Last night of the Proms

[RingoMcCartney]

Left Wing BBC "Comedy" Shows About To Be Nuked?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj6ehNbeLO4

Now that's genuinely funny.!

[RingoMcCartney]

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-ente ... 98521.html

Some more cancel culture. The new Tory head of the BBC looking at cancelling comedians who satirise the government. Nothing there about bringing in more left wing political show hosts and news editors to provide balance in that respect.

So is this. Without even trying!

[RingoMcCartney]

The BBC - in its current form, its days are numbered.

Reasons to be cheerful.

[AndrewJB]

Taking back control means dismantling a great British institution, and listening to foreign owned radio instead. Yeeehaw!

[clarethomer]

Hopefully will get rid of the licence fee and at least you won't have to pay to listen to them at least.

The left wing bias of the BBC needed balancing up though to be fair. Maybe a few years with David Cameron coming in as the Chairman of the BBC will help it along a bit further... (Im joking btw Andrew before you choke on your Goulash).

[Devils_Advocate]

The "woke" and "left wing" BBC:

- Gave the chairman of the right-wing Spectator two major TV politics shows

- Had Nigel Farage on Question Time more regularly than anyone else ever

- Invited Nick Griffin onto Question Time

- For 10 years the BBC political editor was the former president of the Oxford University Conservative Association, he now presents Radio 4 Today

- The last Head of BBC Political Programming became Theresa May's Director of Communications, he's the brother of a Tory MP

- He's a long-standing supporter of Brexit and he directed BBC political output for 8 years

- His main rival for the job of Head of Politics at BBC was James Landsdale, who was also the other candidate to become May's spin doctor

And now some data, from a major study by Cardiff University

- Tories get more airtime on BBC than Labour, in office or out of office

- in 2014 (leading up to election) Cameron got 53 appearances, Milliband got 15

- Cabinet ministers got 90 vs shadow cabinet 46

- Tory politicians received 50% more airtime than Labour politicians

- Business views (as opposed to union, science, religious, or social views) are represented 11x more on BBC

- Business views on BBC get 2x more coverage on BBC than ITV, and 4x more than Channel 4

- Here is a chart of the % of sources featured during 2008 on BBC Today programme, showing the bias towards the views of financial services vs absolutely any other opinion.



- BBC coverage of the EU from 2012 onwards has been almost exclusively "through the prism of political infighting between Labour and the Conservatives" so no pro-European voices were heard

- The report finds "Voices arguing for the benefits of EU membership were very sparse"

And in case you think all of this is socialist claptrap by a bitter Remoaner, these findings are from a Cardiff University study funded by and published by the BBC Trust

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/ass ... alysis.pdf

[clarethomer]

What if I could evidence that report has bias in it?

A study researched by individuals that are naturally left in their leaning. Is it fair for me to make that assumption in the same way that financial services is somehow right wing?

Well I had a quick google of some of the researchers/authors of the report...

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Now tell me that the research commissioned by a heavily unionised BBC and heavily unionised education sector somehow kept their research completely unbiased and didn't shape their findings to fit their agenda and political biases in a move to protect criticism of the BBC being biased..

[clarethomer]

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My last post seems to have duplicated one of the uploads and left this one out. Another indication of their personal leanings.

[Tall Paul]

Why is it always about who has written the report or is making the argument rather than it's substance?

[Devils_Advocate]

You sound like the Trump lot just shouting fake news. Why dont you try and address some of the claims head on with facts and research rather than just trying to discredit the authors of this report. Im very open to it being over egged to a left wing view but are the key findings based in fact and on good research methodology as that is the more important question

If they have let their bias shine through then it will be easy to show their inaccuracies just like its easy to attack the right wing press who just make stuff up safe in the knowledge the intended audiance dont care for facts or accuracy as long as they are being spoon fed exactly what they want to hear

Any thoughts on the top half of my post about the BBCs left wing bias when its control has been dominated by the right wing elite?

If I remember rightly your last comeback to people showing evidence of right wing propaganda was to just make up the idea that gorilla left groups spread stuff on facebook groups that cant be tracked (even though we do see plenty of this kind of activity but mainly from the right)

[clarethomer]

Why is it always about who has written the report or is making the argument rather than it's substance?

Because we are all inherently biased and on that basis, if a post specifically points out that one sector is right wing and therefore derived bias in that content - I feel it is fair game to call out how the research must be inherently biased too.

You sound like the Trump lot just shouting fake news. Why dont you try and address some of the claims head on with facts and research rather than just trying to discredit the authors of this report. Im very open to it being over egged to a left wing view but are the key findings based in fact and on good research methodology as that is the more important question

If they have let their bias shine through then it will be easy to show their inaccuracies just like its easy to attack the right wing press who just make stuff up safe in the knowledge the intended audiance dont care for facts or accuracy as long as they are being spoon fed exactly what they want to hear

Any thoughts on the top half of my post about the BBCs left wing bias when its control has been dominated by the right wing elite?

If I remember rightly your last comeback to people showing evidence of right wing propaganda was to just make up the idea that gorilla left groups spread stuff on facebook groups that cant be tracked (even though we do see plenty of this kind of activity but mainly from the right)

Put that line away DA... I'm not biting.

You can't seriously litter your post with the bait of 'financial services' = right wing and then produce bar graphs pointing out 35% of the population of this survey therefore are right wing - whilst ignoring what arguably showing similarly biased industries in the remaining 65%.

And to then tell us that this isn't a bitter remoaner posting this who then starts putting me in the 'Trump' lot - yeah you're not bitter at all are you...

[aggi]

What if I could evidence that report has bias in it?

People would think that you couldn't attack the factual elements of the report so you're seeking to cast doubt via some fairly spurious "evidence" so you don't have to.

[clarethomer]

ha ha....

No point in debating something that has quite clear inherent bias in it's production.

[Devils_Advocate]

No point in debating something that has quite clear inherent bias in it's production.

Youre dead right, we're all wasting our time bothering to debate you

[clarethomer]

Youre dead right, we're all wasting our time bothering to debate you

Watch it - you might end up on the BBC culled list with comedy like that..

[martin_p]

Because we are all inherently biased and on that basis, if a post specifically points out that one sector is right wing and therefore derived bias in that content - I feel it is fair game to call out how the research must be inherently biased too.




Put that line away DA... I'm not biting.

You can't seriously litter your post with the bait of 'financial services' = right wing and then produce bar graphs pointing out 35% of the population of this survey therefore are right wing - whilst ignoring what arguably showing similarly biased industries in the remaining 65%.

And to then tell us that this isn't a bitter remoaner posting this who then starts putting me in the 'Trump' lot - yeah you're not bitter at all are you...

Well done for picking up on the one element of the report that isn’t that relevant and making a big deal of it.

By the way, why does the fact that one of the authors has written an academic book and protest and campaigns make him biased towards the left?

[clarethomer]

Just waiting for Andrew to come in and I can call 'house'...

By the way, why does the fact that one of the authors has written an academic book and protest and campaigns make him biased towards the left?

Why does someone in financial services make them biased towards the right?

[martin_p]

Just waiting for Andrew to come in and I can call 'house'...



Why does someone in financial services make them biased towards the right?

It doesn’t. As I said it’s the least relevant bit of the report. Let’s assume that bit doesn’t prove anything then, what about the rest of it.

[clarethomer]

DA makes a statement of 'BBC Bias is proven by the people involved in its content'

CH makes a statement of 'Report is biased which is proven by the bias of the people involved in it's content'

Socialist left leaning loonies all get triggered and argue that this is not a fair debate and my analysis is flawed and then try to say that I am like them 'Trump lot'

Oh well

"Make UTC great again" bring back the football and remove the keyboards from those loonies.....

[martin_p]

DA makes a statement of 'BBC Bias is proven by the people involved in its content'

CH makes a statement of 'Report is biased which is proven by the bias of the people involved in it's content'

Socialist left leaning loonies all get triggered and argue that this is not a fair debate and my analysis is flawed and then try to say that I am like them 'Trump lot'

Oh well

"Make UTC great again" bring back the football and remove the keyboards from those loonies.....

But what have you proved about the authors of the report?

[AndrewJB]

Because we are all inherently biased and on that basis, if a post specifically points out that one sector is right wing and therefore derived bias in that content - I feel it is fair game to call out how the research must be inherently biased too.




Put that line away DA... I'm not biting.

You can't seriously litter your post with the bait of 'financial services' = right wing and then produce bar graphs pointing out 35% of the population of this survey therefore are right wing - whilst ignoring what arguably showing similarly biased industries in the remaining 65%.

And to then tell us that this isn't a bitter remoaner posting this who then starts putting me in the 'Trump' lot - yeah you're not bitter at all are you...

As academics, the last thing they’re going to want is a mistake in their work. Especially if a charge of politically motivated falsifying or altering of data. Because if there is anything wrong with what they’ve done, it’s likely a right wing think tank will pick up on it and ensure the world is made aware. So yes, they’ll have bias as people, but will know not to let that jazz up their research.

Which brings us to the new DG of the BBC, who has stood for office as a Conservative before. As you’ve pointed out he will have a considerable degree of bias, as will many of the political news personalities, who have links with the Tory Party. It must be time now that we have a political editor that is left wing to bring some balance.

[Devils_Advocate]

DA makes a statement of 'BBC Bias is proven by the people involved in its content'

No I didnt. I was actually showing the ridiculousness of the defund the BBC mob who think the BBC has some kind of left agenda. I think I provided enough pieces of information to demonstrate the nonsense of this position and you've managed nothing more than to try and deflect by focusing on the authors of a report rather than its content

The first half of my post had nothing to do with the report or the authors at all and I see you haven't managed to try and address any of that

I think the BBC has bias right through it but the bias covers both sides and so on balance gives us a far more neutral and trustworthy media source than that of the commercial media we have at our disposal

You best arguments for this govt and Brexit seems to be to just class the other side as brainwashed and biased and as soon as you get challenged on facts you attack the person and run away from a proper discussion

You really did sum up yourself about an hour ago

No point in debating something that has quite clear inherent bias in it's production.

[clarethomer]

They post in a way that would indicate that they disagree with the 'tory agenda' and are more supportive of a labour government and left leaning political party

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[clarethomer]

No I didnt. I was actually showing the ridiculousness of the defund the BBC mob who think the BBC has some kind of left agenda. I think I provided enough pieces of information to demonstrate the nonsense of this position and you've managed nothing more than to try and deflect by focusing on the authors of a report rather than its content

The first half of my post had nothing to do with the report or the authors at all and I see you haven't managed to try and address any of that

I think the BBC has bias right through it but the bias covers both sides and so on balance gives us a far more neutral and trustworthy media source than that of the commercial media we have at our disposal

You best arguments for this govt and Brexit seems to be to just class the other side as brainwashed and biased and as soon as you get challenged on facts you attack the person and run away from a proper discussion

You really did sum up yourself about an hour ago

Why you getting so triggered by this?

I'm glad you think there is bias on both sides within the BBC, because i would agree with that.

I was simply pointing out that the argument of a report which is trying to determine bias is fundamentally flawed when the team conducting the research are clearly supportive of one side of the bias they are looking at. It's like me saying that I have Rupert murdoch employing some acedemic pro brexit think tank and telling you that the report is a balanced one. It's unlikely that it will be.

You can try and belittle me and bate me with your responses.

If you accept that there is bias on both sides within the BBC and on balance they are a fair representation of both sides - let's leave it at that shall we and we will agree on that point in that we could each find evidence of where the BBC has shown a degree of bias to both sides.

If you don't agree with that - then read my last posts again as there is nothing further to add.

[martin_p]

They post in a way that would indicate that they disagree with the 'tory agenda' and are more supportive of a labour government and left leaning political party

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Yes, a professor of journalism getting excited about another professor of journalism get a ‘name check’ in parliament is the first step to Marxism!

[martin_p]

Why you getting so triggered by this?

I'm glad you think there is bias on both sides within the BBC, because i would agree with that.

I was simply pointing out that the argument of a report which is trying to determine bias is fundamentally flawed when the team conducting the research are clearly supportive of one side of the bias they are looking at. It's like me saying that I have Rupert murdoch employing some acedemic pro brexit think tank and telling you that the report is a balanced one. It's unlikely that it will be.

You can try and belittle me and bate me with your responses.

If you accept that there is bias on both sides within the BBC and on balance they are a fair representation of both sides - let's leave it at that shall we and we will agree on that point in that we could each find evidence of where the BBC has shown a degree of bias to both sides.

If you don't agree with that - then read my last posts again as there is nothing further to add.

You still haven’t managed to prove a thing about the authors, despite an evening spent trawling their Twitter accounts.

[AndrewJB]

They post in a way that would indicate that they disagree with the 'tory agenda' and are more supportive of a labour government and left leaning political party

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On a personal level, I’m sure they do. But in what way did their bias affect their findings?

[clarethomer]

As academics, the last thing they’re going to want is a mistake in their work. Especially if a charge of politically motivated falsifying or altering of data. Because if there is anything wrong with what they’ve done, it’s likely a right wing think tank will pick up on it and ensure the world is made aware. So yes, they’ll have bias as people, but will know not to let that jazz up their research.

Which brings us to the new DG of the BBC, who has stood for office as a Conservative before. As you’ve pointed out he will have a considerable degree of bias, as will many of the political news personalities, who have links with the Tory Party. It must be time now that we have a political editor that is left wing to bring some balance.

HOUSE!

Welcome to the discussion Andrew..

New DG does have a conservative leaning background. I hope he sorts out the BBC but not in the way you are hoping but just so I can stop paying my licence fee and have something that can choose it's own political agenda based on it not being publicly funded.

[martin_p]

Incidentally, one of the authors (a name I thought I recognised) was director of news at the BBC when the Today programme did its controversial report of the ‘dodgy dossier’ which caused a heap of trouble for the then Labour government. He defended the report and gave evidence against the Labour government at the Hutton Enquiry.

[martin_p]

HOUSE!

Welcome to the discussion Andrew..

New DG does have a conservative leaning background. I hope he sorts out the BBC but not in the way you are hoping but just so I can stop paying my licence fee and have something that can choose it's own political agenda based on it not being publicly funded.

I don’t want tv channels to have a political agenda! The BBC doesn’t!

[martin_p]

On a personal level, I’m sure they do. But in what way did their bias affect their findings?

Presumably it affects their ability to count the number of times Nigel Farage has been on Question Time.

[clarethomer]

On a personal level, I’m sure they do. But in what way did their bias affect their findings?

In what way can you prove it didn't?

[martin_p]

In what way can you prove it didn't?

The fact that the report extract shown above consists of checkable stats rather than opinions.

[clarethomer]

Ha ha.. Im calling it a night on the thread.

Enjoy the though of how these posts are one more step closer to your revolution.

[Devils_Advocate]

Why you getting so triggered by this?

I'm glad you think there is bias on both sides within the BBC, because i would agree with that.

I was simply pointing out that the argument of a report which is trying to determine bias is fundamentally flawed when the team conducting the research are clearly supportive of one side of the bias they are looking at. It's like me saying that I have Rupert murdoch employing some acedemic pro brexit think tank and telling you that the report is a balanced one. It's unlikely that it will be.

You can try and belittle me and bate me with your responses.

If you accept that there is bias on both sides within the BBC and on balance they are a fair representation of both sides - let's leave it at that shall we and we will agree on that point in that we could each find evidence of where the BBC has shown a degree of bias to both sides.

If you don't agree with that - then read my last posts again as there is nothing further to add.

Not getting triggered just having a lively discussion. Funny how we agree that the BBC is balanced in its bias yet its my argument you want to challenge and not those who bang on about the BBC having a left wing agenda.

No belittling or baiting but just saying what I see in the way you approach discussions on here. Im happy to to have at any which was as we're not exactly gonna change the world on a messageboard but its much better to discuss and debate with those who have different views than with those who you just agree with

[AndrewJB]

Why you getting so triggered by this?

I'm glad you think there is bias on both sides within the BBC, because i would agree with that.

I was simply pointing out that the argument of a report which is trying to determine bias is fundamentally flawed when the team conducting the research are clearly supportive of one side of the bias they are looking at. It's like me saying that I have Rupert murdoch employing some acedemic pro brexit think tank and telling you that the report is a balanced one. It's unlikely that it will be.

You can try and belittle me and bate me with your responses.

If you accept that there is bias on both sides within the BBC and on balance they are a fair representation of both sides - let's leave it at that shall we and we will agree on that point in that we could each find evidence of where the BBC has shown a degree of bias to both sides.

If you don't agree with that - then read my last posts again as there is nothing further to add.

If the report is biased, then someone will point that out, because whenever academic papers conclude things the right doesn’t like, they pour over it looking for reasons to discredit it. For now all you can say is “it’s biased, because the people who wrote it are” - which isn’t proof of bias within the work.

By your reasoning BBC politics has a right wing bias, because most of the top jobs have been filled by people with close ties to the Tory Party for the last ten years.

[martin_p]

Ha ha.. Im calling it a night on the thread.

Enjoy the though of how these posts are one more step closer to your revolution.

Of course you are, your argument fell to bits before it really got going.

By the way, having had a look at the report there’s some stuff in it the BBC won’t be comfortable reading.

[clarethomer]

Night comrades - sleep well.

[aggi]

But what have you proved about the authors of the report?

Well one of them once retweeted an article about no deal Brexit being disastrous for musicians (which many people with huge experience in the area seem to have said).

It's a good argument, anything negative about Brexit can be ignored because the author said something negative about Brexit so must be biased. (Insert whatever topic you want in there.)

[AndrewJB]

Well one of them once retweeted an article about no deal Brexit being disastrous for musicians (which many people with huge experience in the area seem to have said).

It's a good argument, anything negative about Brexit can be ignored because the author said something negative about Brexit so must be biased. (Insert whatever topic you want in there.)

The Conservative Party pays hundreds, if not thousands of people to support it on Twitter, and I’ve sometimes wondered if they get paid extra for venturing out into other social media, such is the absence of shame some posters have in pushing their message.

[RingoMcCartney]

Please, please, please BBC. Make this happen.

BBC U-turns in Last Night of the Proms row as it announces Rule Britannia WILL be sung

[RingoMcCartney]

I think Colburn may have done a lot of foot stamping today.

Your turn today!

[Cirrus_Minor]

BBC U-turns in Last Night of the Proms row as it announces Rule Britannia WILL be sung

And the vast majority will just carry on with not watching it.

[AndrewJB]

BBC U-turns in Last Night of the Proms row as it announces Rule Britannia WILL be sung

Huzzah!

And now a Tory is in charge of the BBC, he’s going to introduce censorship to cancel all those nasty left wing comedians who enrage the rightwing snowflakes, and replace them with...well...there aren’t any good rightwing comedians who haven’t already been on the BBC, so...

[martin_p]

BBC U-turns in Last Night of the Proms row as it announces Rule Britannia WILL be sung

Well that will upset that one guy who wrote the article in The Times.

[evensteadiereddie]

Meanwhile, our pupils return to the schools that are apparently er, institutionally sexist and racist in their treatment of working -class white boys............
I wonder if any of our posters have got round to following up their allegations on either a local or wider level ?

[Damo]

Huzzah!

And now a Tory is in charge of the BBC, he’s going to introduce censorship to cancel all those nasty left wing comedians who enrage the rightwing snowflakes, and replace them with...well...there aren’t any good rightwing comedians who haven’t already been on the BBC, so...

Right wing comedy was cancelled years ago pal.
Comedy relies on being able to take the p*ss out of people, and the only people its socially acceptable to take the p*ss out of is white blokes, the working class or right wing politicians children.

[HahaYeah]

5 Dec 2019

Article from 5 Dec 2019.

Why must comedians like Nish Kumar and Jo Brand be anti-Tory and anti-Brexit to get ‘approved’ by BBC?

BBC-approved comedians dominate the maintained sector of British comedy.

Auntie is the superpower of sponsored satire, scattering munificence in the direction of any up-and-coming talent with a neat line in attacking approved targets: The patriarchy, Brexit, Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson, Tories, country-sports enthusiasts, royalists and Priti Patel. You get the picture.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10486599/ ... dians-bbc/

[evensteadiereddie]

Great, isn't it ?

[AndrewJB]

Right wing comedy was cancelled years ago pal.
Comedy relies on being able to take the p*ss out of people, and the only people its socially acceptable to take the p*ss out of is white blokes, the working class or right wing politicians children.

It was never cancelled. People just stopped finding racist jokes funny. The generations who did are dying out. So there’s no major market for that stuff anymore, and a sizeable number of people who actively hate it. It’s not to say you’re not allowed to laugh at it, but like any fashion, things change.

You’re wrong that there aren’t any rightwing comedians. I enjoy Northcott, Wenn, and Evans; but if you’re looking for racist jokes, they might not be your bag.