Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020

[Imploding Turtle]

You can draw whatever you like, the point still stands that the mudslinging from both sides has been shocking and uncalled for.

That clear enough for you sunshine or do you need a diagram in crayon?

Complains about mudslinging.
Engages in mudslinging.

All in one post.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Just to add, your original post didn’t contain any hint of a suggestion that it’s the fault of both sides (and we all know how much you like that argument - I reckon if a murder victim bruised their attacker, you’d claim fault on both sides) - it laid the blame squarely at the feet of remainers.

Really classy trying to use murder as a comparison, but hardly a shock.

I'll happily lay blame with brexiteers if it makes you feel that little bit better.

They've been absolutely useless in all this, no backbone, no idea and toothless over the whole thing.
Those involved with it need firing out of office because they're clearly incapable.

They'll spout off about doing this, that and the sodding other but two years down the line and it's been a total embarrassment.

Like I said, I'll happily blame both sides for the mess, because both sides have been utter incompetent.

Happy now?

[Greenmile]

You can draw whatever you like, the point still stands that the mudslinging from both sides has been shocking and uncalled for.

That clear enough for you sunshine or do you need a diagram in crayon?

But no matter how shocking it may be to your delicate sensibilities, the mudslinging isn’t undermining Brexit, and when you join in with said mudslinging after criticising it, that makes you a hypocrite.

Now me on the other hand, I have no problem with calling stupid people stupid, or calling the easily upset and offended “snowflakes”, so I can do that without being a hypocrite.

I do have a problem with insults based around the afflictions of disabled people, which is why you’ll never see me calling anyone a “belmtard”. You may think that makes me a snowflake - I don’t care.

[RingoMcCartney]

Once again your attention to detail shows you up

You clearly do irony like you do detail and research.

You don't.

Look at my post 2359.

It simply asks the question - " did the vast majority of labour MPs vote to have an eu referendum."

 Yes or no?

You answered "no". Then bleated on about "The bill was introduced to the House of Commons by Philip Hammond, Foreign Secretary on 28 May 2015][3] The Act was subsequently passed by 316-53 votes (a turnout of 58.5%) on its third reading in the Commons on 7 September 2015 - how many Labour MPs voted for the referendum???

No, belated, goal post shifting stipulation, as to whether, the stage in parliamentary procedure they voted,  it passed into law, or not. Just a straight forward . "did the vast majority of labour MPs vote to have an eu referendum?

And your lack of detail and research overlooked that crucial date 9th June 2015. Had you not you'd have missed this-

MPs have OVERWHELMINGLY backed plans for a referendum on the UK's membership of the European Union.

The vote, which followed the first debate on the EU Referendum Bill, means the legislation moves to the next stage of its progress through Parliament.

Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said a "generation" had been denied a say on the UK's place in Europe, and the public must now have the "final say".

MPs voted by 544 to 53 (nearly all SNP) in favour of the motion

BBC Chris Mason, BBC political correspondent confirmed.

"You don't need a doctorate in mathematics to work out this was a Commons majority of rather a lot.

With 650 MPs in the House of Commons, persuading 84% of them to vote the same way is quite something.

In fact, such an achievement the result was held up because of the length of the queue of those wanting to ENDORSE the idea of an EU referendum!"

How did it happen?Labour campaigned before the general election against the idea of a referendum, saying it would be destabilising. But after what amounted, to them, to be a rather destabilising appointment with the electorate, they have changed their mind in defeat."



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[Lancasterclaret]

Has anyone contacted Lab HQ to tell them about this, er, "smoking gun" Ringo?

[Greenmile]

Really classy trying to use murder as a comparison, but hardly a shock.

I'll happily lay blame with brexiteers if it makes you feel that little bit better.

They've been absolutely useless in all this, no backbone, no idea and toothless over the whole thing.
Those involved with it need firing out of office because they're clearly incapable.

They'll spout off about doing this, that and the sodding other but two years down the line and it's been a total embarrassment.

Like I said, I'll happily blame both sides for the mess, because both sides have been utter incompetent.

Happy now?

Of course you’ll blame both sides, despite only one side actually being at fault, because that’s what you do, hence my murder analogy, which was hyperbole, but has obviously obviously upset your delicate snowflake mind. Did the nasty remainer make you think about a nasty murderer?

[Imploding Turtle]

Really classy trying to use murder as a comparison, but hardly a shock.

I'll happily lay blame with brexiteers if it makes you feel that little bit better.

They've been absolutely useless in all this, no backbone, no idea and toothless over the whole thing.
Those involved with it need firing out of office because they're clearly incapable.

They'll spout off about doing this, that and the sodding other but two years down the line and it's been a total embarrassment.

Like I said, I'll happily blame both sides for the mess, because both sides have been utter incompetent.

Happy now?

He's not comparing it to murder. Only someone trying to avoid acknowledging the point of the analogy being drawn would claim that he was.

[aggi]

You asked a question. I answered it, and what is becoming an increasingly common habit with Remoaners. You don't like that answer and either claim your question is being answered or a whole plethora of falsehoods. 

To paraphrase Fleetwood mac. 

"Don't ask me what I think of you. I might give you answers you don't want me to."

Here's my answer.

Brexiteers ( tory and labour) that voted it down did so because they see it as brexit in name only. Given they stood on a manifesto that pledged to leave the European Union . Voted to trigger article 50 and enshrine leaving the EU on March 29th into law. They are, in my view being consistent and honourable.

Remoaner ( tory and labour) that voted it down, were being opportunistic and doing what they've down throughout the negotiations. Going back on the manifesto pledges on which they were elected. And despite the vast majority of MPs ( tory and labour) voting to trigger article 50, and voting for an eu referendum in the first place. They're clearly wanting to thwart, undermine and in most cases stop the uk ever leaving the EU. They are in my view, duplicitous, dishonourable and helping to ferment a deep, long term, even permanent, mistrust of politicians, parliament and democracy itself.

Like it or lump it.

I accept your answer, I just thought that you might want a chance to show that you're not a hypocrite. However, you're sticking with the hypocrite stance so that's fine.

It was a binary vote to leave so there is a mandate for any form of leaving (including no deal) unless Ringo doesn't like it and then the vote wasn't for that. Fair enough.

[martin_p]

Marty if somebody gives you an answer that you don't like. It's not "wriggling". It's an answer you don't like.


I'd prefer the Ceaseless Remoaners ( labour and tory) to have accepted the referendum result. They haven't and they've done everything in their grasp to frustrate, undermine and thwart the process from day one. Consequently, May has had to have appeased their relentless hindering. To such an extent that the , Merkel approved deal, is what it is. A Brexit in name only.

Your and my views are irrelevant Marty. Those of the 17.4 million leave voters matter. By being seen as the duplicitous parlimentarians that facilitated The Establishments Brexit, Adonis's Brexit, Campbells and worst of all the War Criminal Tony Bliars Brexit. They just increased the chances of what the establishment will no doubt call a "populist party" doing very well at future ballot boxes.

Every cloud!

So given you’re unhappy that the ‘ceaseless remoaners’ voted against May’s deal would you have preferred them to have voted for it? A simple yes/no answer will do thanks.

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

Brexit is dead, dead as a dodo.

All deals and no deal will be voted down and in the two-year extension the EU gives there will be a second referendum.

You can get back to hating foreigners and not being able to do anything about it again.

[Rick_Muller]

QUESTION- How do you keep an idiot in suspense?

I'll let you look forward to my answer....

not heard that one since primary school, well done for the trip down memory lane

[Lowbankclaret]

Brexit is dead, dead as a dodo.

All deals and no deal will be voted down and in the two-year extension the EU gives there will be a second referendum.

You can get back to hating foreigners and not being able to do anything about it again.

I think your statement is slightly premature!

The next few weeks will however provide some clarity.

[Jakubclaret]

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.

Somebody tell these people.

True, it's difficult to answer questions when people don't wish to accept the answers, how such a simple concept has somehow inexplicably been made complicated is bizarre to say the least, we know well some of us do acknowledge what the problems are & some refuse to acknowledge them, people in denial can somehow come to terms with fiction i guess if you try hard enough. You've just got to allow it to go over your head & then at least the entertainment factor is the consolation, otherwise taking it at face value or any sense of seriousness you'd end up in mental asylum.

[Guich]

Brexit is dead, dead as a dodo.

All deals and no deal will be voted down and in the two-year extension the EU gives there will be a second referendum.

You can get back to hating foreigners and not being able to do anything about it again.

Come on now T-Rex - speaking as a remain voter, all this calling Brexit Voters (not just you btw) racist is a bit tired.

Who knows how many Brexit voters are actually racist? Even if there are as many as 100,000 then that leaves 17.3 million who aren't. By the 2019 definition of racism I'd say the whole electorate has some racism in them. For my part, I can't stand deep pan pizzas and blame Americans for that.

One things for sure though, I bet there's a good few million remain voters who hate the working class.

[Lancasterclaret]

You do realise what you've done there Guich I take it?

Moaned about a sweeping generalisation and then added one of your own?

[Damo]

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It looks like we leave with no deal in 30 days after all

[Lancasterclaret]

I'd be panicking then if there wasn't other options we can take first.

[Lancasterclaret]

UK Government is going to ask for one whatever.

We'll have to make concessions (again) but it will still be better than a "No Deal"

This is looking worse and worse.

If it goes to a 2nd ref, absolutely no chance Brexit wins now, which should put the required pressure on the ERG to vote for the deal.

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[Spiral]

That A50 could only be extended in the event of a significant paradigm shift in the UK (usually taken to read as GE or 2nd ref.) has been the position of the EU for some considerable time.

(Edited for clarity.)

[Lowbankclaret]

Listened to 5 hours of parliament today.
Not learnt anything new.
Still not seen Our MP say a word.

Could be some interesting votes in the next few hours.

It is I have to say mind blowingly boring listening to repeat comment after repeat comment.

[Spiral]

That isn't good for your health, Lowbank. 90% of what happens in the chamber is theatre, 9% of it is constitutional levers and buttons in service of said theatre, about 0.5% is feigned indignation and grandstanding and the final half a percent is actual substance. While I can appreciate how hearing your MP speak up might be a positive thing, Julie Cooper (I assume she's your MP) is a junior MP following the whip and there's little she could say that isn't a meaningless soundbyte that deviates from the party line (whatever that is today). For your own sake, you need to stop feeling jilted.

[Lowbankclaret]

Listening to the words again from the Brexit Secretary , whilst the PM has said No Deal stays on the table.

I concede a No Deal Brexit is effectively dead.

[Lancasterclaret]

Got to agree with Spiral Lowbank

This situation is ideal for twitter, so you follow a political commentator who just tells you what you need to know in bite sized chunks.

And for the benefit of Darth, they are actually real people! telling people real news! Live! And experts too!

[Lowbankclaret]

That isn't good for your health, Lowbank. 90% of what happens in the chamber is theatre, 9% of it is constitutional levers and buttons in service of said theatre, about 0.5% is feigned indignation and grandstanding and the final half a percent is actual substance. While I can appreciate how hearing your MP speak up might be a positive thing, Julie Cooper (I assume she's your MP) is a junior MP following the whip and there's little she could say that isn't a meaningless soundbyte that deviates from the party line (whatever that is today). For your own sake, you need to stop feeling jilted.

To be fair the reason I am listening/watching is that I am unwell. I don’t think it’s helping me get better too much to be fair.

There have been a lot of backbench meaningless speeches, I am sure she could attempt one herself.

I think your percentages are about correct too.

[Spiral]

You'll like this speech by Cooper from last year.

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[Lowbankclaret]

Labour amendment defeated.
Labour will move more towards another referendum now.
SNP amendment being voted on, that amendment is that the UK cannot leave without a deal under any circumstances.

This could be an interesting result.

[Burnley Ace]

You clearly do irony like you do detail and research.

You don't.

Look at my post 2359.

The vote, which followed the first debate on the EU Referendum Bill, means the legislation moves to the next stage of its progress through Parliament

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I was giving you the benefit the doubt but really it’s just your ignorance. You have even answered the question yourself. They voted AFTER THE FIRST DEBATE to move it to the next stage, they DIDN’T VOTE to make it an Act.

Lack of research or your lack of understanding, who knows but the record is there for everyone to see, there’s no point trying to argue otherwise. You made a little mistake in not expressing yourself properly, move on Ringo I’m sure I’ll spot another one soon.

[AndyClaret]

Labour amendment defeated.
Labour will move more towards another referendum now.
SNP amendment being voted on, that amendment is that the UK cannot leave without a deal under any circumstances.

This could be an interesting result.

SNP defeated.

[Lowbankclaret]

Yes kinda surprised me that one.
I thought there was a majority of MP’s who would vote for removal of No Deal.

Probably whipped to follow the party line.

[Lowbankclaret]

Not sure what Yvette cooper is trying to achieve with her amendment, gov already conceded to her demands.

[Jakubclaret]

Complains about mudslinging.
Engages in mudslinging.

All in one post.

That's rich.

[Imploding Turtle]

That's rich.

Yes. That was the point of my post.

[Jakubclaret]

Yes. That was the point of my post.

Aye alright, 1 day when you mature you will look back on some of the things you post i guarantee, be good.

[Lowbankclaret]

Like I said pointless, 20 people voted against.

[Imploding Turtle]

Aye alright, 1 day when you mature you will look back on some of the things you post i guarantee, be good.

This statement means literally nothing.

[Jakubclaret]

This statement means literally nothing.

It wouldn't not yet.

[ClaretAndJew]

I can look back on my posts, mature or not.

[Jakubclaret]

I can look back on my posts, mature or not.

Nice 1.

[Imploding Turtle]

It wouldn't not yet.

It doesn't mean anything now, or in the future, because it's incoherent nonsense. Or it's just incomplete.

But as for your "that's rich" comment. I've no problem slinging mud back at people who sling it at me. What i was pointing out, and what apparently you were incapable of understanding, was that Sidney was trying to play both sides by both slinging mud AND complaining about people who sling mud.

And because i still don't think you understand i'll make it clearer - I was calling him a hypocrite. (I'm still not confident you understand, but that's ok)

[Jakubclaret]

It doesn't mean anything now, or in the future, because it's incoherent nonsense. Or it's just incomplete.

But as for your "that's rich" comment. I've no problem slinging mud back at people who sling it at me. What i was pointing out, and what apparently you were incapable of understanding, was that Sidney was trying to play both sides by both slinging mud AND complaining about people who sling mud.

And because i still don't think you understand i'll make it clearer - I was calling him a hypocrite. (I'm still not confident you understand, but that's ok)

I understand perfectly but i also understand better the responses to the origin from where it started. Sometimes it's just better to stand down or ignore as I'm doing now, I'll let you ram on regardless.

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

...and Parliament takes over

The same majority that passed the Cooper amendment will be the same lot who vote down two out of the coming three motions including the "meaningful vote" on May's hilarious deal.

There'll be no deal for May's deal, no deal for no deal and a lengthy extension until the whole thing is sh1tcanned

Adios Brexit, it was fun while it lasted.

[Pstotto]

The decline in standards and the shocking state of the country now. The filth let in and to run it. It's the rape of Britain for a third world turd world corruption nightmare.

Book your tickets to Baku for the Eurasia Cup Final and (on the same longitude as Afghanistan.)

[ClaretAndJew]

The decline in standards and the shocking state of the country now. The filth let in and to run it. It's the rape of Britain for a third world turd world corruption nightmare.

Book your tickets to Baku for the Eurasia Cup Final and (on the same longitude as Afghanistan.)

What standards? Which filth? Who's come in to the country to run it?

[Pstotto]

OK. an example. August 2017, centre of Canterbury 180 serious assaults or sexual offenses. 2018, same month 300. Crime of that ilk nearly double in one year.

Greens or browns at Towneley pitch and putt. No tennis.

The list goes on. You, C & J are blind.

[Pstotto]

A government that accepts the Irish back stop (its drivel as politics)?????????? An EU that would sanction it??????????????

The opium war has been lost. Looks like it IS Parliament Funkadelic. IS and look at it.

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

In poker parlance the government just folded before the final hand.

The clue was in the Costa amendment, an important card was played early.

The ERG only has 20-60 votes, it can't prevent an extension and it can't force a no-deal.

Theresa May's plan won't pass because neither will no-deal so it's back to Europe to beg for an extension, the EU will say it has to be for two years.

In that time there will be another vote which remain will win easily.

Brexit is dead dead dead.

At least the leave voters of Burnley have a while to save up to storm Parliament in a fit of right-wing rage.

By my reckoning 50p of income support put aside every week and the likes of Wrongo should be able to afford the trip to London by the time the whole thing is officially canceled.

19 Billion (and counting) wasted on this crap.

In other good news, the privately funded case against Boris Johnson, for lying on a bus (alleged offence of misconduct in public office), was taken to Westminster Court a few days ago...

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[Lancasterclaret]

Interesting (and good) from the Norway Sovereign Wealth fund

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1101022036531523585" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Course, its an economic forecast and we ignore them right?

[nil_desperandum]

Like I said pointless, 20 people voted against.

No - important (IMO) as May has proved in the past not to be completely reliable when it comes to keeping pledges, (she often seems oblivious to reality), but this clear parliamentary majority means she'll find it virtually impossible to wriggle on this one.

[Guich]

Interesting (and good) from the Norway Sovereign Wealth fund

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Course, its an economic forecast and we ignore them right?

Yes, I noticed that this morning (as I was helping my lad on his paper round). Interesting for balance, who knows how much the influx of European asset managers and wealth funds into the UK might mitigate any negative impacts of Brexit?

There's still a huge amount unknown, not least the future economic health of other big states in the EU.

Can the politicians on either side put aside politics for a moment and make this work?

Tune in around 2020 to find out....

[summitclaret]

Trex you are forgetting that the hardcore ERG and the DUP have the power to end the May government. Now that Corbyn is losing his power the latter are far more likely to do it. So the solution will be one that the hardcore vote for. The only way to leave now and move on is for Cox to say that the backtrap is not permanent.

The biggest threat to our economy is the delay caused by extending A50 and in particular a second referendum. The best you would ever get is a win and then having to win a third one. By then there would be no manufacturing sector left.