Burnley vs Plymouth - MATCH THREAD

[KateR]

I would have Egan Riley no where near the first team. A calamity waiting to happen.

good job you're in the minority then, but you are an excellent moaner, I'll give you that

[Vino blanco]

Good first half even though we gave the ball away far too much. The second half was horrible to watch: I honestly didn’t see a recognisable style of play from the whole team. The defence as usual did its job, Brownhill was the pick of the midfield, Foster played well up front on his own, we need to get more men forward as a unit otherwise we won’t be scoring many goals. Very, very happy to get three points, but that second half was awful. I just hope Parker can see the weaknesses and get it sorted.

[BigGaz]

Think if we had Flemming we put 3 or 4 past them.

That's literally the missing part right now, that attacking midfielder/10/second striker. Not worried one jot.

Yeah it's hardly an insurmountable obstacle. I'd like to see a few more bodies in the box also. Not convinced we need a 'double pivot' at home for example.

[Stonehouse]

I’ve been pretty scathing about our last 3 performances but tonight I thought we played just as well as VK’s team last time around for 60 mins ,if only we’d had Tella instead of Foster or Koleosho we’d have won it by half time ,in my humble opinion I’d leave Koleosho out have him as an impact sub .He’s a young at he’s putting to much pressure on himself ,bring him on with 1/2 hr to go and let him do his own thing.2nd in the league and Rovers getting stuffed what’s not to be happy about?

[dvalley69]

Christ we are dull. Defensively set up really well though, even with Egan Riley in there who's nowhere near it we still look relatively solid

You speak like you'd be happy being bottom of the league, but playing entertaining football and getting beat 5-3 every week. Stop watching if it's making you that cheesed off! Jesus Christ. We're 2nd!

[Goliath]

You speak like you'd be happy being bottom of the league, but playing entertaining football and getting beat 5-3 every week. Stop watching if it's making you that cheesed off! Jesus Christ. We're 2nd!

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[ksrclaret]

A win is a win and 17 points after 8 games is excellent.

It's also perfectly true to say that the second half was really negative.

I'll be interested to see us perform much better than that against Preston who will have had a days less rest. No excuses for a second half showing like that again on Saturday.

[BigGaz]

The discourse is amusing.

I think overall vibe with the ULTRA NEGATIVE NAYSAYERS OH MY GOSH is that we're all happy with the points we'd just like to improve things somewhat.

It's okay to think that. There is no need to be upset

[Casper2]

No goals no shots on target. Easy to get mom these days.

Foster has scored 2 goals in 18 at this level, that’s how good he is , some on here think he will score 20 plus this season that’s how clueless some on here are .

[RVclaret]

Foster has scored 2 goals in 18 at this level, that’s how good he is , some on here think he will score 20 plus this season that’s how clueless some on here are .

The irony of you of all people calling others clueless. Good grief.

[warksclaret]

What I would give for an Ings/Vokes partnership at their peak, right now. We just have no depth in this area and are seriously exposed to injuries

[randomclaret2]

I would have Egan Riley no where near the first team. A calamity waiting to happen.

Trouble is we have Roberts, Worrall, Beyer, Ekdal, and Delcroix all out injured. Its amazing we can get a Back 4 out there at all and even more amazing that we have only conceded 4 goals in 8 games...

[NL Claret]

Marvin bartley

How are you Paul? Must have been which channel you watched on, Iwelumo was on Sky + , has Bartley adopted a Scottish accent?

[AGENT_CLARET]

2nd in the league but dull as dish water to watch ZZZZzzzzz

[gsyclaret]

What I would give for an Ings/Vokes partnership at their peak, right now. We just have no depth in this area and are seriously exposed to injuries

I was thinking this during the game, it's what we are lacking at the moment

[dvalley69]

2nd in the league but dull as dish water to watch ZZZZzzzzz

Now you know how it's gonna be, don't watch then, muppet!

[TheFamilyCat]

Very good build up play in the first hour, worked into some very good positions, which was a big improvement but then very wasteful.

Last half hour was a tough watch, could have let a game we had complete control of slip.

[The Shire Claret]

2nd in the league but dull as dish water to watch ZZZZzzzzz

Is this a serious post ?

Have some of our fans become Bolton 2.0 ??

[CoolClaret]

Yeah it's hardly an insurmountable obstacle. I'd like to see a few more bodies in the box also. Not convinced we need a 'double pivot' at home for example.

Depending on the system, I agree. I'm not so sure with the current personnel that we have if we should be playing a lone striker through the middle. I'd like to see an attempt to have two 'wide forwards' (similar to Real Madrid) and two attacking midfielders.

I think Koleosho and Foster would be ideal for that, making runs in to out, opening up space for Flemming and Hannibal or whoever else.

[BigGaz]

I like the sounds of that Cool, that's not a bad shout at all. It keeps being said but I do feel sure Foster is happiest running on to balls or carrying it and we'd unlock a happier LF and a new dimension for the team that lines up with what you're saying.

[GetIntoEm]

Just got in. Can't believe people are saying "hanging on for a win" hanging on? We could have played all night and they werent going to score.

[dvalley69]

Just got in. Can't believe people are saying "hanging on for a win" hanging on? We could have played all night and they werent going to score.

Innit. All those stunning saves made by Trafford kept us in it...

[Quickenthetempo]

If you're going to have two wide men hugging the touchline then you need the centre midfield getting into the box quickly.
Either that or play 3 narrow and get the fullbacks over lapping.

Needs to improve.

[123EasyasBFC]

Surprised at the stick Egan Riley is getting tonight, I thought he was very good tonight and few in confidence and started playing long diagonal passes

[KRBFC]

They have conceded more than 1 goal in two games this season.

Sheff weds first game of the season and against Sunderland where Plymouth actually won.

So this statement has been proven to be nonsense

Nothing but slagged off Kompany even in his promotion winning season, now nothing but positive about Parker. Too easy to see right through.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Solid result and played well overall. Good to see us finally mixing up the slow passing with diagonal balls over the top to stretch them. Thought it was a strange call to sit on the 1-0 lead instead of going for a second, but it worked out in the end.

Only real complaint is that's it's pretty dull, but I'll take a dull team that wins over entertaining losers any day.

Really strange decision not to take Foster off when he initially limped off. Hope he's not done more significant damage as a result.

[Bosscat]

We won and came away with 3 points ...
We are 2nd in the League ...
Get behind Scott P and the lads ffs ...

We have more points after 8 games than last time we were in this division and won the League ...

Come on folks sing along with me
https://youtu.be/V6QhAZckY8w?si=zTF0WLVftBMAXSQ6

[123EasyasBFC]

So many fans across social media and on here have been brainwashed by the champ season we had under kompany. That doesn’t happen often.

We absolutely dominated the first half and on another day been 3 up at half time, all good teams have off days in front of goal.

Second half you have to give credit to Plymouth they pressed us quicker which meant we had to adapt, yes we can pass the ball better but at the end of the day we have won the game and can look forward to the weekend

[xxmunkyennuixx]

First 55 was promising, just final ball missing or some decent movement. We looked an in form striker away from being quite impressive. I was pretty hopeful at half time, their backline was really high and they were narrow. Loads of space in wide channels. It looked like a game made for pace on the counter.

The last phase of the game was abject. Passing backwards without due care and attention. Some of it was properly reckless. Panicking. Time wasting in the corner at home is not game management for supposed promotion contenders in this league. Alot of the players look leggy after 55 minutes which is concerning. I think the first sub should have been multiple not one. Not convinced Hannibal should have been taken off. I would have dropped him deeper to get his energy back there winning the ball back.

Not convinced by Egan Riley. Lots of people on the ratings thread seem pretty generous. I think he is an absolute bomb scare of a defender. Shite under the long ball. Poor passing. Pretty slow for his age and stature. Doesn't read the game. That booking was similar to the one against Bastards. If we can rejig to put Egan in against PNE then I would. Any sort of physical battle/pace and he's not equipped to cope. He is not of the requisite level for this division.

[dvalley69]

First 55 was promising, just final ball missing or some decent movement. We looked an in form striker away from being quite impressive. I was pretty hopeful at half time, their backline was really high and they were narrow. Loads of space in wide channels. It looked like a game made for pace on the counter.

The last phase of the game was abject. Passing backwards without due care and attention. Some of it was properly reckless. Panicking. Time wasting in the corner at home is not game management for supposed promotion contenders in this league. Alot of the players look leggy after 55 minutes which is concerning. I think the first sub should have been multiple not one. Not convinced Hannibal should have been taken off. I would have dropped him deeper to get his energy back there winning the ball back.

Not convinced by Egan Riley. Lots of people on the ratings thread seem pretty generous. I think he is an absolute bomb scare of a defender. Shite under the long ball. Poor passing. Pretty slow for his age and stature. Doesn't read the game. That booking was similar to the one against Bastards. If we can rejig to put Egan in against PNE then I would. Any sort of physical battle/pace and he's not equipped to cope. He is not of the requisite level for this division.

Time wasting in the corner IS game management; we'd have been stupid to be giving possession away after such a 2nd half! We're less than 10 games in and you think we should be doing more at the back end of a game where we leading 1-0, and it's a totally new team. Come on, for god's sake! Game 40 onwards I can can get ya, but so early on in the season. Stop comparing everything with another team!!

[xxmunkyennuixx]

Time wasting in the corner IS game management; we'd have been stupid to be giving possession away after such a 2nd half! We're less than 10 games in and you think we should be doing more at the back end of a game where we leading 1-0, and it's a totally new team. Come on, for god's sake! Game 40 onwards I can can get ya, but so early on in the season. Stop comparing everything with another team!!

That's time wasting against a lower half team that will be around the relegation places all season. Plymouth have very little squad depth and limited resources. For money spent we should be two or three goals better. A team pushing for promotion manages the game by scoring another goal rather than having to resort to keeping it in the corner. We had to resort to keep it in the corner because we were poor for the majority of the second half. You are seeing game management and I'm seeing the thirty minutes of shite before we have to kill it to grab a one nil. Plymouth are not Arsenal or City. Put in a second half performance like that against Sunderland/West Brom etc and the scoreline won't be in our favour. **** it, play like that last thirty against PNE and we will lose.

[Colburn_Claret]

Surprised at the stick Egan Riley is getting tonight, I thought he was very good tonight and few in confidence and started playing long diagonal passes

Apart from the Blackburn game ER has played fine.

[dvalley69]

That's time wasting against a lower half team that will be around the relegation places all season. Plymouth have very little squad depth and limited resources. For money spent we should be two or three goals better. A team pushing for promotion manages the game by scoring another goal rather than having to resort to keeping it in the corner. We had to resort to keep it in the corner because we were poor for the majority of the second half. You are seeing game management and I'm seeing the thirty minutes of shite before we have to kill it to grab a one nil. Plymouth are not Arsenal or City. Put in a second half performance like that against Sunderland/West Brom etc and the scoreline won't be in our favour. **** it, play like that last thirty against PNE and we will lose.

What a load of nonsense. WBA have lsot their last 2 games, Plymouth beat Sunderland! They aren't City or Arsenal!

[AfloatinClaret]

So much for my prediction of 4 nil.

Nearer than my 5 prediction; I think 1 - 0 is the punt from here on

[dvalley69]

That's time wasting against a lower half team that will be around the relegation places all season. Plymouth have very little squad depth and limited resources. For money spent we should be two or three goals better. A team pushing for promotion manages the game by scoring another goal rather than having to resort to keeping it in the corner. We had to resort to keep it in the corner because we were poor for the majority of the second half. You are seeing game management and I'm seeing the thirty minutes of shite before we have to kill it to grab a one nil. Plymouth are not Arsenal or City. Put in a second half performance like that against Sunderland/West Brom etc and the scoreline won't be in our favour. **** it, play like that last thirty against PNE and we will lose.

Coz PNE are clearly better than Plymouth!! It's called seeing a game out!

[AGENT_CLARET]

Is this a serious post ?

Have some of our fans become Bolton 2.0 ??

Can you honestly say you were entertained, yes we won but it's boring to watch

[jojomk1]

If you're going to have two wide men hugging the touchline then you need the centre midfield getting into the box quickly.

Agree - it's that obvious

Pity SP doesn't see it that way

Just have to hope Flemming gets fit quickly and gives some support to Foster

[AGENT_CLARET]

Coz PNE are clearly better than Plymouth!! It's called seeing a game out!

Seeing out a game for the last 40 minute's s plus 8 added on minute's

[Holtyclaret]

How are you Paul? Must have been which channel you watched on, Iwelumo was on Sky + , has Bartley adopted a Scottish accent?

Haha all good pal. Super Marv was with Phil Bird on I follow/clarets +.

[The Shire Claret]

Can you honestly say you were entertained, yes we won but it's boring to watch

100 percent yes I was entertained …

Highs and lows - part of football isn’t it ?

If you attend a football match thinking we are going to have it all our way for 90 minutes then I think you might need to consider watching a new sport or Man City

If better teams on paper always out preformed the lesser opposition then we would never have competed in the premier league

I’m enjoying watching this team evolve.

Very disappointed at the hypocrisy of some of our fans when we were a team in the premier league for years hearing ‘we should be beating teams like Burnley easy’ …

Why do we now think teams will roll over in the championship?


Victory’s will need to be earned with all respect

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[CoolClaret]

I like the sounds of that Cool, that's not a bad shout at all. It keeps being said but I do feel sure Foster is happiest running on to balls or carrying it and we'd unlock a happier LF and a new dimension for the team that lines up with what you're saying.

If you're going to have two wide men hugging the touchline then you need the centre midfield getting into the box quickly.
Either that or play 3 narrow and get the fullbacks over lapping.

Needs to improve.

Exactly, which is why I feel that with the current personnel available we shouldn't be having people starting on the touchline - prefer forwards to pick up space between the fullbacks/centrehalves/DM (read the situation) and try and pull players out of position to send through the other forward/attacking midfielder.

[AGENT_CLARET]

100 percent yes I was entertained …

Highs and lows - part of football isn’t it ?

If you attend a football match thinking we are going to have it all our way for 90 minutes then I think you might need to consider watching a new sport or Man City

If better teams on paper always out preformed the lesser opposition then we would never have competed in the premier league

I’m enjoying watching this team evolve.

Very disappointed at the hypocrisy of some of our fans when we were a team in the premier league for years hearing ‘we should be beating teams like Burnley easy’ …

Why do we now think teams will roll over in the championship?


Victory’s will need to be earned with all respect

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"100 percent yes I was entertained"

It's a game of opinions and mine was it wasn't entertaining it was dull and repetitive but you seem to fling out an insult because I see it differently than you..... Go and watch Man City WOW

"If you attend a football match thinking we are going to have it all our way for 90 minutes then I think you might need to consider watching a new sport or Man City"

I for one have 100% never said or thought we should have it all our own way I've been a Claret for 49 years I know better than to think that, my opinion was that game last night and the previous I attended at Oxford to name just two have been dull.

On the subject of watching city well that could of been a easier option for me along with supporting the red side also, my whole family apart from me was born in Manchester and thankfully my parents moved to Burnley in December 1965 two months before I was born. My Grandma was a blue and my Grandad and dad a red and the rest of my family all mixed between the two Manchester clubs.

They didn't take me to games when I was little and my first game was a Burnley game in the late 70s with my friends and I've been hooked ever since, even back in the dark days of the 80s when the total gate for both home and away fans at Turf Moor was below what away fans bring to Turf Moor today and Burnley away support could of gone on one double decker bus I've never thought this is crap I'll follow the family tradition and watch city or utd instead.

For some fan's it's a results game we buy our season ticket year in year out regardless we don't need entertainment we need to succeed and I'm one of them, was I happy last night we won yes, I'm I happy we sit in the top two yes, was I entertained certainly not.

For what ever personal reason some fan's don't have season tickets they cherry pick game's to attend and at Turf Moor these days games will cost you anything up to £55 per game not including food, drink and travel and some of these fan's come under the they want entertainment bracket to keep them coming back watching games, but dull football like last night for example will not do that.

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[The Shire Claret]

"100 percent yes I was entertained"

It's a game of opinions and mine was it wasn't entertaining it was dull and repetitive but you seem to fling out an insult because I see it differently than you..... Go and watch Man City WOW

"If you attend a football match thinking we are going to have it all our way for 90 minutes then I think you might need to consider watching a new sport or Man City"

I for one have 100% never said or thought we should have it all our own way I've been a Claret for 49 years I know better than to think that, my opinion was that game last night and the previous I attended at Oxford to name just two have been dull.

On the subject of watching city well that could of been a easier option for me along with supporting the red side also, my whole family apart from me was born in Manchester and thankfully my parents moved to Burnley in December 1965 two months before I was born. My Grandma was a blue and my Grandad and dad a red and the rest of my family all mixed between the two Manchester clubs.

They didn't take me to games when I was little and my first game was a Burnley game in the late 70s with my friends and I've been hooked ever since, even back in the dark days of the 80s when the total gate for both home and away fans at Turf Moor was below what away fans bring to Turf Moor today and Burnley away support could of gone on one double decker bus I've never thought this is crap I'll follow the family tradition and watch city or utd instead.

For some fan's it's a results game we buy our season ticket year in year out regardless we don't need entertainment we need to succeed and I'm one of them, was I happy last night we won yes, I'm I happy we sit in the top two yes, was I entertained certainly not.

For what ever personal reason some fan's don't have season tickets they cherry pick game's to attend and at Turf Moor these days games will cost you anything up to £55 per game not including food, drink and travel and some of these fan's come under the they want entertainment bracket to keep them coming back watching games, but dull football like last night for example will not do that.

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It's not an insult - it's a fact about man city although I bet even some of their fans complain

Winning games will get bums on seats ....

If we stay in the championship for the next 2-3 seasons we will be back to 13,000 gates - entertaining or not ....

I'm not meaning to cause insult , far from it .... but I think their needs to be a touch of realism of where we are and the potential of this team.

Football has changed a lot , you've been going long enough to know that by the sounds of it .... a lot of teams play this style... it's today's football

I've been going 30 years and I always do my best to stay humble and bar the Sunderland game we have been the better of every side we have played this season ... faults and all

Working progress but for me , Not boring

Opinions as you say

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[AGENT_CLARET]

It's not an insult - it's a fact about man city although I bet even some of their fans complain

Winning games will get bums on seats ....

If we stay in the championship for the next 2-3 seasons we will be back to 13,000 gates - entertaining or not ....

I'm not meaning to cause insult , far from it .... but I think their needs to be a touch of realism of where we are and the potential of this team.

Football has changed a lot , you've been going long enough to know that by the sounds of it .... a lot of teams play this style... it's today's football

I've been going 30 years and I always do my best to stay humble and bar the Sunderland game we have been the better of every side we have played this season ... faults and all

Working progress but for me , Not boring

Opinions as you say

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I've been watching Burnley since 1977

When you say go watch Man City or a different sport instead of Burnley then that's insulting

Today's football or not....... It's dull

My last words on the subject

[xxmunkyennuixx]

Coz PNE are clearly better than Plymouth!! It's called seeing a game out!

My point is efficacy... pick a team you think will be likely to get promoted. Imagine we play in the same style as we did second half against them do you forsee it being successful?

I don't believe that through the course of a season playing in the fashion we did second half will bring us the points required for promotion. We did not capitalise on Plymouth's open playing style through our poor treatment of the ball and lack of attacking nous in general. I'm not lauding game management when we were forced into implementing it as a result of our own inadequacies in the first thirty of the second half. Plymouth fans singing about us being **** for time wasting at home as an element of truth in it.

I'm not bothered by entertainment, I'm not anti-Parker but for me that second half was abject and deserves criticism. It was not of the required standard.

[Blyclaret]

So the football is dull …. But we get promoted.

[AGENT_CLARET]

So the football is dull …. But we get promoted.

I think we scrape the playoffs using this style and sticking with Foster up front, then it's a lottery

[xxmunkyennuixx]

So the football is dull …. But we get promoted.

I'm not convinced we do and I don't care about style. Put criticism of last night to one side and think about our wider ambitions then I reckon there are two major concerns. The amount of injuries we are suffering from and the unresolved squad weaknesses from the massive overhaul in the transfer window. Plenty of fans pointed at striker and full back as an area of weakness. I like the looks of Flemming but we needed at least one more. The board didn't get it sorted. Plus, the injuries just seem to keep coming.

I don't think Parker holds responsibility for either.

Back to last night. My concern is that second half is not of the required standard to achieve promotion but it is the deficiencies mentioned above on display. It worked last night and I get why some see that as a success but it isn't a long term plan for promotion.

The one element I will place on Parker is Egan Riley instead of rejigged defence featuring Egan.

Some accusations of entitled being floated around in here which I think is undue. For me personally, I prefer the Championship but the take over necessitates us being in the Premier League. Two seasons down here maximum and then the club could be serious trouble.