Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020

[SmudgetheClaret]

I need someone to tell me why should we ever vote again ? we live in a dictatorship aided and abetted by the Left as usual..

[JohnMcGreal]

I need someone to tell me why should we ever vote again ? we live in a dictatorship aided and abetted by the Left as usual..

FFS...

[martin_p]

I need someone to tell me why should we ever vote again ? we live in a dictatorship aided and abetted by the Left as usual..

If the Brexit drama queens are this bad after the announcement that there may be a short delay to their beloved Brexit just imagine what they'll be like if they do actually call a second referendum!

[Greenmile]

Because when immigration gets mentioned you jump on the xenophobia soapbox, it's a default defensive stance, Q1 answered, even if you don't agree, & immigration has already plummeted post referendum due to the pound, & the trade deals which are likely to be clinched (outside of eu) are more likely to be skilled work which can only be filled by a smaller selective workforce & not just any old EU worker, Q2 answered even if you don't agree, I'm doing it this way to avoid the same repetitive questions & also remembering questions & answers, someone has to!

How does your answer to question one equate to me exploiting cheap labour? Do you think I run a sweatshop somewhere, or is it because I don’t always shop ethically (and, presumably, you do).

Immigration plummeting due to the pound doing the same does not help low skilled workers - it just makes them poorer.

What makes you think the immigration visas we have to agree to obtain trade deals will be for skilled workers only? Why would any country strike a deal that involves them being able to send us their skilled workers (I presume you mean doctors / lawyers etc), when they presumably would like those skilled workers to contribute to their own societies?

NB - these aren’t the same questions, they are follow up questions because I’m not satisfied with your answers - I don’t think you’ve thought them through properly.

[Greenmile]

I need someone to tell me why should we ever vote again ? we live in a dictatorship aided and abetted by the Left as usual..

I can help here. You should never vote again. We don’t want the BNP (or their modern equivalent) in power anyway.

[Jakubclaret]

How does your answer to question one equate to me exploiting cheap labour? Do you think I run a sweatshop somewhere, or is it because I don’t always shop ethically (and, presumably, you do).

Immigration plummeting due to the pound doing the same does not help low skilled workers - it just makes them poorer.

What makes you think the immigration visas we have to agree to obtain trade deals will be for skilled workers only? Why would any country strike a deal that involves them being able to send us their skilled workers (I presume you mean doctors / lawyers etc), when they presumably would like those skilled workers to contribute to their own societies?

NB - these aren’t the same questions, they are follow up questions because I’m not satisfied with your answers - I don’t think you’ve thought them through properly.

I answered generally so i don't feel the need for further explanation it's obvious really when you choose to think about it, maybe a reason you are not satisfied with the answers is that you simply do not agree with the answers, in a post brexit scenario the desire to welcome skilled workers will be far higher than unskilled i should imagine.

[Lancasterclaret]

The desire will be dependent on need.

Pretty much as it is now in fact.

[nil_desperandum]

I answered generally so i don't feel the need for further explanation it's obvious really when you choose to think about it, maybe a reason you are not satisfied with the answers is that you simply do not agree with the answers, in a post brexit scenario the desire to welcome skilled workers will be far higher than unskilled i should imagine.

Again spectaculary missing the point or failing to answer it.
Just to be clear, the basic question you were bring asked was this:
If we are negotiating a trade deal with country "A", why would it agree to a deal that automatically and legally allows free movement of their skilled workers to the UK but not their unskilled workers? (i.e. they would pay to educate and train people up for a skilled job and then we could "pinch" them)?
It's not going to happen. India are pretty keen on a trade deal but in return they're looking for freedom of movement. Would you oppose a trade deal with India, as part of your brexit "Brave New World"?
The one thing that has been obvious from the outset is that there will be little change to immigration to the UK post- brexit. It just might be though that the colour of the skins of the majority might not be the same.

[Greenmile]

I answered generally so i don't feel the need for further explanation it's obvious really when you choose to think about it, maybe a reason you are not satisfied with the answers is that you simply do not agree with the answers, in a post brexit scenario the desire to welcome skilled workers will be far higher than unskilled i should imagine.

Giving a meaningless answer and then refusing to provide further explanation isn’t really how a conversation is supposed to work, though it helps explain how you have apparently managed to learn nothing throughout this process, and why you think you have answered folks’ questions in the past when you clearly haven’t.

Our desire for skilled immigrants is always going to be higher than our desire for unskilled immigrants, irrespective of Brexit, but it won’t be up to us, will it? When we try to agree a trade deal with another country, they will demand visas for their unskilled workers as part of the deal. Why would they want to send us their skilled workers who could contribute to their own societies?

Remember, we will be desperate for these deals, having thrown away all the ones we currently enjoy thanks to EU membership, and everyone will know we’re desperate. These are the zero-sum negotiations brexiters want to worry about, not our negotiations to withdraw from the EU.

Edit - nil d beat me to it.

[RingoMcCartney]

I struggle to understand your position on this still. You've repeatedly said that the referendum was just "Do we leave the EU" with no detail as to how we leave as a justification for no deal. Equally though, May's deal is undeniably leaving the EU and fulfils the referendum question but doesn't count somehow.

As for the politicians who agree with you being honourable and those who don't being dishonourable, it's pretty one-eyed (and isn't consistent with your The referendum was a yes/no question stance) and doesn't explain why you are happy with Brexiteers blocking us leaving the EU.

You asked a question. I answered it, and what is becoming an increasingly common habit with Remoaners. You don't like that answer and either claim your question is being answered or a whole plethora of falsehoods.

To paraphrase Fleetwood mac.

"Don't ask me what I think of you. I might give you answers you don't want me to."

Here's my answer.

Brexiteers ( tory and labour) that voted it down did so because they see it as brexit in name only. Given they stood on a manifesto that pledged to leave the European Union . Voted to trigger article 50 and enshrine leaving the EU on March 29th into law. They are, in my view being consistent and honourable.

Remoaner ( tory and labour) that voted it down, were being opportunistic and doing what they've down throughout the negotiations. Going back on the manifesto pledges on which they were elected. And despite the vast majority of MPs ( tory and labour) voting to trigger article 50, they're clearly wanting to thwart, undermine and in most cases stop the uk ever leaving the EU. They are in my view duplicitous, dishonourable and helping to ferment a deep, long term, even permanent, mistrust of politicians, parliament and democracy itself.

Like it or lump it.

[RingoMcCartney]

When people I agree with do it they're honourable.
When people i disagree with do it it's because they're dishonourable.

Take your meds.

I just happen to be in the fortunate position of agreeing with honourable people ( tory and labour). While disagreeing with dishonourable people ( tory and labour).

Good innit.

And if that was the best you had, at 2.40 am.

You should have taken to your bed.

[RingoMcCartney]

You’ve proper tied yourself in knots there Wrongo, even by your own standards! So let me get this straight, you’d prefer the ‘ceaseless remoaners’ to have honoured their manifesto pledges (in your opinion) and voted FOR May’s deal, meaning it would have been voted through, leading us to a ‘Brexit in name alone’?

I think you’re part of the remoaner conspiracy!!

Let me put you straight as your clearly unable to do so yourself

I'd prefer the Ceaseless Remoaners ( labour and tory) to have accepted the referendum result. They haven't and they've done everything in their grasp to frustrate, undermine and thwart the process from day one. Consequently, May has had to have appeased their relentless hindering. To such an extent that the , Merkel approved deal, is what it is. A Brexit in name only.

Your and my views are irrelevant Marty. Those of the 17.4 million leave voters matter. By being seen as the duplicitous parlimentarians that facilitated The Establishments Brexit, Adonis's Brexit, Campbells and worst of all the War Criminal Tony Bliars Brexit. They just increased the chances of what the establishment will no doubt call a "populist party" doing very well at future ballot boxes.

Every cloud!

[RingoMcCartney]

I answered generally so i don't feel the need for further explanation

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.

Somebody tell these people.

[aggi]

You asked a question. I answered it, and what is becoming an increasingly common habit with Remoaners. You don't like that answer and either claim your question is being answered or a whole plethora of falsehoods.

To paraphrase Fleetwood mac.

"Don't ask me what I think of you. I might give you answers you don't want me to."

Here's my answer.

Brexiteers ( tory and labour) that voted it down did so because they see it as brexit in name only. Given they stood on a manifesto that pledged to leave the European Union . Voted to trigger article 50 and enshrine leaving the EU on March 29th into law. They are, in my view being consistent and honourable.

Remoaner ( tory and labour) that voted it down, were being opportunistic and doing what they've down throughout the negotiations. Going back on the manifesto pledges on which they were elected. And despite the vast majority of MPs ( tory and labour) voting to trigger article 50, they're clearly wanting to thwart, undermine and in most cases stop the uk ever leaving the EU. They are in my view duplicitous, dishonourable and helping to ferment a deep, long term, even permanent, mistrust of politicians, parliament and democracy itself.

Like it or lump it.

OK. So what you're saying is that the vote was just a binary choice to leave/remain and leave won.

Therefore, the vote was a mandate for no deal as that is leaving the EU (the vote wasn't about how we left the EU).

However, the vote wasn't a mandate for May's deal as that is leaving the EU, but not how you want to leave (even though the vote wasn't about how we left the EU).

You can see where the confusion arises.

[Imploding Turtle]

I just happen to be in the fortunate position of agreeing with honourable people ( tory and labour). While disagreeing with dishonourable people ( tory and labour).

Good innit.

And if that was the best you had, at 2.40 am.

You should have taken to your bed.

You like it when people you agree with do a thing, and dislike it when people you disagree with do a thing. Yet they're both doing the exact same thing. Do you understand how mental that is? And i don't mean "mental" in a good way, i mean it in a "you should seek medical advice" kind of way.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Why are so many leave voters so paranoid about being called stupid? I hardly ever hear or see anyone call leave voters stupid, but I constantly hear and see leave voters talking about how everyone else thinks they’re stupid.

It's said on here often enough by smug as **** remainers.

If they're so smart why did they lose?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

That’s right snowflake, it’s all the remainers’ fault. If we hadn’t called brexiters stupid and hurt their feelings, we’d all have a backyard full of unicorns by now.

It's the fault of both sides you absolute belmtard.

Both sides have spent two years dicking about instead of getting on with the job.

No wonder people lose faith in politics and don't vote when we are left with two main parties that many wouldn't trust to run a bath, never mind the country.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I need someone to tell me why should we ever vote again ? we live in a dictatorship aided and abetted by the Left as usual..

What we need to do as a country is stop voting for the usual dross of Labour and Tory.

The sheep won't do that though.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

That utter bilge Sidney.

Its repeating the lowest level of debate about this to put it mildly.

We only move on from this when Brexiteers understand that wanting a Unicorn based deal and not getting it is the fault of the people who promised such a deal, not remainers, not the EU, not anyone else, but them.

We won't move on from anything whilst remain keep kicking up a stink about losing the vote.

Brexiteers and remainers are as bad as each other ultimately and that's why we are on the brink of a no deal.
Neither side is willing to admit that though, they'd rather finger point and call each other names like spoilt children

[Greenmile]

It's the fault of both sides you absolute belmtard.

Both sides have spent two years dicking about instead of getting on with the job.

No wonder people lose faith in politics and don't vote when we are left with two main parties that many wouldn't trust to run a bath, never mind the country.

Careful now. You don’t want to undermine Brexit (and expose your hypocrisy) by calling me a belmtard, do you?

You’ll never get your unicorn if you carry on like this.

[RingoMcCartney]

You like it when people you agree with do a thing, and dislike it when people you disagree with do a thing. Yet they're both doing the exact same thing. Do you understand how mental that is? And i don't mean "mental" in a good way, i mean it in a "you should seek medical advice" kind of way.

It's possible to do the same thing for different reasons.

[RingoMcCartney]

OK. So what you're saying is that the vote was just a binary choice to leave/remain and leave won.

Therefore, the vote was a mandate for no deal as that is leaving the EU (the vote wasn't about how we left the EU).

However, the vote wasn't a mandate for May's deal as that is leaving the EU, but not how you want to leave (even though the vote wasn't about how we left the EU).

You can see where the confusion arises.

You asked a question. I answered it, and what is becoming an increasingly common habit with Remoaners. You don't like that answer and either claim your question is being answered or a whole plethora of falsehoods. 

To paraphrase Fleetwood mac. 

"Don't ask me what I think of you. I might give you answers you don't want me to."

Here's my answer.

Brexiteers ( tory and labour) that voted it down did so because they see it as brexit in name only. Given they stood on a manifesto that pledged to leave the European Union . Voted to trigger article 50 and enshrine leaving the EU on March 29th into law. They are, in my view being consistent and honourable.

Remoaner ( tory and labour) that voted it down, were being opportunistic and doing what they've down throughout the negotiations. Going back on the manifesto pledges on which they were elected. And despite the vast majority of MPs ( tory and labour) voting to trigger article 50, and voting for an eu referendum in the first place. They're clearly wanting to thwart, undermine and in most cases stop the uk ever leaving the EU. They are in my view, duplicitous, dishonourable and helping to ferment a deep, long term, even permanent, mistrust of politicians, parliament and democracy itself.

Like it or lump it.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Careful now. You don’t want to undermine Brexit (and expose your hypocrisy) by calling me a belmtard, do you?

You’ll never get your unicorn if you carry on like this.

Hypocrisy about what?

If you're going to call me a snowflake of all things I'll call you a belmtard or worse.

As for unicorn, that can go where the sun doesn't shine.

In or out of the EU, I've never been overly arsed, but if we are leaving I only wanted it done properly.
Instead our politicians have spent 2 years dick arsing about posturing and waving their arms around whilst getting very little done.
Pretty much like most of you have done on here for the last two years

[Greenmile]

Hypocrisy about what?

If you're going to call me a snowflake of all things I'll call you a belmtard or worse.

As for unicorn, that can go where the sun doesn't shine.

In or out of the EU, I've never been overly arsed, but if we are leaving I only wanted it done properly.
Instead our politicians have spent 2 years dick arsing about posturing and waving their arms around whilst getting very little done.
Pretty much like most of you have done on here for the last two years

Your original post on this thread (today) included a whinge about the nasty remainers calling the poor little brexiters nasty names, which somehow is undermining Brexit (I’m not sure how, to be honest). I replied, and your next post to me was calling me a nasty name - one which combines an insult about cerebral palsy sufferers with the word “retard”, which is a mite more offensive than calling someone “stupid” or a “snowflake”, imo.

Can you see the hypocrisy now? Or do I need to draw you a picture, snowflake?

[Imploding Turtle]

It's possible to do the same thing for different reasons.

You mean like one person votes to Leave the EU wanting No Deal. And another person votes to Leave the EU expecting there to be a deal?

[KateR]

I seriously believe there is better than 50% chance we move to GE and postpone leaving for 6 months, the actual 6 month delay is just a SWAG from me, but GE to be called before 29 March. Will be a very interesting 2019 me thinks !!

[Greenmile]

It's the fault of both sides you absolute belmtard.

Both sides have spent two years dicking about instead of getting on with the job.

No wonder people lose faith in politics and don't vote when we are left with two main parties that many wouldn't trust to run a bath, never mind the country.

Just to add, your original post didn’t contain any hint of a suggestion that it’s the fault of both sides (and we all know how much you like that argument - I reckon if a murder victim bruised their attacker, you’d claim fault on both sides) - it laid the blame squarely at the feet of remainers.

[RingoMcCartney]

You can wriggle as much as you want on point 1, but you’re wrong (but as ever won’t accept it). As the BBC article you quote states, the vote you reference was just to take the bill through to its next reading not to make it law. As I’ve said, when it came to making the referendum an actual reality the majority of Labour MPs abstained. If you’d asked ‘did the majority of Labour MPs vote to let the eu referendum bill have a third reading’ you’d be right when you say yes, but you didn’t.

So now, after the question was asked, you now want to rewrite the question so it fits your answer! " if you'd asked this, if you'd asked that!"

You couldn't make it up Marty!

Look at my post 2359.

It simply asks the question - " did the vast majority of labour MPs vote to have an eu referendum."

 Yes or no?

No, belated, goal post shifting stipulation, as to whether, the stage in parliamentary procedure they voted,  it passed into law, or not. Just a straight forward . "did the vast majority of labour MPs vote to have an eu referendum?

Then look at what the BBC Chris Mason, political correspondent confirmed.

"You don't need a doctorate in mathematics to work out this was a Commons majority of rather a lot.

With 650 MPs in the House of Commons, persuading 84% of them to vote the same way is quite something.

In fact, such an achievement the result was held up because of the length of the queue of those wanting to ENDORSE the idea of an EU referendum!"

How did it happen?Labour campaigned before the general election against the idea of a referendum, saying it would be destabilising. But after what amounted, to them, to be a rather destabilising appointment with the electorate, they have changed their mind in defeat.

MPs have OVERWHELMINGLY backed plans for a referendum on the UK's membership of the European Union.

The vote, which followed the first debate on the EU Referendum Bill, means the legislation moves to the next stage of its progress through Parliament.

Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said a "generation" had been denied a say on the UK's place in Europe, and the public must now have the "final say".

MPs voted by 544 to 53 (nearly all SNP) in favour of the motion

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[RingoMcCartney]

You mean like one person votes to Leave the EU wanting No Deal. And another person votes to Leave the EU expecting there to be a deal?

Correct.

And combined , the total number, regardless of the reason , came more than voted to Remain.

Democracy- it means, regardless at to why people on the other side voted, sometimes you lose.

[Rick_Muller]

Correct.

And combined , the total number, regardless of the reason , came more than voted to Remain.

Democracy- it means, regardless at to why people on the other side voted, sometimes you lose.

Yeah but there was only one type of remain... as opposed to multiple reasons and types of leave

[Greenmile]

Correct.

And combined , the total number, regardless of the reason , came more than voted to Remain.

Democracy- it means, regardless at to why people on the other side voted, sometimes you lose.

But I thought Brexit in name only doesn’t count. Should all those folk who voted for something like May’s deal have been counted as remain voters?

[RingoMcCartney]

Yeah but there was only one type of remain... as opposed to multiple reasons and types of leave

There were only 2 options on the ballot paper.

Leave received more votes.

[RingoMcCartney]

But I thought Brexit in name only doesn’t count. Should all those folk who voted for something like May’s deal have been counted as remain voters?

No.

When people voted for the 1997 labour government they believed they were voting for a socialist lead country.

They got Tony Bliar.

Should their vote have gone to the Tories?

[Imploding Turtle]

Correct.

And combined , the total number, regardless of the reason , came more than voted to Remain.

Democracy- it means, regardless at to why people on the other side voted, sometimes you lose.

I expect you to maintain that attitude when a second vote happens and it finds that actually we've changed our minds.

[Jakubclaret]

Giving a meaningless answer and then refusing to provide further explanation isn’t really how a conversation is supposed to work, though it helps explain how you have apparently managed to learn nothing throughout this process, and why you think you have answered folks’ questions in the past when you clearly haven’t.

Our desire for skilled immigrants is always going to be higher than our desire for unskilled immigrants, irrespective of Brexit, but it won’t be up to us, will it? When we try to agree a trade deal with another country, they will demand visas for their unskilled workers as part of the deal. Why would they want to send us their skilled workers who could contribute to their own societies?

Remember, we will be desperate for these deals, having thrown away all the ones we currently enjoy thanks to EU membership, and everyone will know we’re desperate. These are the zero-sum negotiations brexiters want to worry about, not our negotiations to withdraw from the EU.

Edit - nil d beat me to it.

Sometimes it's best to be concise with answering questions, otherwise you can end up forgetting what you've asked & wrapping yourself up in knots & we know where that leads, you seem to think too deep & as a consequence over complicate simple things, it's not a case of them being in a position to dictate to a skilled professional where he/she would like to work, he/she will decide for themselves where they want to work, you can pick & choose if you are highly skilled, what they would probably do, in the event of a skill shortage is enhance the current package to minimise that possibility, we can also refuse to issue visas whenever we see fit without a reason.

[RingoMcCartney]

I expect you to maintain that attitude when a second vote happens and it finds that actually we've changed our minds.

If only you actually had a mind too change!

[Greenmile]

No.

When people voted for the 1997 labour government they believed they were voting for a socialist lead country.

They got Tony Bliar.

Should their vote have gone to the Tories?

Your analogy is a bit mixed up, but that aside, that’s a surprisingly reasonable argument.

The question should be whether folk who voted for Blair knowing he was a socialist in name only should have had their votes counted for the Tories. The ones who thought they were voting for an actual socialist party are analogous to the hard brexiters in this scenario.

Of course, I don’t agree with your basic premises, so it doesn’t really matter how sound your argument is in this instance, but I’m genuinely impressed.

[Imploding Turtle]

Of only you actually had a mind too change!

When calling other people stupid it's important to always check your spelling.

[martin_p]

Let me put you straight as your clearly unable to do so yourself

I'd prefer the Ceaseless Remoaners ( labour and tory) to have accepted the referendum result. They haven't and they've done everything in their grasp to frustrate, undermine and thwart the process from day one. Consequently, May has had to have appeased their relentless hindering. To such an extent that the , Merkel approved deal, is what it is. A Brexit in name only.

Your and my views are irrelevant Marty. Those of the 17.4 million leave voters matter. By being seen as the duplicitous parlimentarians that facilitated The Establishments Brexit, Adonis's Brexit, Campbells and worst of all the War Criminal Tony Bliars Brexit. They just increased the chances of what the establishment will no doubt call a "populist party" doing very well at future ballot boxes.

Every cloud!

Stop wriggling Wrongo. You were very specifically unhappy at the ‘ceaseless remoaners’ for voting against May’s deal as it went against their manifesto pledges. So I ask you, would you have been happy if they had voted for May’s deal?

[RingoMcCartney]

When calling other people stupid it's important to always check your spelling.

Desper8 jusst desper8!

[RingoMcCartney]

Stop wriggling Wrongo. You were very specifically unhappy at the ‘ceaseless remoaners’ for voting against May’s deal as it went against their manifesto pledges. So I ask you, would you have been happy if they had voted for May’s deal?

Marty if somebody gives you an answer that you don't like. It's not "wriggling". It's an answer you don't like.


I'd prefer the Ceaseless Remoaners ( labour and tory) to have accepted the referendum result. They haven't and they've done everything in their grasp to frustrate, undermine and thwart the process from day one. Consequently, May has had to have appeased their relentless hindering. To such an extent that the , Merkel approved deal, is what it is. A Brexit in name only.

Your and my views are irrelevant Marty. Those of the 17.4 million leave voters matter. By being seen as the duplicitous parlimentarians that facilitated The Establishments Brexit, Adonis's Brexit, Campbells and worst of all the War Criminal Tony Bliars Brexit. They just increased the chances of what the establishment will no doubt call a "populist party" doing very well at future ballot boxes.

Every cloud!

[Imploding Turtle]

Stop wriggling Wrongo. You were very specifically unhappy at the ‘ceaseless remoaners’ for voting against May’s deal as it went against their manifesto pledges. So I ask you, would you have been happy if they had voted for May’s deal?

.

I look forward to your answer to this.

[Imploding Turtle]

Marty if somebody gives you an answer that you don't like. It's not "wriggling". It's an answer you don't like.


I'd prefer the Ceaseless Remoaners ( labour and tory) to have accepted the referendum result. They haven't and they've done everything in their grasp to frustrate, undermine and thwart the process from day one. Consequently, May has had to have appeased their relentless hindering. To such an extent that the , Merkel approved deal, is what it is. A Brexit in name only.

Your and my views are irrelevant Marty. Those of the 17.4 million leave voters matter. By being seen as the duplicitous parlimentarians that facilitated The Establishments Brexit, Adonis's Brexit, Campbells and worst of all the War Criminal Tony Bliars Brexit. They just increased the chances of what the establishment will no doubt call a "populist party" doing very well at future ballot boxes.

Every cloud!

You haven't answered the question.

The question was would you have been happy if Remainers had voted for May's deal?

When you refuse to answer that question, and distract by talking about answers to questions that weren't asked, then that's "wriggling".

Stop being a coward and give a straight answer to the straight question.

[RingoMcCartney]

I look forward to your answer to this.

QUESTION- How do you keep an idiot in suspense?

I'll let you look forward to my answer....

[Burnley Ace]

Desper8 jusst desper8!

Once again your attention to detail shows you up

[RingoMcCartney]

You haven't answered the question.

The question was would you have been happy if Remainers had voted for May's deal?

When you refuse to answer that question, and distract by talking about answers to questions that weren't asked, then that's "wriggling".

Stop being a coward and give a straight answer to the straight question.

Marty if somebody gives you an answer that you don't like. It's not "wriggling". It's an answer you don't like.


I'd prefer the Ceaseless Remoaners ( labour and tory) to have accepted the referendum result. They haven't and they've done everything in their grasp to frustrate, undermine and thwart the process from day one. Consequently, May has had to have appeased their relentless hindering. To such an extent that the , Merkel approved deal, is what it is. A Brexit in name only.

Your and my views are irrelevant Marty. Those of the 17.4 million leave voters matter. By being seen as the duplicitous parlimentarians that facilitated The Establishments Brexit, Adonis's Brexit, Campbells and worst of all the War Criminal Tony Bliars Brexit. They just increased the chances of what the establishment will no doubt call a "populist party" doing very well at future ballot boxes.

Every cloud!

[Imploding Turtle]

Utter cowardice. If you're too scared to answer a very simple question then that's what you are.

[Greenmile]

Sometimes it's best to be concise with answering questions, otherwise you can end up forgetting what you've asked & wrapping yourself up in knots & we know where that leads, you seem to think too deep & as a consequence over complicate simple things, it's not a case of them being in a position to dictate to a skilled professional where he/she would like to work, he/she will decide for themselves where they want to work, you can pick & choose if you are highly skilled, what they would probably do, in the event of a skill shortage is enhance the current package to minimise that possibility, we can also refuse to issue visas whenever we see fit without a reason.

I suspect quite a lot of people “seem to think too deep” in your opinion.

You’re still not getting that we won’t get the trade deals we will desperately need without offering visas for low-skilled workers in return. Of course we can refuse to issue them, but then we’ll have no international trade, no businesses paying tax, and you’ll see just how far above “rock bottom” even the poorest in our society currently are.

NB - I have simplified that last paragraph a little, because that appears to be how you prefer things (although it’s not how the world is, I’m afraid).

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Your original post on this thread (today) included a whinge about the nasty remainers calling the poor little brexiters nasty names, which somehow is undermining Brexit (I’m not sure how, to be honest). I replied, and your next post to me was calling me a nasty name - one which combines an insult about cerebral palsy sufferers with the word “retard”, which is a mite more offensive than calling someone “stupid” or a “snowflake”, imo.

Can you see the hypocrisy now? Or do I need to draw you a picture, snowflake?

You can draw whatever you like, the point still stands that the mudslinging from both sides has been shocking and uncalled for.

That clear enough for you sunshine or do you need a diagram in crayon?

[martin_p]

Marty if somebody gives you an answer that you don't like. It's not "wriggling". It's an answer you don't like.


I'd prefer the Ceaseless Remoaners ( labour and tory) to have accepted the referendum result. They haven't and they've done everything in their grasp to frustrate, undermine and thwart the process from day one. Consequently, May has had to have appeased their relentless hindering. To such an extent that the , Merkel approved deal, is what it is. A Brexit in name only.

Your and my views are irrelevant Marty. Those of the 17.4 million leave voters matter. By being seen as the duplicitous parlimentarians that facilitated The Establishments Brexit, Adonis's Brexit, Campbells and worst of all the War Criminal Tony Bliars Brexit. They just increased the chances of what the establishment will no doubt call a "populist party" doing very well at future ballot boxes.

Every cloud!

So given you’re unhappy that the ‘ceaseless remoaners’ voted against May’s deal would you have preferred them to have voted for it? A simple yes/no answer will do thanks.