Ashes third test

This Forum is the main messageboard to discuss all things Claret and Blue and beyond
Post Reply
nil_desperandum
Posts: 7653
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:06 pm
Been Liked: 1917 times
Has Liked: 4254 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:55 am

criminalclaret wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:31 am


My point remains exactly the same, I expected this done by tomorrow tea. England have made too many mistakes and not capitalised on Autralias. That's throughout the whole series.
Very much doubt Australia will declare early tomorrow, (despite a forecast of rain.)
Don't forget they only need a draw, so I imagine they'll bat as long as they can to ensure there's no chance of an England miracle win.

Lancasterclaret
Posts: 23343
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:09 pm
Been Liked: 8058 times
Has Liked: 4714 times
Location: Riding the galactic winds in my X-wing

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:57 am

You saw yesterday when we dropped catches all over the place

Its not depressing because its a work in progress, but you can't drop people who go on to make runs in test cricket, especially if they are regulation catches

fatboy47
Posts: 5300
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:58 am
Been Liked: 2852 times
Has Liked: 3210 times
Location: Isles of Scilly

Re: Ashes third test

Post by fatboy47 » Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:57 am

Jim Maxwell on TMS just said he felt that there was little to choose between the sides in respect of batting and bowling, and that the fielding, especially behind the wicket, has been the difference and the reason it's looked so one-sided.

I tend to agree.

Bordeauxclaret
Posts: 11193
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:36 pm
Been Liked: 3611 times
Has Liked: 2229 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:04 pm

fatboy47 wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:57 am
Jim Maxwell on TMS just said he felt that there was little to choose between the sides in respect of batting and bowling, and that the fielding, especially behind the wicket, has been the difference and the reason it's looked so one-sided.

I tend to agree.
Despite all the doom mongers on here I think that’s spot on.
Apart from it looking one sided because it really hasn’t.
This user liked this post: Lancasterclaret

Ric_C
Posts: 2768
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:22 am
Been Liked: 1012 times
Has Liked: 174 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Ric_C » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:06 pm

Our catching has cost us the ashes potentially.

Other than Mitch Marsh, no one has looked comfortable on this wicket

Lancasterclaret
Posts: 23343
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:09 pm
Been Liked: 8058 times
Has Liked: 4714 times
Location: Riding the galactic winds in my X-wing

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:07 pm

Ric_C wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:06 pm
Our catching has cost us the ashes potentially.

Other than Mitch Marsh, no one has looked comfortable on this wicket
And Mitch Marsh absolutely baz balled it

kentonclaret
Posts: 7949
Joined: Sun Jan 31, 2016 4:06 pm
Been Liked: 1196 times
Has Liked: 245 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by kentonclaret » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:09 pm

Ric_C wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:06 pm
Our catching has cost us the ashes potentially.

Other than Mitch Marsh, no one has looked comfortable on this wicket

Ditch BAZ ball practice CATCH ball ;)

Clive 1960
Posts: 1994
Joined: Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:15 am
Been Liked: 290 times
Has Liked: 531 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Clive 1960 » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:13 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:04 pm
Despite all the doom mongers on here I think that’s spot on.
Apart from it looking one sided because it really hasn’t.
I tend to agree that it's been close other than the fielding but let's be honest when as any team declared first innings on day 1 with your main batter still there on a 100 and could easily have got another 50 with sensible batting , for me we lost the Ashes that day being arrogant.

kentonclaret
Posts: 7949
Joined: Sun Jan 31, 2016 4:06 pm
Been Liked: 1196 times
Has Liked: 245 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by kentonclaret » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:16 pm

Fielding is and always has been a key part of cricket. One of the oldest adages being “Catches win Matches”.

Spijed
Posts: 17931
Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:33 pm
Been Liked: 3028 times
Has Liked: 1324 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Spijed » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:19 pm

The problem with Bairstow behind the stumps is that his reaction time is very poor. It's as though he doesn't follow the movement of the ball well enough.

Tribesmen
Posts: 5639
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:15 am
Been Liked: 1292 times
Has Liked: 691 times
Location: Tibet

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Tribesmen » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:19 pm

Hard work this morning but still think England can get close to their score they have a chance .

Really dislike the Aussies i must say .

Casper2
Posts: 2259
Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2022 9:38 am
Been Liked: 455 times
Has Liked: 138 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Casper2 » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:22 pm

Maybe if they practiced instead of playing golf they would hold on to a few more catches.

kentonclaret
Posts: 7949
Joined: Sun Jan 31, 2016 4:06 pm
Been Liked: 1196 times
Has Liked: 245 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by kentonclaret » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:24 pm

If we can’t get close to the Australia first innings total, or even go past it, in what are perfect batting conditions it really will have been a rank poor effort.

alwaysaclaret
Posts: 1730
Joined: Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:51 am
Been Liked: 291 times
Has Liked: 600 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by alwaysaclaret » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:27 pm

Irrespective of the result of this match, surely we can't carry stokes any longer, had we have been able to take the 1s and 2s in the last one we could arguably have squared the series, we're in a similar position here that his mobility is costing runs, I'm actually surprised he didn't get his knee sorted in the winter, knowing we had the most important series in world cricket coming up.

claretonthecoast1882
Posts: 11591
Joined: Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:59 pm
Been Liked: 4725 times
Has Liked: 57 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:29 pm

Bit harsh on Stokes, without his 155 we would have got nowhere near. The other 6 batsmen in the 2nd innings managed just over 100 between them.

alwaysaclaret
Posts: 1730
Joined: Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:51 am
Been Liked: 291 times
Has Liked: 600 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by alwaysaclaret » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:33 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:29 pm
Bit harsh on Stokes, without his 155 we would have got nowhere near. The other 6 batsmen in the 2nd innings managed just over 100 between them.
Don't mean to be, and I agree, but as I say with the 1s and 2s we, or should I say he could arguably have won the game.

Newcastleclaret93
Posts: 13046
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:29 pm
Been Liked: 1920 times
Has Liked: 383 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:35 pm

Harsh on stokes

He pulls through when we need him most usually

alwaysaclaret
Posts: 1730
Joined: Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:51 am
Been Liked: 291 times
Has Liked: 600 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by alwaysaclaret » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:38 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:35 pm
Harsh on stokes

He pulls through when we need him most usually
As I've said in the last post, don't mean to be, but let's be realistic, he can't keep playing on and on like this, the longer he goes surely the more damage.

claretonthecoast1882
Posts: 11591
Joined: Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:59 pm
Been Liked: 4725 times
Has Liked: 57 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:39 pm

alwaysaclaret wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:33 pm
Don't mean to be, and I agree, but as I say with the 1s and 2s we, or should I say he could arguably have won the game.

Who would you pick instead to get his 150+ runs and then the 1s and 2s.

Had the 6 batsmen scored an extra 7 runs each we would have won also.

Casper2
Posts: 2259
Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2022 9:38 am
Been Liked: 455 times
Has Liked: 138 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Casper2 » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:42 pm

That’s just stupidity

fatboy47
Posts: 5300
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:58 am
Been Liked: 2852 times
Has Liked: 3210 times
Location: Isles of Scilly

Re: Ashes third test

Post by fatboy47 » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:42 pm

Shelling peas😐

Casper2
Posts: 2259
Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2022 9:38 am
Been Liked: 455 times
Has Liked: 138 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Casper2 » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:43 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:35 pm
Harsh on stokes

He pulls through when we need him most usually
You mean martyr

alwaysaclaret
Posts: 1730
Joined: Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:51 am
Been Liked: 291 times
Has Liked: 600 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by alwaysaclaret » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:43 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:39 pm
Who would you pick instead to get his 150+ runs and then the 1s and 2s.

Had the 6 batsmen scored an extra 7 runs each we would have won also.
That's the million dollar question, and I don't have the answer unfortunately, but again I agree if the openers were doing a better job we wouldn't be needing stokes so badly.

Conroysleftfoot
Posts: 2458
Joined: Sat May 09, 2020 2:06 pm
Been Liked: 424 times
Has Liked: 336 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Conroysleftfoot » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:43 pm

Casper2 wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:42 pm
That’s just stupidity
Couldn't agree more

Newcastleclaret93
Posts: 13046
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:29 pm
Been Liked: 1920 times
Has Liked: 383 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:43 pm

What the hell is wrong with English batters

onewillieirvine
Posts: 684
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:08 am
Been Liked: 112 times
Has Liked: 122 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by onewillieirvine » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:43 pm

This is a real weary batting effort.

Burnley1989
Posts: 8515
Joined: Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:19 am
Been Liked: 2662 times
Has Liked: 2357 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Burnley1989 » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:43 pm

Part of me wonders if Ali actually likes being out there, he has all the tools but comes across as completely braindead

Steve-Harpers-perm
Posts: 6440
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:52 am
Been Liked: 2089 times
Has Liked: 969 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:44 pm

Give me the definition of pure stupidity Moeen!
This user liked this post: JohnDearyMe

Clive 1960
Posts: 1994
Joined: Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:15 am
Been Liked: 290 times
Has Liked: 531 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Clive 1960 » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:44 pm

What a pathetic shot to get out to , had he not learned a couple of shots before.

sjb
Posts: 1493
Joined: Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:15 pm
Been Liked: 565 times
Has Liked: 528 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by sjb » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:44 pm

Absolutely brainless. How Ali gets anywhere near a Test team is ridiculous. Stokes must take some responsibility for asking this busted flush if he wanted to come back.

JohnDearyMe
Posts: 3020
Joined: Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:31 pm
Been Liked: 722 times
Has Liked: 2352 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by JohnDearyMe » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:45 pm

onewillieirvine wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:43 pm
This is a real weary batting effort.
Only 20 minutes to lunch as well. Madness!

Vino blanco
Posts: 5681
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:42 pm
Been Liked: 2027 times
Has Liked: 2062 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Vino blanco » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:45 pm

Who the f.ck said Moeen Ali was a test cricketer? Abysmal performance, he and Bairstow should not play for England for a long, long time, if ever.

Newcastleclaret93
Posts: 13046
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:29 pm
Been Liked: 1920 times
Has Liked: 383 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:45 pm

I just don’t get his logic. Lunch is in 15 mins why not just do what he’s done for the last hour

alwaysaclaret
Posts: 1730
Joined: Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:51 am
Been Liked: 291 times
Has Liked: 600 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by alwaysaclaret » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:46 pm

Casper2 wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:42 pm
That’s just stupidity
Fully agree, he been warned it was coming the one before, but he doesn't have to play at them, Cummins just reeled him in, and that's where they've been better making decisions, setting traps etc.

Lancasterclaret
Posts: 23343
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:09 pm
Been Liked: 8058 times
Has Liked: 4714 times
Location: Riding the galactic winds in my X-wing

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:48 pm

Admiral Akbar is better at spotting traps than this lot

Casper2
Posts: 2259
Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2022 9:38 am
Been Liked: 455 times
Has Liked: 138 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Casper2 » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:49 pm

Bairstow in for his batting is paying dividends

Clive 1960
Posts: 1994
Joined: Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:15 am
Been Liked: 290 times
Has Liked: 531 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Clive 1960 » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:53 pm

Shot selection again as let us down first Johnny and now Ali .

RVclaret
Posts: 16204
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:30 am
Been Liked: 4468 times
Has Liked: 3009 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by RVclaret » Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:00 pm

What an absolutely awful morning session.

Newcastleclaret93
Posts: 13046
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:29 pm
Been Liked: 1920 times
Has Liked: 383 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:00 pm

Useless

sjb
Posts: 1493
Joined: Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:15 pm
Been Liked: 565 times
Has Liked: 528 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by sjb » Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:00 pm

And another one gone

Steve-Harpers-perm
Posts: 6440
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:52 am
Been Liked: 2089 times
Has Liked: 969 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:00 pm

Dreadful and mindless cricket. Still least it’s really exciting to watch if you happen to be Australian.

DAVETHEVICAR
Posts: 3434
Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:33 pm
Been Liked: 936 times
Has Liked: 1794 times
Location: Lincoln

Re: Ashes third test

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:01 pm

Awful England batting
Could be a whitewash 5-0
Not in the same league as the Australians

Newcastleclaret93
Posts: 13046
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:29 pm
Been Liked: 1920 times
Has Liked: 383 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:01 pm

Can anyone tell me how the most in form batter in the country can’t even get in this squad?

Baffling

alwaysaclaret
Posts: 1730
Joined: Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:51 am
Been Liked: 291 times
Has Liked: 600 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by alwaysaclaret » Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:01 pm

Yet another we don't need to play at, absolutely pathetic.

Conroysleftfoot
Posts: 2458
Joined: Sat May 09, 2020 2:06 pm
Been Liked: 424 times
Has Liked: 336 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Conroysleftfoot » Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:02 pm

The commentators keep saying it's an excellent wicket for batting because the ball is coming on to the bat, so how come we are 142 for 7.

JohnDearyMe
Posts: 3020
Joined: Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:31 pm
Been Liked: 722 times
Has Liked: 2352 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by JohnDearyMe » Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:02 pm

Maybe the England selectors should use an IQ test as part of the selection criteria in future

alwaysaclaret
Posts: 1730
Joined: Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:51 am
Been Liked: 291 times
Has Liked: 600 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by alwaysaclaret » Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:03 pm

DAVETHEVICAR wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:01 pm
Awful England batting
Could be a whitewash 5-0
Not in the same league as the Australians
Correct, light years ahead of us

Casper2
Posts: 2259
Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2022 9:38 am
Been Liked: 455 times
Has Liked: 138 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Casper2 » Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:03 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:01 pm
Can anyone tell me how the most in form batter in the country can’t even get in this squad?

Baffling
Obviously his face doesn’t fit , like Foakes

Casper2
Posts: 2259
Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2022 9:38 am
Been Liked: 455 times
Has Liked: 138 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by Casper2 » Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:03 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:02 pm
Maybe the England selectors should use an IQ test as part of the selection criteria in future
Need to test their IQs first
This user liked this post: JohnDearyMe

warksclaret
Posts: 8518
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:13 pm
Been Liked: 2261 times
Has Liked: 1242 times

Re: Ashes third test

Post by warksclaret » Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:04 pm

I believe Captain and coach for England do not interfere with player's decision making and the shots they play. Its very much showing in all three test matches. We are playing a very good Australian side, and this "gung-ho" attitude is just not working. Too many English batsmen are giving their wickets away

Post Reply