Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:36 am

OK, let's assume we leave. My question is "What changes are you hoping to see over the following couple of years?"

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:55 am

LoveCurryPies wrote:OK, let's assume we leave. My question is "What changes are you hoping to see over the following couple of years?"

Sadly, I'm hoping that posters like Ringo will come back onto this board, hold up their hands and apologise for the mess we're in, but it won't happen because anything bad that happens after we leave will still be the fault of the "ceaseless remoaners"

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:57 am

Next week is going to be very interesting. Two sides playing chicken on the Deal.
I have stopped trying to second guess the likely outcome.

I cannot work out if remainer May is playing a great ploy to get Brexit stopped completely by having no Deal and a bad deal. If the bad deal gets voted down and then no deal gets voted down. What’s a two month extension going to achieve???

Does she then concede to a 2nd ref.
Does she go the Gen Election route.
Or just cancel Article 50 claiming it’s impossible to leave. Then resign

The possible outcome still appear endless.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:57 am

LoveCurryPies wrote:OK, let's assume we leave. My question is "What changes are you hoping to see over the following couple of years?"

I will settle for shops to have food to sell, planes in the sky and paracetamol available to buy. All of which are going to end once we leave.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:05 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:I will settle for shops to have food to sell, planes in the sky and paracetamol available to buy. All of which are going to end once we leave.

Why?
There'll be food, but just less choice and it'll be more expensive.
An interim agreement for flights in and out of the UK has already been agreed for a 12 month period even if we exit with no deal
And paracetemol is produced in the UK
It's jobs, cancer drugs and treatments that I would be rather more concerned about.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:16 pm

aggi wrote:Reading Ringo's posts is like reading a Sun editorial

(Edit: too slow)

I know I'm shooting myself in the foot and I said I was signing off but I'm on my lunch so can pop back in.

Now u and I both know that if I'd have simply posted a link to the revealing Sun editorial about the treasonous duplicitous cock roach, Dominic Grieve, not one of you would have read it. Be honest.

By cut n pasting it ( and I make no bones about the fact I did ) more people are more likely to read it.

But thanks for highlighting it! Marty even re- quoted my post, not once but twice! Giving it more exposure.

All I said was-

The cabal of anti democratic usurpers like the duplicitous Dominic Grieve are working day and night, having secondary meetings with the other side. This completely undermines our negotiating position. And a coordinated vote to send a message was never ever going to happen while vermin like Grieve infest parliament.

The rest was using the Sun to highlight the treacherous actions and loyalties of a man who wants to portray himself as a high minded statesman. A diplomatic defender of democracy.

He's non of the sort. He's a quisling and he's loyalties are to a country that when it comes to collaborating with the enemy.

It's got some serious previous.....

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:21 pm

martin_p wrote:By the way, you really should stop trying to pass other people’s words off as your own.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8249210/d ... tands-for/

Thanks for posting the original Sun editorial Marty!

You're actually doing my dirty work for me!

2 re-quotes and the link itself! Good job Marty!

Consider yourself self as, say, a member of my backroom staff, some would say a useful idiot! Either way, thanks for quoting what the Sun editorial said about the disloyal rat, Dominic Grieve and then going well beyond what was necessary and posting the actual link!!!!

Great work Marty!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:22 pm

FOR most of his career, Dominic Grieve has enthused about democratic “rules-based” systems, insisting that legal form, minted by elected authorities under the Crown and cobwebbed by time, was essential for political stability.

Over the two decades since he became an MP in 1997, this pukka, posh-suited, punctilious figure has been a pedantic regular in House of Commons debates.

He would crook one of his little fingers at an angle, give his neck muscles a creaky tweak and insist, with a shot of the cuffs and a shuffle of minimal notes, that ministers and officials must always comply with statute and precedent and time-honoured procedure.

When giving these lectures — they were seldom short — he would touch the rim of his glasses, give a little mallard-style cough and allow a patronising smile to inhabit his broadening bill.

He would explain that raw political instinct and passion, of the sort voiced by the Nigel Farages and Jeremy Corbyns of this world, were not by themselves good enough in politics. He looked down on such things.

With respect,” he would say — and it is one of the older truths of Westminster that when people say “with respect” they mean the sneery opposite — “with respect, we have to do things according to the rules, for that is the way this Parliament works and those are the sort of people we are.”

I paraphrase him but that was very much Grieve’s position. He was a creature of propriety.

He could cite legal sub-section and addendum and annex and codicil that proved, we were told, the unarguable merits of his position.

With Monsieur half-French Grieve, the ancient principles of English law were our majesty. Our mainstay!

Plenty of us clocked that Grieve was a bit of a prune, an oddball, the fogeyish son of privilege. His dad Percy, wouldn’t you know it, had also been a Tory MP of the gusset-and-sock-suspenders old school.

Percy once worked as a liaison officer for French wartime hero Charles de Gaulle, who hated the British (even though Churchill gave him shelter in London when the Germans occupied France). It was said that Old Man Grieve agreed with de Gaulle.

“The trouble with Percy is that he likes foreigners a great deal better than his own people,” concluded an acquaintance.

Dominic, in childhood, worshipped his father and once won a school oratory contest by making an admiring speech about de Gaulle.

Does “Dominique”, too, like continentals better than his fellow countrymen? It sure looks that way. In June 2016, in one of the greatest thumpings our elite was ever given by the people, we voted to leave the EU. Dominic Grieve, newly decorated with France’s Legion d’honneur for his political work, was horrified.

Indignant. You could even say he was ag-Grieved. And so he touched the rims of his glasses, did some ducky quacking and set to work to block Brexit.

The trouble, as has often been pointed out to him, was that the democratic vote had gone against him.

At first he said, through gritted teeth (if ducks have teeth), that he would respect the result of the referendum.

In 2017 he was re-elected as MP for prosperous Beaconsfield, Bucks, on a Tory manifesto which said exactly that.

Every Tory MP promised to get us out of the customs union and single market.

Labour MPs also promised to honour the referendum result. What lying bastards these people are. When the new Government started to get into political difficulties, the once-principled Grieve saw his chance. He stopped saying he would respect the referendum result. He wanted us to stay in the customs union. He wanted a second referendum.

Most startling of all, he plotted to bypass all those rules and time-honoured procedures he used to say were so vital for our political safety.

After a secret meeting with the appallingly biased John Bercow, Grieve got that anti-Brexit Commons Speaker to chuck out centuries of accepted debating rules.

Propriety was smashed like plates at a Greek wedding. Legal advice was ignored.

This former Attorney General’s campaign against Brexit, which will next week see him and a minority of MPs attempt to remove law-making from the elected Government, took on a wild, crazed aspect.

With Monsieur half-French Grieve, the ancient principles of English law were our majesty. Our mainstay!

Plenty of us clocked that Grieve was a bit of a prune, an oddball, the fogeyish son of privilege. His dad Percy, wouldn’t you know it, had also been a Tory MP of the gusset-and-sock-suspenders old school.

Percy once worked as a liaison officer for French wartime hero Charles de Gaulle, who hated the British (even though Churchill gave him shelter in London when the Germans occupied France). It was said that Old Man Grieve agreed with de Gaulle.

“The trouble with Percy is that he likes foreigners a great deal better than his own people,” concluded an acquaintance.

Dominic, in childhood, worshipped his father and once won a school oratory contest by making an admiring speech about de Gaulle.

Does “Dominique”, too, like continentals better than his fellow countrymen? It sure looks that way. In June 2016, in one of the greatest thumpings our elite was ever given by the people, we voted to leave the EU. Dominic Grieve, newly decorated with France’s Legion d’honneur for his political work, was horrified.

All along, it seems, his loyalties were not to a rules-based system but to the blue flag of a European Union that is now, increasingly, our rival and our deadly threat

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:23 pm

From Ringo and the team ( thats you Marty!!!! )

Have a great weekend ladies ( and that includes you aggi!)

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:32 pm

Anyone else shocked that Ringo reads The Sun?

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:33 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Why?
There'll be food, but just less choice and it'll be more expensive.
An interim agreement for flights in and out of the UK has already been agreed for a 12 month period even if we exit with no deal
And paracetemol is produced in the UK
It's jobs, cancer drugs and treatments that I would be rather more concerned about.

Didn't you claim flights could/would be grounded ?

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:36 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Anyone else shocked that Ringo reads The Sun?

I had him down for looking at the pictures in The Daily Star to be honest. I’m impressed.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:47 pm

[Didn't you claim flights could/would be grounded ?

Just to make sure that those who want to understand this

They would have been, if there wasn't an agreement. At the time, there wasn't an agreement.

Hindsight is ace, but its not something that you should be using to score points.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:51 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Just to make sure that those who want to understand this

They would have been, if there wasn't an agreement. At the time, there wasn't an agreement.

Hindsight is ace, but its not something that you should be using to score points.

In all honesty there never was a possibility of aviation being grounded, just admit it was 1 of the scaremongering tactics, you’d earn more respect by coming clean.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:58 pm

There she goes!!

May has said if her deal is rejected we may never leave the EU at all.

Music to some people’s ears!!

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:58 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Thanks for posting the original Sun editorial Marty!

You're actually doing my dirty work for me!

2 re-quotes and the link itself! Good job Marty!

Consider yourself self as, say, a member of my backroom staff, some would say a useful idiot! Either way, thanks for quoting what the Sun editorial said about the disloyal rat, Dominic Grieve and then going well beyond what was necessary and posting the actual link!!!!

Great work Marty!

I'm more than happy to repost the desperate attempts of the right wing press to discredit someome they don't agree with. When all you have is the fact that Grieve is half-french and his dad worked for De Gaulle (who hated the British) so he must be working with the enemy, the it says more about the author of the article than the subject. And your own language (treasonous duplicitous cock roach, vermin) is pretty desperate too Wrongo.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:00 pm

Whilst it’s funny and comes as no surprise that he gets his politics (as well as his understanding of parliamentary procedure) from The Sun, did anyone actually think he wrote that?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:01 pm

In all honesty there never was a possibility of aviation being grounded, just admit it was 1 of the scaremongering tactics, you’d earn more respect by coming clean.

WTF are you on about now?

There wasn't a deal in place, and now there is.

My confidence that you haven't a scooby doo about what you voted for just hardened even more.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:03 pm

Don’t you just love headlines with no context.

What she said was that if the deal is voted down then it’s unclear what might happen and gave several examples similar to what I put earlier, one being not leaving at all.

Journalists eh!!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:03 pm

There she goes!!

May has said if her deal is rejected we may never leave the EU at all.

Music to some people’s ears!!

By my reckoning, that wasn't anything new. Her entire speech is aimed at Conservative MPs who have the power to pass this. Its up to the ERG.

You have to remember that Mays parliamentary majority is currently zero.

Her government will be lucky to survive past next week if its a heavy defeat.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:04 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:WTF are you on about now?

There wasn't a deal in place, and now there is.

My confidence that you haven't a scooby doo about what you voted for just hardened even more.

Despite no deal being in place at the time, it was a pipe dream it actually happening but pitched at the time as a deal breaker.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:06 pm

Despite no deal being in place at the time, it was a pipe dream it actually happening but pitched at the time as a deal breaker.

No it wasn't, it was highlighted as one of the many possible consequences of a "No Deal".

Now there is a deal, because its vital that there is one. Its not rocket science Jakub.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:06 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:I know I'm shooting myself in the foot and I said I was signing off but I'm on my lunch so can pop back in.

Now u and I both know that if I'd have simply posted a link to the revealing Sun editorial about the treasonous duplicitous cock roach, Dominic Grieve, not one of you would have read it. Be honest.

By cut n pasting it ( and I make no bones about the fact I did ) more people are more likely to read it.

But thanks for highlighting it! Marty even re- quoted my post, not once but twice! Giving it more exposure.

All I said was-

The cabal of anti democratic usurpers like the duplicitous Dominic Grieve are working day and night, having secondary meetings with the other side. This completely undermines our negotiating position. And a coordinated vote to send a message was never ever going to happen while vermin like Grieve infest parliament.

The rest was using the Sun to highlight the treacherous actions and loyalties of a man who wants to portray himself as a high minded statesman. A diplomatic defender of democracy.

He's non of the sort. He's a quisling and he's loyalties are to a country that when it comes to collaborating with the enemy.

It's got some serious previous.....

I assume that most did the same as me, read the first line, realised there was no way you wrote it, googled it to see where you "borrowed" it from and didn't bother reading it.

From your summary it sounds like I made the right choice.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:09 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:No it wasn't, it was highlighted as one of the many possible consequences of a "No Deal".

Now there is a deal, because its vital that there is one. Its not rocket science Jakub.

That’s bull**** & you know it, it’s spectacularly backfired & now it’s a exercise of excuse making.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:10 pm

[quote="RingoMcCartney"]

There was no caveat no small print specifying whether or not "they DIDN’T VOTE to make it an Act" or not. As you're desperately belatedly trying to say there was.

Finally an acceptance that it was a poorly phrased question, which given your newspaper of choice, now comes as no surprise!!

Chin up Ringo, we all love a trier and your comedic value is priceless - just for old times sake - give us your definition of evidence?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:11 pm

How has it "spectacularly backfired"?

I'll repeat it again to see if it gets past your personal Brexit filter.

There wasn't a deal. People said it would be a problem. People realised that. So there is now a deal.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:12 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Just to make sure that those who want to understand this

They would have been, if there wasn't an agreement. At the time, there wasn't an agreement.

Hindsight is ace, but its not something that you should be using to score points.

Flights were never going to be grounded, to use it as a scare was stupid... to believe it was even more so

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:14 pm

Okay, care to tell us what else is just a scare tactic so the government don't need to prepare for it?

I'm all ears and perfectly happy to defer to you two on this as you knew that this was never going to be an issue.

You are aware that its not an issue because it got highlighted and the government prepared for it I take it?

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:16 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:How has it "spectacularly backfired"?

I'll repeat it again to see if it gets past your personal Brexit filter.

There wasn't a deal. People said it would be a problem. People realised that. So there is now a deal.

“People said it would be a problem” you could say that, it’s a late contender for the understatement of the week alright

nearly just as humorous as expecting people to believe it was a real possibility.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:17 pm

Do you really believe nobody was going to fly in or out the country lancaster ?

You are way smarter than that, in the same way as anything, when both parties stand to lose out a deal was always going to be done on that.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:22 pm

Yes, if there wasn't a deal.

At the time there wasn't a deal.

Now there is.

And its only one of bloody hundreds of stuff that are still at risk because of a "No Deal", because there hasn't been planning for it.

Can I give you an example if it helps?

Remember the banking crisis in 2008?

The governments and the banks knew on the Saturday morning that Lehmann brothers would fall first thing Monday morning. They knew, and they knew the damage to the worlds economies that it would cause, and they didn't manage to arrange or find a way to stop it.

Thats why you can't assume it would be sorted.

I'm glad it has been, and this is a sign that some of the "No Deal" preparations are up to date, but thousands more are not.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:29 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Yes, if there wasn't a deal.

At the time there wasn't a deal.

Now there is.

And its only one of bloody hundreds of stuff that are still at risk because of a "No Deal", because there hasn't been planning for it.

Can I give you an example if it helps?

Remember the banking crisis in 2008?

The governments and the banks knew on the Saturday morning that Lehmann brothers would fall first thing Monday morning. They knew, and they knew the damage to the worlds economies that it would cause, and they didn't manage to arrange or find a way to stop it.

Thats why you can't assume it would be sorted.

I'm glad it has been, and this is a sign that some of the "No Deal" preparations are up to date, but thousands more are not.

In the circumstances then, surely it must be fair to concede the brexiteers were right, I can’t think of 1 brexiteer who thought that would be possible whilst the remainers doubted & weren’t convinced. The brexiteers were right about this & this will be probably dredged up again when we are undoubtedly right again about something else.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:32 pm

Right about what?

All the Brexiteers did was say it was part of "Project Fear".

Someone in the government planned this so it didn't become part of Project Reality.

Its really not as difficult to understand as you are making it!

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:46 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Yes, if there wasn't a deal.

At the time there wasn't a deal.

Now there is.

And its only one of bloody hundreds of stuff that are still at risk because of a "No Deal", because there hasn't been planning for it.

Can I give you an example if it helps?

Remember the banking crisis in 2008?

The governments and the banks knew on the Saturday morning that Lehmann brothers would fall first thing Monday morning. They knew, and they knew the damage to the worlds economies that it would cause, and they didn't manage to arrange or find a way to stop it.

Thats why you can't assume it would be sorted.

I'm glad it has been, and this is a sign that some of the "No Deal" preparations are up to date, but thousands more are not.

In the same way, can we assume that the 2020-21 national budget will be sorted before 5th April 2020, or should we start scare stories about all social security being stopped and all civil servant laid off?

There was always going to be a deal on flights. We know that the EU is willing to hurt itself to make the UK hurt more, but not to the extent of grounding flights and shutting down Airbus. That was never going to happen.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:52 pm

There wasn't at the time, which is why it was mentioned.

The problem is and will continue to be is that if you voted Brexit, you don't want to believe that there are consequences to untangling from a 40+ year relationship. Everything has to be negotiated and sorted out. This is what has happened here.

Stuff gets mentioned as a problem, and hopefully then gets sorted before it becomes a problem.

Look, all you have to do is google the government own preparedness for a "No Deal". You get sheets of information using a traffic light system that suggests we are miles away from where we need to be.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:22 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:There wasn't at the time, which is why it was mentioned.

The problem is and will continue to be is that if you voted Brexit, you don't want to believe that there are consequences to untangling from a 40+ year relationship. Everything has to be negotiated and sorted out. This is what has happened here.

Stuff gets mentioned as a problem, and hopefully then gets sorted before it becomes a problem.

Look, all you have to do is google the government own preparedness for a "No Deal". You get sheets of information using a traffic light system that suggests we are miles away from where we need to be.

I think people understand there will be consequences to the "untangling" of the 40+ yrs of membership & realise that negotiations are taking place & the uncertainty which will inevitably ensue, some people are questioning & finding it difficult to digest is that we were told that there was a real possibility of aviation becoming grounded & when arguing this, 1 side never acknowledged that there was a very very very slim prospect of this happening, in fact quite the opposite was pitched that it was a true & likely scenario. You can appreciate why people are very sceptical.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:25 pm

I can, but at the same time I'm well aware of the network of agreements and stuff that allow us the lifestyles and freedom to travel that we enjoy.

Which is why I didn't go "oh, it will be fine" which appears to be the default UK setting (which has its pros and cons!)

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:29 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I can, but at the same time I'm well aware of the network of agreements and stuff that allow us the lifestyles and freedom to travel that we enjoy.

Which is why I didn't go "oh, it will be fine" which appears to be the default UK setting (which has its pros and cons!)

Lifestyles & freedoms to travel are a mere pipedream for lots of leave supporters, due to the immigration & depressed wages lots struggle to cobble up the bus fare to nearest town the last thing on there mind is getting to gatwick to catch a flight to milan or wherever.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:35 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:Lifestyles & freedoms to travel are a mere pipedream for lots of leave supporters, due to the immigration & depressed wages lots struggle to cobble up the bus fare to nearest town the last thing on there mind is getting to gatwick to catch a flight to milan or wherever.

The biggest numbers of society voting Leave were the middle classes.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:36 pm

As I have long asserted, the way to model the impact on the UK is to make best assumptions about what mini deals would be put in place in the event of no deal, and other mitigating action (e.g. slashing tariffs). A good economist would then also model scenarios around this.

Now that those actions are becoming clear it shows the folly of earlier models no doubt intended to cause fear and pessimism (which some of us said were folly at the time).

This week:

The BoE has said that a no deal Brexit will reduce GDP by 2 to 3.5%, whereas 4 months ago it had said 8%, and even the PMs plan would be a reduction of 5%.

The German think tank IFO Institute has said that “hard but smart” no deal Brexit would reduce U.K. GDP by 0.5%, the same as Germany, and Ireland would be ten times worse at 5%.

Now, given the above was always modellable using some probable assumptions (like U.K. setting low tariffs) the Treasury would always have known the probable impact - and kept it to themselves instead of us using it as a powerful bargaining tool. To compound this insanity, I have little faith Hammond would genuinely implement these measures, even if they are common sense. That’s why I favour reluctantly agreeing May’s deal and why I feel sure this deal has been ruined by pro-Remain forces within the government.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:40 pm

martin_p wrote:The biggest numbers of society voting Leave were the middle classes.

LOTS & percentages are 2 totally different things, & middle class i daresay struggle with the expenditure of day to day living, people have finance & hefty interest rates to manage as well as the necessities.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:48 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote: This week:

The BoE has said that a no deal Brexit will reduce GDP by 2 to 3.5%, whereas 4 months ago it had said 8%, and even the PMs plan would be a reduction of 5%.

Where’s it said that?

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:49 pm

We are exactly where the EU May and Robbins wanted us now. They have engineered it all along. Brexit in name only.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:50 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:LOTS & percentages are 2 totally different things, & middle class i daresay struggle with the expenditure of day to day living, people have finance & hefty interest rates to manage as well as the necessities.

Who mentioned percentages? The vast majority of people who voted Leave aren’t the type who would struggle with a bus fare.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:50 pm

Mays deal is going to pass Crosspool.

The ERG have wasted a year trying to get the FTA that is impossible and will cave in rather than risk "No Brexit"

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:00 pm

martin_p wrote:Who mentioned percentages? The vast majority of people who voted Leave aren’t the type who would struggle with a bus fare.

Maybe not, do the minority not count obviously not, only when trying to overturn democracy seemingly.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:03 pm

If May’s deal goes through and is Brexit in name only what’s happening with these promised riots?

We going for them or what?

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:07 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:If May’s deal goes through and is Brexit in name only what’s happening with these promised riots?

We going for them or what?

Depends on whether someone has remembered to order the yellow vests.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:11 pm

Worth a watch, what the EU think of next weeks vote.

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Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:19 pm

Russia Today?

Hmm, as its Putins propaganda tool dedicated to weakening the EU and NATO, I'll pass.