The King’s Coronation Message

[Nori1958]

Be careful you wouldn’t want adding to his dreaded ‘foe list’

That one that he replies to those on it

[Lancasterclaret]

Be careful you wouldn’t want adding to his dreaded ‘foe list’

Aww lads

Having the bottom feeders of the board obsessed with me is very amusing

I quite like the Royals as well, mainly because I can't see an alternative that would work

[Benson]

Aww lads

Having the bottom feeders of the board obsessed with me is very amusing

I quite like the Royals as well, mainly because I can't see an alternative that would work

No one could be more obsessed with you than yourself.

[Lancasterclaret]

Sorry mate, you've been on the list for quite a while

You'll have to change your username again I'm afraid

[Nori1958]

Sorry mate, you've been on the list for quite a while

You'll have to change your username again I'm afraid

Bingo!!!

[Lancasterclaret]

Grumps

I can't believe you've got the hang of how it works by now

I'll see your name replying to one of my posts, with the message

"Nori1958, who is currently on your ignore list, made this post"

I doubt it will be worth looking at, which is why you are on my ignore list, but if it was a post in a conversation about something interesting (ie not a list of saddos having a go at me) then I'd look at it because you do make some good points when you aren't being weird

I hope that helps

[Jakubclaret]

That one that he replies to those on it

I've been psychologically traumatized since discovering I'm on the list as well.

[CoolClaret]

Too early to say who was right or wrong. Things take time and 3 months after it was officially confirmed, we had 2 years of Covid, followed by the Russian invasion of Ukraine. It's just simply impossible to judge at this stage due to both those factors. Anyone expecting the UK to suddenly have a boom and take over the world post Brexit were obviously wrong, but those who predicted doom and gloom like London not being the finance capital anymore were also wrong. Probably need to revisit in 5-10 years once the world is (hopefully) back on it's feet.

It really isn’t.

Every other nation on earth has had the same and our living standards have dropped relatively - whilst we’ve also lost out on certain benefits.

[Paul Waine]

Roy Hodgson seemed to take it in his stride,ditto Warnock

I think they'd both been managers before.

However, I know I'd be nervous if I'd been asked to pick a football team for a game or two.

[dsr]

Ruined? A massive state occasion like the one we saw yesterday ruined by a tiny bunch of noisy demonstrators? By heck, we really have become a paranoid country. On second thoughts, best to crush them with an iron fist, just in case they upset someone.

Genuinely, you don't think your day would be ruined if a noisy demonstrator was waving a placard and whatever else they were doing, right next to you at a moment when you're trying to watch the parade? I think it would. Unless, of course, you're working on the idea that the parade as a whole is what matters and the rights of the individual to enjoy it are immaterial. But if you believed that, you wouldn't be objecting to the arrest of demonstrators, would you.

How far does this right to protest extend? If. for example, a Blackburn Rovers supperter in the next seat to you was to protest, during the trophy presentation, about parachute money, would that be fair enough? Should he be allowed to block your view with a placard, to blow a vuvuzela in your ear, to generally spoil the day?

[Exeterclaret]

Genuinely, you don't think your day would be ruined if a noisy demonstrator was waving a placard and whatever else they were doing, right next to you at a moment when you're trying to watch the parade? I think it would. Unless, of course, you're working on the idea that the parade as a whole is what matters and the rights of the individual to enjoy it are immaterial. But if you believed that, you wouldn't be objecting to the arrest of demonstrators, would you.

How far does this right to protest extend? If. for example, a Blackburn Rovers supperter in the next seat to you was to protest, during the trophy presentation, about parachute money, would that be fair enough? Should he be allowed to block your view with a placard, to blow a vuvuzela in your ear, to generally spoil the day?

So you support the arrest of peaceful protestors? Just think about what that makes you for a second.

[Nori1958]

So you support the arrest of peaceful protestors? Just think about what that makes you for a second.

Depends on your definition of peaceful

The idiots who glue themselves to motorways and stop people getting to work and ambulances to hospital could be classed by some as peaceful....do we just let them carry on unhindered?

Somebody with a banner obviously intended to annoy thousands of people gathered to support the opposite view could easily cause a breach of the peace,and can be arrested to prevent one

How long would you leave the peaceful protester on Harry Potts Way on a match day with his anti Burnley banner dressed in a Rovers kit before he was arrested to prevent a rather large breach of the peace?

[Exeterclaret]

Depends on your definition of peaceful

The idiots who glue themselves to motorways and stop people getting to work and ambulances to hospital could be classed by some as peaceful....do we just let them carry on unhindered?

Somebody with a banner obviously intended to annoy thousands of people gathered to support the opposite view could easily cause a breach of the peace,and can be arrested to prevent one

How long would you leave the peaceful protester on Harry Potts Way on a match day with his anti Burnley banner dressed in a Rovers kit before he was arrested to prevent a rather large breach of the peace?

I take your point regarding blocking infrastructure. But I'm talking about Republic here specifically who had no known plans to cause any kind of disruption.

The police shouldn't be the arbiter of who gets to exercise their human rights. I just don't get how anyone who has any pretence of wanting to live in a liberal democracy can see images of police seizing placards and arresting the leader of a group who have no record of violent or majorly disruptive (I have an issue with that terminology) protest and not be disturbed. I guess a lot of people are just more comfortable with authoritarian policing than I am.

[Lancasterclaret]

I take your point regarding blocking infrastructure. But I'm talking about Republic here specifically who had no known plans to cause any kind of disruption.

The police shouldn't be the arbiter of who gets to exercise their human rights. I just don't get how anyone who has any pretence of wanting to live in a liberal democracy can see images of police seizing placards and arresting the leader of a group who have no record of violent or majorly disruptive (I have an issue with that terminology) protest and not be disturbed. I guess a lot of people are just more comfortable with authoritarian policing than I am.

Population of the country is getting older, and they tend to be more authoritarian

Plus we all instinctively "obey the law" so we don't tend to notice that the laws being passed erase more and more of our freedoms

It is a tough one though, the police would want the protestors to protest away from the procession, but they also probably were under orders to make sure that there was no danger of disruption to it, and decided that the best way of doing that was this (which wasn't the right decision)

[Newcastleclaret93]

I take your point regarding blocking infrastructure. But I'm talking about Republic here specifically who had no known plans to cause any kind of disruption.

The police shouldn't be the arbiter of who gets to exercise their human rights. I just don't get how anyone who has any pretence of wanting to live in a liberal democracy can see images of police seizing placards and arresting the leader of a group who have no record of violent or majorly disruptive (I have an issue with that terminology) protest and not be disturbed. I guess a lot of people are just more comfortable with authoritarian policing than I am.

Let’s be honest no one had a clue what these tossers were planning.

They could easily have caused a scene and to be brutally honest it was probably better for their own protection. I wouldn’t have been surprised if a few of them were close to getting their heads kicked in.

[Exeterclaret]

Let’s be honest no one had a clue what these tossers were planning.

They could easily have caused a scene and to be brutally honest it was probably better for their own protection. I wouldn’t have been surprised if a few of them were close to getting their heads kicked in.

The police will no doubt have to pay out substantial compensation.

I think they had a right for their voices to be heard. Just as you would want to if you had a major disagreement with the constitutional settlement of the country you lived in.

[Nori1958]

I take your point regarding blocking infrastructure. But I'm talking about Republic here specifically who had no known plans to cause any kind of disruption.

The police shouldn't be the arbiter of who gets to exercise their human rights. I just don't get how anyone who has any pretence of wanting to live in a liberal democracy can see images of police seizing placards and arresting the leader of a group who have no record of violent or majorly disruptive (I have an issue with that terminology) protest and not be disturbed. I guess a lot of people are just more comfortable with authoritarian policing than I am.

You very cleverly avoided answering some important points there, meanwhile the anti Burnley, Rovers supporting peaceful protester is still sat outside Turf Moor as kick off gets ever closer...what should the police do?

[Exeterclaret]

You very cleverly avoided answering some important points there, meanwhile the anti Burnley, Rovers supporting peaceful protester is still sat outside Turf Moor as kick off gets ever closer...what should the police do?

It's not the quite same though is it? Tribal football rivalry is known to result in violence and has a long and extensive track record of doing so.

Republicans and monarchists should be able to express their respective views without coming to blows and I can't think of an example where that's been the case.

There's also the point that republicanism is a political conviction while football affiliation isn't in the same way. It's problematic that the police are deciding who gets to express their views and who doesn't.

[Newcastleclaret93]

It's not the quite same though is it? Tribal football rivalry is known to result in violence and has a long and extensive track record of doing so.

Republicans and monarchists should be able to express their respective views without coming to blows and I can't think of an example where that's been the case.

There's also the point that republicanism is a political conviction while football affiliation isn't in the same way. It's problematic that the police are deciding who gets to express their views and who doesn't.

It would almost have been certain someone would have got very hurt if they didn’t intervene.

It’s like the just stop oil protests. That will result in someone getting very very hurt sooner rather than later.

[Exeterclaret]

The police can keep protesters physically separate without silencing them completely. That's good policing.

Authoritarian policing is seizing placards and arresting peaceful protestors.

If, hypothetically, say we had a leftist government with an authoritarian streak, I do suspect certain members of this board would be making the same points as me.

[Nori1958]

It's not the quite same though is it? Tribal football rivalry is known to result in violence and has a long and extensive track record of doing so.

Republicans and monarchists should be able to express their respective views without coming to blows and I can't think of an example where that's been the case.

There's also the point that republicanism is a political conviction while football affiliation isn't in the same way. It's problematic that the police are deciding who gets to express their views and who doesn't.

Of course it's the same, and again you haven't said what should happen, I know why you won't.

[Lancasterclaret]

The police can keep protesters physically separate without silencing them completely. That's good policing.

Authoritarian policing is seizing placards and arresting peaceful protestors.

If, hypothetically, say we had a leftist government with an authoritarian streak, I do suspect certain members of this board would be making the same points as me.

This

Its so tribal now, they know deep down that they are wrong but are quite unable to admit it on a football forum

People are arguing quite happily that you can't protest if it annoys someone

[Nori1958]

I'd love to see all the do gooders on here if, say, stop the oil blocked all the roads around turf moor today, and the police sat back and allowed them to coninue because if they stepped in it might offend some on here.

[Lancasterclaret]

My advice to all the very wrong people would be just to enjoy today, and maybe realise that telling people how authoritarian you are on a public forum might not be the best use of your time

[evensteadiereddie]

Well put, Sir.
Just setting out now.
Please be nice, M6.

[Nori1958]

Well put, Sir.
Just setting out now.
Please be nice, M6.

Good luck, hopefully no protesters hanging off bridges etc

[Hapag Lloyd]

My advice to all the very wrong people would be just to enjoy today, and maybe realise that telling people how authoritarian you are on a public forum might not be the best use of your time

Arrogant,narcissistic and conceited all spring to mind.

[dsr]

So you support the arrest of peaceful protestors? Just think about what that makes you for a second.

How do you define "peaceful"? I don't suppose you mean they weren't making noise. Yes, I support that in certain circumstances, peaceful (ie. non-violent) protestors can and should be arrested. I strongly suspect that if someone was protesting about something by playing loud music outside your bedroom and banging on the glass every half hour, you would too.

Some of the protestors were allowed to carry on and protest, and others weren't. whether the police overreacted to the ones that did protest, I don't know because I don't have the details. But in principle, the right to protest has to be restricted to some extent where it impinges on other people's rights.

[Devils_Advocate]

whether the police overreacted to the ones that did protest, I don't know because I don't have the details. But in principle, the right to protest has to be restricted to some extent where it impinges on other people's rights.

When a recognised group contact the police weeks in advance to let them know they plan to protest at the coronation event, said police agree and even designate them a location where they can protest and then on the day arrest the group leaders they have been working with before they even start to protest and detain them without charge for 16 hours then I can think that is an overreach of police powers and should concern us all.

When the police arrest volunteers from night time safety group who are affiliated with Westminster council and had council jackets on for possession of rape alarms that they hand out to women to try and help keep them safe then that is an overreach of police powers and should concern us all.

When police arrest a journalist who has a press pass simply for filming the protests and strip him of his press badge and camera then it is an overreach of police powers and should concern us all

[Benson]

When a recognised group contact the police weeks in advance to let them know they plan to protest at the coronation event, said police agree and even designate them a location where they can protest and then on the day arrest the group leaders they have been working with before they even start to protest and detain them without charge for 16 hours then I can think that is an overreach of police powers and should concern us all.

When the police arrest volunteers from night time safety group who are affiliated with Westminster council and had council jackets on for possession of rape alarms that they hand out to women to try and help keep them safe then that is an overreach of police powers and should concern us all.

When police arrest a journalist who has a press pass simply for filming the protests and strip him of his press badge and camera then it is an overreach of police powers and should concern us all

Fck ‘em………it’s reight.

[Lancasterclaret]

All freed without charge

[kentonclaret]

When a recognised group contact the police weeks in advance to let them know they plan to protest at the coronation event, said police agree and even designate them a location where they can protest and then on the day arrest the group leaders they have been working with before they even start to protest and detain them without charge for 16 hours then I can think that is an overreach of police powers and should concern us all.

When the police arrest volunteers from night time safety group who are affiliated with Westminster council and had council jackets on for possession of rape alarms that they hand out to women to try and help keep them safe then that is an overreach of police powers and should concern us all.

When police arrest a journalist who has a press pass simply for filming the protests and strip him of his press badge and camera then it is an overreach of police powers and should concern us all

The fact that the protest group met the police several weeks in advance of the Coronation became almost irrelevant when the government rushed through amendments to the Public Order Act just days before the the event. This placed even more pressure on the police and placed them in an almost impossible position.

[evensteadiereddie]

Arrogant,narcissistic and conceited all spring to mind.

Maybe but enough about you, eh?

[Hapag Lloyd]

Maybe but enough about you, eh?

Bore off eddie, or is it Nat today.

[evensteadiereddie]

Explain the Nat reference.
Does it actually mean anything?

[Hapag Lloyd]

No need Eddie, you know exactly what it means Mr. multiple usernames.

[evensteadiereddie]

So, just your usual bullcrap.
No surprise there then..

[Hapag Lloyd]

So, just your usual bullcrap.
No surprise there then..

Whatever Eddie
Is it Eddie today?
Good night.

[evensteadiereddie]

Always was Eddie, always will be.
Been a long day, has it?
Sleep well.

[Benson]

Night