Tommy Robinson

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:13 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Lol. I think i know why you're asking, yes.

in future, don't ask people personal questions that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

no you're miles off...I was wrong...I really thought you could sense what I was getting at.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:20 am

All this pc leftist garbage does strange things to the mind.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:22 am

Dazzler wrote: no you're miles off...I was wrong...I really thought you could sense what I was getting at.

And yet you still refuse to demonstrate the relevance of the question. It's really weird why you're so reluctant to do that and that you expect me to answer a personal question while you won't even explain why I should.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:25 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:And yet you still refuse to demonstrate the relevance of the question. It's really weird why you're so reluctant to do that and that you expect me to answer a personal question while you won't even explain why I should.

Put it this way,If you had not declared that you had ever lived in Stoneyholme I wouldn't have asked the question.

Get it now ?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:40 am

Dazzler wrote:Put it this way,If you had not declared that you had ever lived in Stoneyholme I wouldn't have asked the question.

Get it now ?

So you're not going to demonstrate relevance.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:48 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:So you're not going to demonstrate relevance.

Explain the need for relevance...

ClaretSteve · Post by **ClaretSteve** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:55 am

Oh dear, listen to yourselves.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:56 am

ClaretSteve wrote:Oh dear, listen to yourselves.

he started it

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:59 am

IT is relentless, I like it..... certainly makes for an interesting read.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Tue May 29, 2018 9:00 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:He’s in prison? Ha. Brilliant.

In what world is it right to put someone in prison for speaking their mind? I am as politically far away from Tommy Robinson as it's possible to be but everyone should have a right to speak out, even if it's offensive to many. Or would you it was all said underground and allowed to fester unchecked and allowed to grow. The Tommy Robinsons of this world have a right to speak and what has happened to him should never happen in this country.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Tue May 29, 2018 9:23 am

houseboy wrote:In what world is it right to put someone in prison for speaking their mind?

In a democratic world where we have laws that help govern society and where he broke those laws and risked the trial of serious magnitude - I'm comfortable with that, you should be too.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue May 29, 2018 10:47 am

houseboy wrote:In what world is it right to put someone in prison for speaking their mind? I am as politically far away from Tommy Robinson as it's possible to be but everyone should have a right to speak out, even if it's offensive to many. Or would you it was all said underground and allowed to fester unchecked and allowed to grow. The Tommy Robinsons of this world have a right to speak and what has happened to him should never happen in this country.

You've swallowed the bullshit suggestion that he's been locked up for speaking, haven't you?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue May 29, 2018 11:01 am

Just logged in for the first time in a few days to see serial islamophobe Dazzler being the main protagonist. There's a surprise.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Tue May 29, 2018 11:48 am

Why do you need to explain that youve " just logged in for the first time in a few days " ?

ClaretDiver · Post by **ClaretDiver** » Tue May 29, 2018 11:51 am

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck ... buse-gangs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This makes for interesting reading.....

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue May 29, 2018 11:52 am

randomclaret2 wrote:Why do you need to explain that youve " just logged in for the first time in a few days " ?

Incase you were worried of course.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue May 29, 2018 11:55 am

ClaretDiver wrote:https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck ... buse-gangs

This makes for interesting reading.....

Very good article, but I've already been told off for separating the two different types of child abusers.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Tue May 29, 2018 11:59 am

ClaretDiver wrote:https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck ... buse-gangs

This makes for interesting reading.....

So 75% are Asian, the Asian population is estimated at 7.5% so approximately half of that is male so 3.75% of the population is committing three quarters of grooming crimes.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:01 pm

Youll be getting in trouble for stating the obvious Andy

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:03 pm

But white men make up 100 per cent of recorded “Type 2” group abusers, who target children because of a longstanding paedophilic interest.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:03 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Very good article, but I've already been told off for separating the two different types of child abusers.

last line of that link states...

We should be wary of drawing too many conclusions

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:10 pm

claretandy wrote:So 75% are Asian, the Asian population is estimated at 7.5% so approximately half of that is male so 3.75% of the population is committing three quarters of grooming crimes.

Andy, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you purposefully labelled 2.45 Million asian men as committing three quarters of the grooming crimes to highlight the stupidity of doing so, as opposed to picking out the 229 asian men who were identified in the link.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:10 pm

[quote="UpTheBeehole"][/quote]

we are talking specifically about on street grooming, but you know this, so why the whataboutary ?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:13 pm

“Type 1” group abuse involves targeting a victim, or victims, based on their vulnerability.
“The focus here appears to be on the sexual abuse of teenagers and young adults on the basis of their vulnerability, rather than as a result of a specific preferential sexual interest in children […] CEOP assesses that type 1 offenders are unlikely to identify themselves as having a sexual interest in children, but molest children because they are vulnerable to sexual exploitation.”

“Type 2” group abusers are defined as having “a longstanding sexual interest in children”.
Type 2 groups operate in a way that’s often characterised as a paedophile “ring”. In other words, these offenders are not simply targeting children because they are vulnerable, but because they are children.

So 75% of Type 1 abusers were asian, taking advantage of people because of their vulnerability. They don't have interest in them because they're children, it's just because they're easy to coerce.

Group 2 is your standard, accepted nonce. Sexually attracted to children. 100% of these paedophiles were white.

That's damning on white people. String em all up.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:15 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Andy, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you purposefully labelled 2.45 Million asian men as committing three quarters of the grooming crimes to highlight the stupidity of doing so, as opposed to picking out the 229 asian men who were identified in the link.

poorly worded, 75% of offenders come from a group that represents 3.75% of the population.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:16 pm

What is a " standard, accepted nonce " ?

lovebeingaclaret · Post by **lovebeingaclaret** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:17 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Just logged in for the first time in a few days to see serial islamophobe Dazzler being the main protagonist. There's a surprise.

Obviously any right minded person who accuses someone of being a serial islamaphobe will feel the need to share all the evidence they have collected in order to substantiate that claim.

I really do look forward to the volume of information that is in the hand of UTB.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:22 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:What is a " standard, accepted nonce " ?

Someone who sits in the family stand with no kids ?

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:25 pm

Good point Andy....in the twisted minds of some its easier to come out with garbage like that than condemn the real horrendous abuse and torture of children

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:30 pm

lovebeingaclaret wrote:Obviously any right minded person who accuses someone of being a serial islamaphobe will feel the need to share all the evidence they have collected in order to substantiate that claim.

I really do look forward to the volume of information that is in the hand of UTB.

It amuses me that on this board it seems to be a thing that all these bigoted hateful people make bigoted hateful comments then get really offended on being called out on it and demand a full history of fact and evidence to prove they are bigoted.

If they had the same attention to detail about fact and evidence with their own opinions maybe they'd be less bigoted in the first place

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:32 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:What is a " standard, accepted nonce " ?

“Type 2” group abusers are defined as having “a longstanding sexual interest in children”.
Type 2 groups operate in a way that’s often characterised as a paedophile “ring”. In other words, these offenders are not simply targeting children because they are vulnerable, but because they are children.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:42 pm

Type , Type 2 all irrelevant. Were they having sex with children or not? If that answer is yes then they should be jailed whichever their type is.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:45 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You've swallowed the bullshit suggestion that he's been locked up for speaking, haven't you?

No - he's been locked up for allegedly a breach of the peace. But the REALITY is he has got up too many noses and it was only a matter of time. I don't and never have swallowed b/sht but it seems that there are too many people who only believe in freedom of speech when it agrees with what they think. We see it on here every day and on any other forum I have use in the past. The politically correct would silence everyone with opinions that clash with their rose tinted views but the reality of the human condition is that you can't put everyone into a procrustean bed of agreement.
Tommy Robinson would never make it onto my Christmas card list as his views contradict just about everything I stand for but he has a right to say what he thinks without the fear of being arrested on charges that are at the very least 'thin'. Contrary to what the media are saying many people calling for his release are NOT far right supporters, many are of course, but many are also people like myself who think that once the authorities start throwing people into prison for having views that many find offensive we are on the very slippery road to authoritarian rule, the kind of thing that my dad and many others fought against in the last war.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:48 pm

So Type 1 doesn't count?

Or don't they count to suit an agenda on here?

Or don't they count because they're predominantly Asian?

I'm confused, because I thought a child abuser was just that regardless of what group they fall into.
If you're targetting people under the legal age limit on purpose then you're a child abuser / paedophile... or am I missing something here?

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:49 pm

[quote="UpTheBeehole"][/quote]

So you accept White people doing it but not Asian people?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:54 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
So you accept White people doing it but not Asian people?

They should all be subjected to a fair trial without interference from ex-cons pushing a far-right agenda.

If found guilty they should be given as long a sentence as deemed necessary.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:58 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:They should all be subjected to a fair trial without interference from ex-cons pushing a far-right agenda.

If found guilty they should be given as long a sentence as deemed necessary.

We agree on that one.
However if all he'd done was show up and just told the world the case was happening without filming anything, would it still be an issue?
Is it a far-right agenda to highlight a problem that's been repeatedly ignored or swept under the carpet by authorities for decades?
How he went about it was wrong and if he's locked up then he deserves it.

Highlighting a case that is dealing with something that's a major issue isn't that bad though is it?

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Tue May 29, 2018 1:10 pm

A person who goes with Children is a “nonce” in my opinion, to me there is no differentiation. A Barrister I know who represented one of those convicted in the Rochdale case tried to use the defence that the “girls” basically were prostitutes and knew fully what they were doing but quite rightly that defence was refuted when it was pointed out that they are children and it makes no difference whether they were sexually experienced or not.
Another striking he told me was that they genuinely thought they were not doing anything wrong.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Tue May 29, 2018 1:48 pm

the far right nearly ruined the the rochdale case; the defendants' lawyers argued the jury had been influenced by them because of some 'reporting' the far right did on it.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Tue May 29, 2018 1:49 pm

Jailed for 18 months

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Tue May 29, 2018 2:18 pm

Utter bloody idiot deservedly jailed. Jeopardised the trial, potentially failing to bring justice to the very people he was claiming to be championing.

Almost as if he was only doing it for the publicity or something...

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Tue May 29, 2018 2:19 pm

houseboy wrote:No - he's been locked up for allegedly a breach of the peace. But the REALITY is he has got up too many noses and it was only a matter of time.

What absolute rubbish, he's been locked up for contempt of court (which he admitted).

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Tue May 29, 2018 2:24 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I think you've exposed your own close mind right here. Asking a question to which you were never going to accept the answer to if it didn't fit your narrative.

I lived there from 2001-2002 and from 2008 to 2012. Not that i owe you any kind of explanation.

No you didnt but its funny you feeling like you need too.

Keep digging

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Tue May 29, 2018 2:34 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:What absolute rubbish, he's been locked up for breach of the peace.

And if it had been you or I do you think we would have been treated the same? Is your world really so black and white that you cannot see beyond what is presented to you by the media? He is a hated man, and some would say rightly so, I don't like what he stands for, and hated men are the target of many, including the authorities. Life isn't black and white and people get locked up for things all over the world that are not the real reason. Or is it that you live in the UK and 'things like that can't happen here'?
As I have said before I am not defending him, why would I, I am a left wing socialist egalitarian. I just happen to believe in the freedom of any man or woman to speak their mind without being gagged, silenced, censored, proscribed or locked up. Or is that in itself worthy of being silenced for?

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Tue May 29, 2018 2:42 pm

houseboy wrote:And if it had been you or I do you think we would have been treated the same? Is your world really so black and white that you cannot see beyond what is presented to you by the media? He is a hated man, and some would say rightly so, I don't like what he stands for, and hated men are the target of many, including the authorities. Life isn't black and white and people get locked up for things all over the world that are not the real reason. Or is it that you live in the UK and 'things like that can't happen here'?
As I have said before I am not defending him, why would I, I am a left wing socialist egalitarian. I just happen to believe in the freedom of any man or woman to speak their mind without being gagged, silenced, censored, proscribed or locked up. Or is that in itself worthy of being silenced for?

He did it before and was warned not to do it again, he did it again so now he's in jail.

Exactly the same as if we had done it before and been warned.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Tue May 29, 2018 2:42 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Just logged in for the first time in a few days to see serial islamophobe Dazzler being the main protagonist. There's a surprise.

9 out of 10 worst countries in the world to be a woman are majority muslim.

Being gay warrants the death penalty.

In Saudi Arabia Atheism is designated as terroism.

Atheism in countries such as Pakistan,Malaysia,UAE....warrants the death penalty.

In most muslim majority countries free thinkers are murdered.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Tue May 29, 2018 2:51 pm

Dazzler wrote:9 out of 10 worst countries in the world to be a woman are majority muslim.

Being gay warrants the death penalty.

In Saudi Arabia Atheism is designated as terroism.

Atheism in countries such as Pakistan,Malaysia,UAE....warrants the death penalty.

In most muslim majority countries free thinkers are murdered.

Do you think we should help those people who are at risk by allowing them into our country to be safe?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue May 29, 2018 2:52 pm

Bummed in the showers, he's getting bummed in the showers

Shanked in the showers, he's getting shanked in the showers.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Tue May 29, 2018 2:56 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Do you think we should help those people who are at risk by allowing them into our country to be safe?

When you say "Our Country" do you mean 'Just our country ?

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Tue May 29, 2018 3:02 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Do you think we should help those people who are at risk by allowing them into our country to be safe?

would it stop all the barbaric murders though ?