More post brexit referendum good news!!!!

[Guich]

Well there you go. Thanks. Just goes to show you should read a thread before joining in.

[Lancasterclaret]

I'm saying the slippery road to tyranny and dictatorship begins when politicians, using democratic means, push the, there is no alternative and promise "final remedys"

History proves it......

It certainly does, which is why I'm so against Brexit Ringo. When a country ignores problems and blames it all on other things (in nazi germany, the Jews, in the UK, the EU, immigration) then populism can get out of control.

[Greenmile]

Its like the scene from Father Ted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMiKyfd6hA0

See post 1096 on this very thread.

Just goes to show that the specifics may change, but trying to explain simple concepts to Ringo is like banging your head against a brick wall.

[Lancasterclaret]

Wonderful news - the % increases if we manage the trade deals with all those countries that Brexiteers fawn over isn't anything to write home about.

0.1-0.4% with China, same with US, 0.1% with Aus & others

its almost like it makes more sense to trade with the bloc next door to you.......

[RingoMcCartney]

The stats are clear, but don’t necessarily give you the answer you want. There was no clear majority for either leave or remain in Burnley amongst those eligible to vote. So assuming you are including those that didn’t vote in your definition of ‘Burnleyite’ then the answer is that it is impossible to tell!

Greetings from the A1M Marty!!!

What does it say above my, majority denying and common sense-lacking, friend?!

"There was no clear majority for either leave or remain in Burnley amongst those eligible to vote. "

I've just shown it the lads in the car your comment. They're laughing as much as I did!

At least if we get beat we can try n chear ourselves up on the way back down, by going through your insane North Korean, style democracy denying garbage eh!?

Now I've bumped up your hilarious claim that, "there was no clear majority" despite a 66.6 % 33.4% split in Burnley referendum result, Meaning as a Leaver, the clear majority share my view.

Now stop watching the Pyongyang Athletic game and post up your equally ridiculous lie where you claimed i said "because people didn't vote to brexit they're not fit to call themselves "Burnleyites"

Where is it Marty? Step up to plate tiger!

[bluelabrador16]

Lancasterclaret

"When a country ignores problems and blames it all on other things (in nazi germany, the Jews, in the UK, the EU, immigration) then populism can get out of control."

https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scrip ... ecwar.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Jewish Declaration of War on Nazi Germany
The Economic Boycott of 1933

[evensteadiereddie]

"Even on the eve of the Battle of Britain in 1940, he was urging Winston Churchill’s Government to reach a peace deal with Hitler’s regime."

I'll get this in early just in case you get stroppy at being challenged again, RM, but I have to say this is not personal so just deliver and leave the rest of the nonsense out.
Can you give some evidence of this ? I'd like to put Kerr's " surrendering monkeyism" into some kind of context.
Cheers.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Wonderful news - the % increases if we manage the trade deals with all those countries that Brexiteers fawn over isn't anything to write home about.

0.1-0.4% with China, same with US, 0.1% with Aus & others

its almost like it makes more sense to trade with the bloc next door to you.......

Just logged on to see the team news and got so fed up as a result decided to check this thread instead.

To me, these latest Buzzfeed disclosures convince me that the civil service economists who pulled this rabbit out of the hat have failed to see past their own biases.

Certainly I have to make an effort to do that in the field of health economics which I dabble in now and again. The future can be so uncertain that the % chance of things happening that we apply needs rigorous challenge, which of course is what the MPs Brexit Committee are to do - it simply has been leaked as a pre challenge first draft to deliberately give it a life of its own, which again, adds to my cynicism that it is a load of cobblers (or, why not wait?).

I’m sure this will be dismissed by Remain enthusiasts as a paranoid anti establishment rant, but it was my instinct in the Spring 2016 Treasury paper and was proven right, and it’s my instinct again.

Now, let’s see if this set of papers passes ministerial scrutiny - if it is revised upwards, there is the evidence that what I say above is right, which given the importance should see that bunch of economists get the heave ho. Let’s wait a month or two and find out.

[Greenmile]

Just logged on to see the team news and got so fed up as a result decided to check this thread instead.

To me, these latest Buzzfeed disclosures convince me that the civil service economists who pulled this rabbit out of the hat have failed to see past their own biases.

Certainly I have to make an effort to do that in the field of health economics which I dabble in now and again. The future can be so uncertain that the % chance of things happening that we apply needs rigorous challenge, which of course is what the MPs Brexit Committee are to do - it simply has been leaked as a pre challenge first draft to deliberately give it a life of its own, which again, adds to my cynicism that it is a load of cobblers (or, why not wait?).

I’m sure this will be dismissed by Remain enthusiasts as a paranoid anti establishment rant, but it was my instinct in the Spring 2016 Treasury paper and was proven right, and it’s my instinct again.

Now, let’s see if this set of papers passes ministerial scrutiny - if it is revised upwards, there is the evidence that what I say above is right, which given the importance should see that bunch of economists get the heave ho. Let’s wait a month or two and find out.

Bloody experts, failing to see past their own biases. Not like you, Crosspool, eh?

[bluelabrador16]

"In this hour I feel it to be my duty before my own conscience to appeal once more to reason and common sense in Great Britain as much as elsewhere. I consider myself in a position to make this appeal, since I am not the vanquished, begging favors, but the victor speaking in the name of reason. I can see no reason why this war must go on. I am grieved to think of the sacrifices it will claim.

I should like to avert them. As for my own people, I know that millions of German men, young and old alike, are burning with the desire to settle accounts with the enemy who for the second time has declared war upon us for no reason whatever. But I also know that at home there are many women and mothers who, ready as they are to sacrifice all they have in life, yet are bound to it by their heartstrings.

Possibly Mr. Churchill again will brush aside this statement of mine by saying that it is merely born of fear and of doubt in our final victory. In that case I shall have relieved my conscience in regard to the things to come.”

[Lancasterclaret]

I'm not doubting your expertise in this field CC, and I too have only logged after going "Sigh" at the team!

But my instincts have been since Day 1 that this is going to be an economic clusterfuck, and everything is still pointing that way.

[martin_p]

Greetings from the A1M Marty!!!

What does it say above my, majority denying and common sense-lacking, friend?!

"There was no clear majority for either leave or remain in Burnley amongst those eligible to vote. "

I've just shown it the lads in the car your comment. They're laughing as much as I did!

At least if we get beat we can try n chear ourselves up on the way back down, by going through your insane North Korean, style democracy denying garbage eh!?

Now I've bumped up your hilarious claim that, "there was no clear majority" despite a 66.6 % 33.4% split in Burnley referendum result, Meaning as a Leaver, the clear majority share my view.

Now stop watching the Pyongyang Athletic game and post up your equally ridiculous lie where you claimed i said "because people didn't vote to brexit they're not fit to call themselves "Burnleyites"

Where is it Marty? Step up to plate tiger!

Keep trying Ringo. Good luck.

[dsr]

[quote="bluelabrador16"][/quote]
Bilious hatred combined with abject ignorance. You are just the sort of person Hitler drew his support from.

[evensteadiereddie]

I don't see any appeasement or any form of monkey surrendering from Kerr in that speech, bluelab, do you ?

[RingoMcCartney]

"Even on the eve of the Battle of Britain in 1940, he was urging Winston Churchill’s Government to reach a peace deal with Hitler’s regime."

I'll get this in early just in case you get stroppy at being challenged again, RM, but I have to say this is not personal so just deliver and leave the rest of the nonsense out.
Can you give some evidence of this ? I'd like to put Kerr's " surrendering monkeyism" into some kind of context.
Cheers.

“National sovereignty is the root cause of the most crying evils of our times….The only final remedy for this evil is the federal union of the peoples.” Kerr

This quote is placed on a plaque in a prominent position at the entrance of the swanky multi million pound tax payer funded EU visitor centre.

It's sinister and tells you all you need to know about the europhiles plan for a super state and the destruction of sovereignty and nation states.

I'm of the opinion he was an appeaser. You may not. It's not relevant.

What is, are his sinister use of the phrase "final remedy" and the EUs decision to promote his potential tyrannical attitude to people and the view that there could actually possible be an alternative to their world view. Believing there is no alternative produces dictators like Kim Jung Uns? Stalins Hitlers, Pol pots,

[UpTheBeehole]

Imagine being a snowflake over the term Final Remedy, the title of a 1909 book.

[Lancasterclaret]

Getting annoyed now

Gov want full access for the financial firms, but still (after all this time and being told by literally everyone who knows what they are talking about) thinks they can negotiate that whilst cutting the rights of EU workers who come here.

Its wasting everybody's time, but hey, at least it keeps Farage quiet.

[RingoMcCartney]

Well there you go. Thanks. Just goes to show you should read a thread before joining in.

When Martin p says it's "'a quote from a British diplomat from 1939."

He's right. But old Marty is only telling you half of the truth. He does this a lot.

“National sovereignty is the root cause of the most crying evils of our times….The only final remedy for this evil is the federal union of the peoples.” 

Now, if a long forgotten opinion of a 1930s diplomat, was just that, then, that would be fine. However, to place it on a plaque, in a place of obvious prominence, at the entrance of the new EU visitors centre looks to me like they've adopted it as some kind of mission statement.

Any politician offering a "final remedy", is potentially, a very dangerous politician, in my view. To be committed to destroying national sovereignty of nations, any "final remedy", should be challenged and highlighted.

Hope that helps to give the statement more fuller, honest context.

[UpTheBeehole]

Are any politicians offering a final remedy?

[UpTheBeehole]

What's your opinion of Winston Churchill Ringo?

Do you agree with him when he said WE MUST BUILD A UNITED STATES OF EUROPE?

Mr Winston Churchill speaking in Zurich
I9th September 1946.


I WISH TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY about the tragedy of Europe.
This noble continent, comprising on the whole the fairest and the most cultivated regions of the earth; enjoying a temperate and equable climate, is the home of all the great parent races of the western world. It is the fountain of Christian faith and Christian ethics. It is the origin of most of the culture, arts, philosophy and science both of ancient and modem times.

If Europe were once united in the sharing of its common inheritance, there would be no limit to the happiness, to the prosperity and glory which its three or four hundred million people would enjoy. Yet it is from Europe that have sprung that series of frightful nationalistic quarrels, originated by the Teutonic nations, which we have seen even in this twentieth century and in our own lifetime, wreck the peace and mar the prospects of all mankind.

And what is the plight to which Europe has been reduced?

Some of the smaller States have indeed made a good recovery, but over wide areas a vast quivering mass of tormented, hungry, care-worn and bewildered human beings gape at the ruins of their cities and homes, and scan the dark horizons for the approach of some new peril, tyranny or terror.

Among the victors there is a babel of jarring voices; among the vanquished the sullen silence of despair.

That is all that Europeans, grouped in so many ancient States and nations, that is all that the Germanic Powers have got by tearing each other to pieces and spreading havoc far and wide.

Indeed, but for the fact that the great Republic across the Atlantic Ocean has at length realised that the ruin or enslavement of Europe would involve their own fate as well, and has stretched out hands of succour and guidance, the Dark Ages would have returned in all their cruelty and squalor.

They may still return.

Yet all the while there is a remedy which, if it were generally and spontaneously adopted, would as if by a miracle transform the whole scene, and would in a few years make all Europe, or the greater part of it, as free and as happy as Switzerland is today.

What is this sovereign remedy?

It is to re-create the European Family, or as much of it as we can, and provide it with a structure under which it can dwell in peace, in safety and in freedom.

We must build a kind of United States of Europe.

In this way only will hundreds of millions of toilers be able to regain the simple joys and hopes which make life worth living.

The process is simple.

All that is needed is the resolve of hundreds of millions of men and women to do right instead of wrong, and gain as their reward, blessing instead of cursing.

Much work has been done upon this task by the exertions of the Pan-European Union which owes so much to Count Coudenhove-Kalergi and which commanded the services of the famous French patriot and statesman, Aristide Briand.

There is also that immense body of doctrine and procedure, which was brought into being amid high hopes after the First World War, as the League of Nations.

The League of Nations did not fail because of its principles or conceptions. It failed because these principles were deserted by those States who had brought it into being. It failed because the Governments of those days feared to face the facts and act while time remained. This disaster must not be repeated. There is, therefore, much knowledge and material with which to build; and also bitter dear-bought experience.

I was very glad to read in the newspapers two days ago that my friend President Truman had expressed his interest and sympathy with this great design.

There is no reason why a regional organisation of Europe should in any way conflict with the world organisation of the United Nations. On the contrary, I believe that the larger synthesis will only survive if it is founded upon coherent natural groupings.

There is already a natural grouping in the Western Hemisphere. We British have our own Commonwealth of Nations. These do not weaken, on the contrary they strengthen, the world organisation. They are in fact its main support.

And why should there not be a European group which could give a sense of enlarged patriotism and common citizenship to the distracted peoples of this turbulent and mighty continent and why should it not take its rightful place with other great groupings in shaping the destinies of men?

In order that this should be accomplished, there must be an act of faith in which millions of families speaking many languages must consciously take part.

We all know that the two world wars through which we have passed arose out of the vain passion of a newly united Germany to play the dominating part in the world.

In this last struggle crimes and massacres have been committed for which there is no parallel since the invasions of the Mongols in the fourteenth century and no equal at any time in human history.

The guilty must be punished. Germany must be deprived of the power to rearm and make another aggressive war.

But when all this has been done, as it will be done, as it is being done, there must be an end to retribution. There must be what Mr Gladstone many years ago called 'a blessed act of oblivion'.

We must all turn our backs upon the horrors of the past. We must look to the future. We cannot afford to drag forward across the years that are to come the hatreds and revenges which have sprung from the injuries of the past.

If Europe is to be saved from infinite misery, and indeed from final doom, there must be an act of faith in the European family and an act of oblivion against all the crimes and follies of the past.

Can the free peoples of Europe rise to the height of these resolves of the soul and instincts of the spirit of man?

If they can, the wrongs and injuries which have been inflicted will have been washed away on all sides by the miseries which have been endured.

Is there any need for further floods of agony?

Is it the only lesson of history that mankind is unteachable?

Let there be justice, mercy and freedom.

The peoples have only to will it, and all will achieve their hearts' desire.

I am now going to say something that will astonish you.

The first step in the re-creation of the European family must be a partnership between France and Germany.

In this way only can France recover the moral leadership of Europe.

There can be no revival of Europe without a spiritually great France and a spiritually great Germany.

The structure of the United States of Europe, if well and truly built, will be such as to make the material strength of a single state less important. Small nations will count as much as large ones and gain their honour by their contribution to the common cause.

The ancient states and principalities of Germany, freely joined together for mutual convenience in a federal system, might each take their individual place among the United States of Europe. I shall not try to make a detailed programme for hundreds of millions of people who want to be happy and free, prosperous and safe, who wish to enjoy the four freedoms of which the great President Roosevelt spoke, and live in accordance with the principles embodied in the Atlantic Charter. If this is their wish, they have only to say so, and means can certainly be found, and machinery erected, to carry that wish into full fruition.

But I must give you warning. Time may be short.

At present there is a breathing-space. The cannon have ceased firing. The fighting has stopped; but the dangers have not stopped.

If we are to form the United States of Europe or whatever name or form it may take, we must begin now.

In these present days we dwell strangely and precariously under the shield and protection of the atomic bomb. The atomic bomb is still only in the hands of a State and nation which we know will never use it except in the cause of right and freedom. But it may well be that in a few years this awful agency of destruction will be widespread and the catastrophe following from its use by several warring nations will not only bring to an end all that we call civilisation, but may possibly disintegrate the globe itself.

I must now sum up the propositions which are before you.

Our constant aim must be to build and fortify the strength of the United Nations Organisation.

Under and within that world concept, we must re-create the European family in a regional structure called, it may be, the United States of Europe.

The first step is to form a Council of Europe.

If at first all the States of Europe are not willing or able to join the Union, we must nevertheless proceed to assemble and combine those who will and those who can.

The salvation of the common people of every race and of every land from war or servitude must be established on solid foundations and must be guarded by the readiness of all men and women to die rather than submit to tyranny.

In all this urgent work, France and Germany must take the lead together.

Great Britain, the British Commonwealth of Nations, mighty America, and I trust Soviet Russia - for then indeed all would be well - must be the friends and sponsors of the new Europe and must champion its right to live and shine.

[aggi]

I don't know why I've not seen it before, Ringo is Leo McKinstry, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01 ... azism/amp/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[dsr]

Very few Brexiteers have any objection to a United States of Europe as proposed by Churchill. It's the idea that we should be in it that's offputting.

[UpTheBeehole]

Very few Brexiteers have any objection to a United States of Europe as proposed by Churchill. It's the idea that we should be in it that's offputting.

We f*cking proposed it!

[dsr]

Churchill's proposal did not have Great Britain or the Commonwealth, or for that matter the United States or USSR, as members.

[aggi]

"Even on the eve of the Battle of Britain in 1940, he was urging Winston Churchill’s Government to reach a peace deal with Hitler’s regime."

I'll get this in early just in case you get stroppy at being challenged again, RM, but I have to say this is not personal so just deliver and leave the rest of the nonsense out.
Can you give some evidence of this ? I'd like to put Kerr's " surrendering monkeyism" into some kind of context.
Cheers.

I'll happily bet that you won't get an answer to this.

[Lancasterclaret]

thats because it wasn't the commonwealth when he spoke about it, it was still the Empire with the Dominions of Aus, SA and NZ.

And he wanted to avoid the spectre of European war again, which is exactly what the EU stands for as well.

Anyone who thinks that individual nation states in Europe means that its less likely to see conflict needs a lesson in basic history.

[Lancasterclaret]

I have to admit, a lot of the issues we have with this are because we take quotes, attitudes and incidents made between 1939-1945 and then try to shoehorn them into the here and now.

No one can possibly know what Churchill would have made of the EU and our part in it. No one.

[dsr]

thats because it wasn't the commonwealth when he spoke about it, it was still the Empire with the Dominions of Aus, SA and NZ.

And he wanted to avoid the spectre of European war again, which is exactly what the EU stands for as well.

Anyone who thinks that individual nation states in Europe means that its less likely to see conflict needs a lesson in basic history.

Beehole's quoted Churchill as saying "the British Commonwealth of Nations", so semantic arguments about whether he should technically have called it a commonwealth are a bit unnecessary.

As for the idea of individual nation states, that's a very complex issue which I think you're oversimplifying. At the very least, the recent history of Yugoslavia shows that there are downsides to the squashing together of nation states if the people don't like it. For the EU to truly work, IMO, it would need to be driven by the people from below, not imposed by the politicians and beaurocrats from above.

[Lancasterclaret]

You use history to check for precedents.

I don't see an EU in the same way as an rearming Germany in 1936, or as an revolutionary France in the last eighteenth century.

I see the co-operation, the trade and overall prosperity of the EU worth more than any perceived loss of sovereignty, especially as the people claiming such a loss of sovereignty have motives that look suspicious as hell, and more importantly again, backed up by historical precedents.

[Lancasterclaret]

At the very least, the recent history of Yugoslavia shows that there are downsides to the squashing together of nation states if the people don't like it.

Yes, but what is the similarity between a Communist state made up of Slovenes, Croats, Serbs, Kosovans and Montenegrins, held together by the remarkable leadership of one man and only lasting whilst that remarkable man was alive to the EU?

There isn't one I'm afraid

For the EU to truly work, IMO, it would need to be driven by the people from below, not imposed by the politicians and beaurocrats from above.

Again, you are forgetting that the EU is not an autocratic super state, its a collection of democratically elected states with a democratically agreed agenda.

[RingoMcCartney]

I'll happily bet that you won't get an answer to this.

See post 2665 fella

[aggi]

See post 2665 fella

That's nothing to do with your assertion (well the one you copied and pasted verbatim) that "Even on the eve of the Battle of Britain in 1940, he was urging Winston Churchill’s Government to reach a peace deal with Hitler’s regime."

[RingoMcCartney]

That's nothing to do with your assertion (well the one you copied and pasted verbatim) that "Even on the eve of the Battle of Britain in 1940, he was urging Winston Churchill’s Government to reach a peace deal with Hitler’s regime."

You said " I'll happily bet that you won't get an answer to this."


In post 2665 I replied, and said "I'm of the opinion he was an appeaser. You may not. It's not relevant."

That was my answer. You may or may not like, or accept it.

But don't say I didn't answer.

[aggi]

You said " I'll happily bet that you won't get an answer to this."


In post 2665 I replied, and said "I'm of the opinion he was an appeaser. You may not. It's not relevant."

That was my answer. You may or may not like, or accept it.

But don't say I didn't answer.

So no evidence at all. I guess technically you answered the question in that you wrote something just not with an actual answer to the question asked.

Not surprising admittedly, you've proved many times that evidence supporting what you write is thin on the ground. That's the trouble with just regurgitating what you read on the internet.

[dsr]

Yes, but what is the similarity between a Communist state made up of Slovenes, Croats, Serbs, Kosovans and Montenegrins, held together by the remarkable leadership of one man and only lasting whilst that remarkable man was alive to the EU?

There isn't one I'm afraid

Again, you are forgetting that the EU is not an autocratic super state, its a collection of democratically elected states with a democratically agreed agenda.

I'm not forgetting that at all. The EU isn't like Yugoslavia because it is a collection of nation states. But if the EU becomes one nation and the nation states within it are abolished, then it has potential to become like Yugoslavia.

[Lancasterclaret]

Oh, that argument.

How many centuries is that away?

Indeed, just how likely is it with the increased membership of the EU, which includes many nations which have just become independent from Soviet domination. Nations whose membership we pushed for btw.

[dsr]

You're reading too much in. I'm not saying that war is likely, I'm saying that your suggestion that the individual nation states make conflict more likely is simplistic.

If the EU did not exist, I doubt that war would be likely - individual states or otherwise.

[evensteadiereddie]

On the money, there, aggi.
RM can find no evidence to support his "surrender monkey" claim.
These trashed claims/accusations - not necessarily made by him exclusively, I hasten to add - are becoming more and more common on here.

[Lancasterclaret]

More or less likely though?

Thats my point, history teaches us that its more likely (even though very unlikely, but everyone said that in 1925)

[Bordeauxclaret]

I've just shown it the lads in the car your comment. They're laughing as much as I did!

Did you confirmation of who they were laughing at?

Just checking.

[dsr]

More or less likely though?

Thats my point, history teaches us that its more likely (even though very unlikely, but everyone said that in 1925)

Too complex for that answer. A nation which is broadly united even if it is made up of different "races" (eg. USA) is unlikely to have a civil war; a nation which is not united (eg. Yugoslavia) is a lot more likely. Peoples who view themselves as a different race from their neighbours can (if they so wish) stir up trouble whether they're in the same country or a different country. Being in the same country makes it more likely that security services can squash it, but it makes it more likely that they will feel ignored (eg. Rwanda).

[Quickenthetempo]

Wonderful news - the % increases if we manage the trade deals with all those countries that Brexiteers fawn over isn't anything to write home about.

0.1-0.4% with China, same with US, 0.1% with Aus & others

its almost like it makes more sense to trade with the bloc next door to you.......

If there weren't loads of conditions that came with it we would happily do so.

Let's just hope the Chinese leave enough British Beef here so we can enjoy it.

[RingoMcCartney]

On the money, there, aggi.
RM can find no evidence to support his "surrender monkey" claim.
These trashed claims/accusations - not necessarily made by him exclusively, I hasten to add - are becoming more and more common on here.

What I find really interesting is this. Europhiles on here would rather obsess about whether some body who was attempting to persuade Churchill to acquiesce to Hitler decades ago. Can or cannot be described as an appeaser.


Instead , what is more pertinent to this brexit based thread is his attitude to national sovereignty. And willingness for the EU to adopt the same dangerous attitude.

“National sovereignty is the root cause of the most crying evils of our times….The only final remedy for this evil is the federal union of the peoples.” 

Consider this. It's was Churchills determination , backed by the brave men and women who fought valiantly in WW2, to preserve this country's national sovereignty, that means that we don't now live under a tyrannical dictator.

Yet the EU see fit to place a plaque, in a prominent position at the entrance of its visitors centre, that effectively pledges to bring an end the ability to stand up to similar potential dictorships in the future!

Similarly, when the Remoaner MPs, and Gina Miller, were arguing to get a vote in parliament recently. They claimed they were doing it for the sake of "parliamentary sovereignty"

I wonder how they'd feel about their demands for a vote, thereby, preserving "sovereignty", being described in Brussels as "the root cause of the most crying evils?" More concerning than that, is the claim, now being promoted and espoused in the EU, ( proven by the very fact they chose to put a plaque that proclaims it and the likes of Schultz and Macron trumpeting full blown federalism and integration) that they have a "final remedy" to stop it once and for all.

[UpTheBeehole]

The only people I can see complaining about this quote on a plaque are Patrick O'Flynn and Leo McKinstry.

Both swivel-eyed loons of the highest order.

No wonder Ringo picked up on it.

[quoonbeatz]

brexiters are proper tin foil hat wearers aren't they.

amusing to read.

[RingoMcCartney]

Did you confirmation of who they were laughing at?

Just checking.

Oh don't worry my little sniping from the sidelines friend. They were laughing heartily at the likes of Martin p and you.

The idiotic claim that in a town that voted 66.6 % to leave, you WOULDNT find more people that agreed with me and the way I voted, than those who voted Remain. Was met with a cacophony of disbelieving laughter!!!

Thanks for asking.

Talking if Martin p, anybody seen him? He promised he was going to bump up the post that showed that I said" if you didn't vote for brexit you can't call yourself a Burnleyite"

It's been nearly 24 hours since he made that claim. Still no comeback. Still no post showing I'd said it.

And it's a bit rich cos he wanted me to bump up the post that proved he'd claimed that "there was no clear majority!" Sorry, still cracks me up that one!

And I was true to my word I bumped it up.


Come on Marty where are You!?

[UpTheBeehole]

More people in Burnley didn't vote for Brexit than did vote for Brexit Ringo

[RingoMcCartney]

The stats are clear, but don’t necessarily give you the answer you want. There was no clear majority for either leave or remain in Burnley amongst those eligible to vote.l!

Read and laugh

Only 66.6% to 33.4%

"There was no clear majority for either leave or remain in Burnley"

[UpTheBeehole]

"There was no clear majority for either leave or remain in Burnley"

More people in Burnley didn't vote for Brexit than did vote for Brexit Ringo


You struggle with that fact don't you

[Lancasterclaret]

Yet the EU see fit to place a plaque, in a prominent position at the entrance of its visitors centre, that effectively pledges to bring an end the ability to stand up to similar potential dictorships in the future!

You are just trolling now. For about the tenth time on this thread it has to be said.

27 European nations, of which at least 23 have suffered appalling during the war are more than happy not to think like we do, despite suffering a lot more from it.

Why do you think that is?