrible deal, IMO.

"It is suggested that the Istanbul club Beşiktaş have offered a €100,000 loan fee and then €8m for the 29-year-old, with a salary of €2m a year, which has reportedly been accepted by Burnley and the player, who will now make the final decision on his next move."

The Burnley Express says the above. The word "suggested" without a quote or a named individual says much but I don't think it makes enough sense to be able to extrapolate anything from it.

But it looks like the loan fee to Burnley is £100,000 then Besiktas will pay his wages of £2 million per year (possibly more than his salary at the club after the relegation clause has been activated) and after the year we get £8 million.

[ClaretPete001]

It seems they want the obligation to buy more than we do.

Where are you getting this info from?

[Quickenthetempo]

Where are you getting this info from?

Twitter.

Just using their translation.

Obviously not taking as gospel.

[Andreshotboots]

He's coming across as exactly what we don't need in a Championship season...arrogance, no fight, not a team man, no desire to put right what he contributed to going wrong..

Get this man out of the door ASAP and let him and his attitude fail somewhere else..