Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[Pearcey]

Need to keep Esteve unless the money is daft.

[123EasyasBFC]

Left footed young and good on the ball. I'd be in no rush to sell, there's a big shortage of those types so he will always be in demand.

If the fee we paid for him is 12m then you’d imagine a bid of 20m would make our board accept

[Goliath]

If the fee we paid for him is 12m then you’d imagine a bid of 20m would make our board accept

I don't think it's that straight forward. I presume they look at what his peak value could be potentially and whether his value is likely to increase further etc.
With Esteve we could be talking about a 40 millipm pound centre back if we go up and he has a good season.

Also a season playing every week in the Champ will be good for him, just like it was for Keane and Harwood-Bellis.

[Ric_C]

We'd be crazy to sell Esteve, unless he demands a transfer

[Vegas Claret]

has he actually even signed for us ?

[RVclaret]

Esteve is better than Collins was and we got 20m for him. He’s also left footed which as mentioned above adds extra value. I think we should demand at least 25 if not 30m for him.

[RVclaret]

has he actually even signed for us ?

Yes..

[Newcastleclaret93]

Yes..

Has he formally signed? The window doesn’t open for another month.

[Vegas Claret]

Has he formally signed? The window doesn’t open for another month.

this is the concern

[Swizzlestick]

The club said the deal had been made permanent when they announced the retained list.

[Pearcey]

I thought we’d already triggered the permanent deal.

[Vegas Claret]

The club said the deal had been made permanent when they announced the retained list.

I missed that, thanks Swizzle

[randomclaret2]

Everton in for Esteve according to L'Equipe

[CoolClaret]

Everton in for Esteve according to L'Equipe

Interesting - Branthwaite must have suitors then.

[Swizzlestick]

Man United are heavily linked with Branthwaite.

[dandeclaret]

Esteve is better than Collins was and we got 20m for him. He’s also left footed which as mentioned above adds extra value. I think we should demand at least 25 if not 30m for him.

How much did they pay for him? What has he done to increase his value by many multiples?

[bumba]

Everton in for Esteve according to L'Equipe

If Everton are to get more points deductions before the season even starts how the hell are they still allowed to sign players?
Surely a transfer embargo until finances have been sorted should be put in place?
Kalvin Phillips and Esteve they've been linked with today it's a joke

[NewClaret]

How much did they pay for him? What has he done to increase his value by many multiples?

Been absolutely superb at 21 since he came in.

If Branthwaite is worth the rumoured £60m then for a LCB it justifies that kind of price for him.

[Lord_Bob]

Dyche playing a blinder. Sell Branthwaite for $60M+ and buy a young LCB for $20m to go alongside Tarky. Get a young talented CB and get $40M to add to the depleted coffers.

[Goliath]

Dyche playing a blinder. Sell Branthwaite for $60M+ and buy a young LCB for $20m to go alongside Tarky. Get a young talented CB and get $40M to add to the depleted coffers.

Also apparently selling Onana for big money and looking at Kalvin Phillips on loan. If he can get him back to fitness that's great business.

[RVclaret]

How much did we pay for him? What has he done to increase his value by many multiples?

10m fee mentioned at the time.

Showed he is more than capable of playing in the Premier League, despite being young and being dropped in from a foreign league.

There’s a reason West Ham and Everton are keen.

[bumba]

If they get £60 + for Branthwaite then we need to tell them at least £45 + for Esteve

[mybloodisclaret]

How long a deal did Esteve sign? Hoping 5 years.

[dandeclaret]

10m fee mentioned at the time.

Showed he is more than capable of playing in the Premier League, despite being young and being dropped in from a foreign league.

There’s a reason West Ham and Everton are keen.

Yeah - and that reason is they know somebody who signs for £10m, plays half a season in a team that gets relegated, isn't going to cost them anywhere near £25-£30m.

[Neil]

Esteve is better than Collins was and we got 20m for him. He’s also left footed which as mentioned above adds extra value. I think we should demand at least 25 if not 30m for him.

Not sure you can say with any conviction that Esteve is better than Collins was.

Collins was absolutely superb during his time here other than giving that penalty away against Newcastle.

[RVclaret]

Yeah - and that reason is they know somebody who signs for £10m, plays half a season in a team that gets relegated, isn't going to cost them anywhere near £25-£30m.

Lavia cost Chelsea 50-60m from Saints last season who finished 1 point more than us.

[RVclaret]

Not sure you can say with any conviction that Esteve is better than Collins was.

Collins was absolutely superb during his time here other than giving that penalty away against Newcastle.

In my view he’s faster, better in duels and showed capabilities of playing in a team playing with a higher line / less defensive structure.

[dandeclaret]

Lavia had unreal stats didn't he?

Does Esteve have those same sort of impact stats? ON the face of it, 16 games that saw for a centre half

Zero clean sheets
33 goals conceded - over 2 per game

Tripled his value? Really? I can't work out the logic to it.

[Stockbrokerbelt]

Everton spending money don’t make me laugh, read the FT articles on the state of the finances, been supported by a company who can’t afford to buy them but kept them afloat with a cash injection of 200m, which has to be paid back if anyone else buys them at point of sale. It’s the same deal MSL have with them which is reported to be 250m.

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Need to play hardball for Estève.Very impressive for us after he joined and he’s only just turned 22.His value will only increase.Hold out for 25 million minimum plus add ons.Take it or leave it !

[Quicknick]

Keep Esteve and Berg. Maybe I'm in dreamland.

[RVclaret]

Lavia had unreal stats didn't he?

Does Esteve have those same sort of impact stats? ON the face of it, 16 games that saw for a centre half

Zero clean sheets
33 goals conceded - over 2 per game

Tripled his value? Really? I can't work out the logic to it.

What unreal stats did Lavia have?

Looking at it through the lens you are isn’t how clubs recruit anyway. He’s a young, modern left footed centre half that’s proven he can compete well at Prem level. These are rarities. He’s got a high ceiling and signed a 4 year deal with us. I hope he stays and we demand a fee which puts clubs off. Oh and Everton are asking for £70-80m for Branthwaite btw.

[CoolClaret]

Esteve looks unreal tbh - he's not even played 100 senior games of football yet and is probably another that only started to develop around 18 or so (hence being at Montpellier rather than a bigger team in France).

He's a good 'un. I think he will have a full cap by France by 26.

[NewClaret]

In my view he’s faster, better in duels and showed capabilities of playing in a team playing with a higher line / less defensive structure.

Agree with all of this.

Collins was dropped at Wolves and started badly at Brentford too (seems to be back in better form later in the season).

[dandeclaret]

What unreal stats did Lavia have?

Looking at it through the lens you are isn’t how clubs recruit anyway. He’s a young, modern left footed centre half that’s proven he can compete well at Prem level. These are rarities. He’s got a high ceiling and signed a 4 year deal with us. I hope he stays and we demand a fee which puts clubs off. Oh and Everton are asking for £70-80m for Branthwaite btw.

"Of central midfielders who were teenagers at the start of last season in Europe’s top five leagues, Lavia was one of only three who made at least 60 tackles, along with Jude Bellingham (76) and Eduardo Camavinga (68), with his tackle success of 58.3% better than Bellingham’s 55.3. Camavinga’s was success 70.6%, though it should be noted he played several games at left back for Real Madrid."

"It was Lavia’s impressive calmness on the ball that stood out even more, though. He was pressured more often than any Southampton player last season (18.8 pressures per 90) but was still able to complete 86.2% of his passes. That was the most of any Southampton player, but he also completed 79% when he was pressured by an opponent, showing similar ability as the likes of Thiago Alcântara and Pierre-Emile Højbjerg."

"It must be remembered that Lavia doesn’t turn 20 until January 2024, so it is easy to see why Chelsea spent so much money on him. His numbers in several areas can improve, but his ceiling seems to be exceptionally high, with plenty of time to iron out the inevitable rawness that comes at this stage of development, though he must also make sure he continues to play regularly."


These sort of stats.... they're the sorts of things that Esteve will need to be backed by to triple his value in 16 games, not that he's "Proved he can play in the premier league etc etc" - especially when he hasn't.... he's shown he can play in a team that gets relegated, with him playing in defence conceding on average over 2 goals per game. Potential - maybe..... triple his value? Not without the sorts of things written about Lavia above being in the opta and other stats companies highlights.

[Goliath]

How can you use stats for a centre back going into a team without any defensive structure?
The reason we were staying in games was purely down to Esteve and O'Shea defending for their lives whilst left completely exposed over and over again, especially when we started using that man to man press all over the pitch which was pretty insane for one of the worst teams in the league. We should have lost some of those games by 3 or 4 but for the centre backs.

[Woodleyclaret]

Re Esteve we definitely need to keep him and build a team round him.

[RVclaret]

These sort of stats.... they're the sorts of things that Esteve will need to be backed by to triple his value in 16 games, not that he's "Proved he can play in the premier league etc etc" - especially when he hasn't.... he's shown he can play in a team that gets relegated, with him playing in defence conceding on average over 2 goals per game. Potential - maybe..... triple his value? Not without the sorts of things written about Lavia above being in the opta and other stats companies highlights.

Esteve is in the top 3% of PL defenders for interceptions per 90. Top 5% for interceptions + tackles per 90. Top 5% for dribbles stopped. Top 25% for ball carrying distance, top 5% for ball carry’s into the penalty area. Some pretty impressive stats there.

[dandeclaret]

Esteve is in the top 3% of PL defenders for interceptions per 90. Top 5% for interceptions + tackles per 90. Top 5% for dribbles stopped. Top 25% for ball carrying distance, top 5% for ball carry’s into the penalty area. Some pretty impressive stats there.

If they're the ones that are deemed important for position, they're on to a winner. How did those stats compare to Dara O'Shea? Numerically / per 90 - happy to do the work myself, if you have a link.

[RVclaret]

If they're the ones that are deemed important for position, they're on to a winner. How did those stats compare to Dara O'Shea? Numerically / per 90 - happy to do the work myself, if you have a link.

Yeah obv lots of stats to play with and depends what a team wants in a cb like you say. From the eye test, I just feel Esteve’s style + pace is very suited to PL level.

O’Shea: https://fbref.com/en/players/1d042188/s ... ing-Report

Esteve:
https://fbref.com/en/players/1a066e69/s ... ing-Report

[agreenwood]

Everton link must be a non-starter. They don’t have a lot to **** in.

[theduke]

Everton spending money don’t make me laugh, read the FT articles on the state of the finances, been supported by a company who can’t afford to buy them but kept them afloat with a cash injection of 200m, which has to be paid back if anyone else buys them at point of sale. It’s the same deal MSL have with them which is reported to be 250m.

Not sure you've got that fully correct. It's the other investors who had to be paid back. That was a condition of sale by the PL.

[theduke]

If Everton are to get more points deductions before the season even starts how the hell are they still allowed to sign players?
Surely a transfer embargo until finances have been sorted should be put in place?
Kalvin Phillips and Esteve they've been linked with today it's a joke

Why would they get any deductions? They haven't been charged with anything

[Vegas Claret]

If the fee we paid for him is 12m then you’d imagine a bid of 20m would make our board accept

Spurs paid 50 million euros for Van de Ven, we should be looking for at least 30 million because football clubs are stupid

[dandeclaret]

Yeah obv lots of stats to play with and depends what a team wants in a cb like you say. From the eye test, I just feel Esteve’s style + pace is very suited to PL level.

O’Shea: https://fbref.com/en/players/1d042188/s ... ing-Report

Esteve:
https://fbref.com/en/players/1a066e69/s ... ing-Report

Useful site that - does the find similar player feature work well? I've not tried it - will give it a go when I get chance.

[NewClaret]

Everton link must be a non-starter. They don’t have a lot to **** in.

You assume they will if Branthwaite goes, or a takeover goes through.

[dandeclaret]

Useful site that - does the find similar player feature work well? I've not tried it - will give it a go when I get chance.

Just had 10 minutes so ran it through....

Similar players based on premier league stats - top 5

Issa Diop (Fulham)
Calvin Bassey (Fulham)
Illia Zabarnyi (Bournemouth)
Teden Mengi (Luton)
Santiago Bueno (Wolves)

Transfermarket range 6m euros to 20m euros

Handy to do for top 5 leagues - cross checked with Transfermarket - 3m euros to 10m euros - spanish and turkish clubs had most of the players.

Obviously not to be taken as gospel, but a pretty powerful tool and website - I can see wormholes to disappear down all over the place.

[Ric_C]

https://x.com/centregoals/status/179582 ... rTchA&s=19

[agreenwood]

You assume they will if Branthwaite goes, or a takeover goes through.

From what I’ve read they need to sell just to get back on the right side of FFP.

[Targetman]

In my view he’s faster, better in duels and showed capabilities of playing in a team playing with a higher line / less defensive structure.

I'm not sure that you are correct saying that Esteve is better than Collins was?