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Re: Next manager

Post by gandhisflipflop » Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:27 pm

Murger wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:13 pm
I’d take Corberan over Lampard.
What has corberan actually done?

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Re: Next manager

Post by Raconteur » Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:27 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:47 am
No, so that’s complete bullsh1t.
So i take it Beyern did not interview Kompany?

How do people ever get a new job if they are not allowed to take an interview while being employed :roll:

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Re: Next manager

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:30 pm

golden days wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:40 am
Can you interview somebody who is already in a job?
Kompany did and a million before him around the world

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Re: Next manager

Post by randomclaret2 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:38 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:27 pm
What has corberan actually done?
Got both Hudds and WBA into the Championship play offs whilst operating under tight financial restrictions.

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Re: Next manager

Post by warksclaret » Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:41 pm

I have no doubt Corberan has been interviewed not only by ourselves but Leicester too. Quite a few Leicester fans down here in Leics would take Corberan, on the basis that they quite conceivably will be going down with the forthcoming points deduction and transfer embargo, they feel they could keep him knowing he could get them promoted again, but ensuring some manager continuity which they have lacked in the last 10-12 years

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Re: Next manager

Post by gandhisflipflop » Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:42 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:38 pm
Got both Hudds and WBA into the Championship play offs whilst operating under tight financial restrictions.
So not a lot then.

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Re: Next manager

Post by randomclaret2 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:47 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:42 pm
So not a lot then.
But enough to get him an interview it would seem...

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Re: Next manager

Post by Murger » Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:49 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:42 pm
So not a lot then.
What had Kompany and Dyche achieved before they got the job?
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Re: Next manager

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:49 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:42 pm
So not a lot then.
Must admit not really getting the hype over Corberan. West Brom always looked distinctly average when they were on sky last season. Anyway whoever we appoint hopefully it’s done soon and we are ready for the new season.
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Re: Next manager

Post by gandhisflipflop » Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:49 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:47 pm
But enough to get him an interview it would seem...
Yeah it would seem. I’m just playing devils advocate here because people would take him, but not Lampard who also got a team into the play offs despite off field issues.

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Re: Next manager

Post by NewClaret » Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:49 pm

morninbob wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:11 am
6 managers interviewed according to this, including lampard and coberan.
https://www.footballinsider247.com/fran ... e-sources/
Some of that ties in with what I was told although I was told 5 candidates with all interviews on Wednesday, which I thought sounded unlikely as couldn’t understand why they were waiting until the middle of the week for something I’d have though is quite pressing and also that they’d want several hours per candidate to inform a huge decision. Also logistically just can’t see how you’d get them all together on one day, so that article makes more sense.

Maybe it was 5 external + Bellamy interviewed.

I was told Lampard, Parker & Bellamy + two foreign managers. I assume now one of those was Tudor.

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Re: Next manager

Post by gandhisflipflop » Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:51 pm

Murger wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:49 pm
What had Kompany and Dyche achieved before they got the job?
Nothing, but as I said, people scoff at Parker who has two championship promotions and Lampard who was a whisker away from a play off final win but not corberan. It makes no sense.
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Re: Next manager

Post by gandhisflipflop » Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:52 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:49 pm
Some of that ties in with what I was told although I was told 5 candidates with all interviews on Wednesday, which I thought sounded unlikely as couldn’t understand why they were waiting until the middle of the week for something I’d have though is quite pressing and also that they’d want several hours per candidate to inform a huge decision. Also logistically just can’t see how you’d get them all together on one day, so that article makes more sense.

Maybe it was 5 external + Bellamy interviewed.

I was told Lampard, Parker & Bellamy + two foreign managers. I assume now one of those was Tudor.
If there is the slightest chance of Tudor we must take it.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Murger » Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:53 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:51 pm
Nothing, but as I said, people scoff at Parker who has two championship promotions and Lampard who was a whisker away from a play off final win but not corberan. It makes no sense.
I’d say getting Huddersfield and WBA into the playoffs with zero funds is better than what Lampard did at Derby.

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Re: Next manager

Post by NewClaret » Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:58 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:52 pm
If there is the slightest chance of Tudor we must take it.
I can’t confess to say I know a lot about him at all. Anyone got any links to playing style or tactics stuff?

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Re: Next manager

Post by CoolClaret » Sat Jun 15, 2024 1:03 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:58 pm
I can’t confess to say I know a lot about him at all. Anyone got any links to playing style or tactics stuff?
3-4-2-1, hard pressing and direct (not necessarily hoof ball).

I think we have the personnel for 3 at the back - I like 3 atb when you're a team expected to dominant, not so much when you're expected to massively lose the possession battle (see Scotland vs Germany last night).

It could be a nothing link, but I do wonder if Pace/board has had advice on managers' preferred style and if they're a fit or not with our existing squad, because I do believe we are pretty much tailor-made for that sort of setup.

----O'Shea-Beyer-Esteve
Vitinho--Berge-Cullen--Luca?
-------Benson-----Odobert
------------Foster

Something like that - Ekdal can easily come in CB and Beyer to RCB, same with Chaz/Delcroix at LCB, Sambo RWB perhaps.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Jamesy » Sat Jun 15, 2024 1:05 pm

Do any of us think the Nasal Knight will be Prime Minister before our new manager is announced?
It could be a close run thing, unlike the General Election.

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Re: Next manager

Post by randomclaret2 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 1:05 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:52 pm
If there is the slightest chance of Tudor we must take it.
I'm genuinely not trying to be argumentative, but Im interested to know why ?

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Re: Next manager

Post by Spike » Sat Jun 15, 2024 1:16 pm

If we get Tudor will we walk out to Swords of a Thousand Men ?
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Re: Next manager

Post by scouseclaret » Sat Jun 15, 2024 1:42 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:58 pm
I can’t confess to say I know a lot about him at all. Anyone got any links to playing style or tactics stuff?
Me neither, but on the basis that he hasn’t lasted a year in any job since his first at Hadjuk Split, I’d be very wary. Decent win percentage but few achievements.

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Re: Next manager

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Sat Jun 15, 2024 1:48 pm

If football insiders are correct that 6 have been interviewed and it’s a big if are we going with the 6 being

1. Lampard
2. Parker
3. Rosenior
4. Bellamy
5. Corberhan
6. RVN or Tudor

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Re: Next manager

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 1:54 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:52 pm
If there is the slightest chance of Tudor we must take it.
What makes you say that?

It doesn’t appear he’s done particularly well anywhere he’s managed

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Re: Next manager

Post by dannyonclarets » Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:00 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 1:48 pm
If football insiders are correct that 6 have been interviewed and it’s a big if are we going with the 6 being

1. Lampard
2. Parker
3. Rosenior
4. Bellamy
5. Corberhan
6. RVN or Tudor
Tudor King, Lampard, Rosenior or Corberhan

Lampard I'd say gives us the best chance of going straight back up. Although to be fair, despite what some people say on here, we have the best squad in the Championship and should go back up regardless of who is in charge.

Rosenior and Corberhan I put under the same hat. Both have massive potential who could remain loyal to the club for many years while also being successful. They both need a board who believes and sticks by them.
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Re: Next manager

Post by NewClaret » Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:00 pm

scouseclaret wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 1:42 pm
Me neither, but on the basis that he hasn’t lasted a year in any job since his first at Hadjuk Split, I’d be very wary. Decent win percentage but few achievements.
I imagine that’s how we came across him given there will be a lot of data analysis as part of the process. Although that wouldn’t explain Lampard :D

I was told one of the foreign guys is Dutch (but not RVN - who I wouldn’t mind so hoping that’s duff info) but on the basis there will be a lot of data analysis involved if someone cares to look for Dutch managers with good win records we could possibly guess him.

I’d still really like Knutsen but no links whatsoever there so I’m hoping they’ve mixed up Dutch with Norwegian :lol:

Of the ones we know about, I’ve come around to Lampard.
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Re: Next manager

Post by golden days » Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:05 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:00 pm
I imagine that’s how we came across him given there will be a lot of data analysis as part of the process. Although that wouldn’t explain Lampard :D

I was told one of the foreign guys is Dutch (but not RVN - who I wouldn’t mind so hoping that’s duff info) but on the basis there will be a lot of data analysis involved if someone cares to look for Dutch managers with good win records we could possibly guess him.

I’d still really like Knutsen but no links whatsoever there so I’m hoping they’ve mixed up Dutch with Norwegian :lol:

Of the ones we know about, I’ve come around to Lampard.
I don't know tudors history other he doesn't stay anywhere long.... Of the rest it has to be Lampard

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Re: Next manager

Post by Silkyskills1 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:19 pm

golden days wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:05 pm
I don't know tudors history
1485 - 1603. Henry VII after the Battle of Bosworth Field until the death of Queen Elizabeth 1st in the 45 th year of her reign. Henry VIII, Edward VI, Mary Tudor also very much part of the story. What? ☹️
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Re: Next manager

Post by NewClaret » Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:30 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 1:03 pm
3-4-2-1, hard pressing and direct (not necessarily hoof ball).

I think we have the personnel for 3 at the back - I like 3 atb when you're a team expected to dominant, not so much when you're expected to massively lose the possession battle (see Scotland vs Germany last night).

It could be a nothing link, but I do wonder if Pace/board has had advice on managers' preferred style and if they're a fit or not with our existing squad, because I do believe we are pretty much tailor-made for that sort of setup.

----O'Shea-Beyer-Esteve
Vitinho--Berge-Cullen--Luca?
-------Benson-----Odobert
------------Foster

Something like that - Ekdal can easily come in CB and Beyer to RCB, same with Chaz/Delcroix at LCB, Sambo RWB perhaps.
I’ve just written a massive reply to this and accidentally deleted it :oops: :oops: :oops:

So I’ll summarise: thanks for info, not a fan of 3 at the back in the champ as it sacrifices a midfielder but could be better in the prem if we get there, does make use of our CB’s but not our million wingers or 0 wingbacks. So not sure.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Quicknick » Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:36 pm

I've come around to wanting Lampard.

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Re: Next manager

Post by jos » Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:41 pm

Yep, let’s go for Frank.

Who’s going to give Alan a bell and give him our decision? 😁
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Re: Next manager

Post by Fizzy » Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:42 pm

Quicknick wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:36 pm
I've come around to wanting Lampard.
I'm getting to that stage too

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Re: Next manager

Post by golden days » Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:09 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:30 pm
Kompany did and a million before him around the world
There's a lot of different rules around football, so that's why I asked
Kompany got permission, with just compo to sort out, we've got a list of 6? No guarantee any of them get the job, so why would WBA agree?

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Re: Next manager

Post by warksclaret » Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:08 pm

Bellamy now drifted 14/1 on Skybet. The fluctuations in two weeks have been incredible

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Re: Next manager

Post by willsclarets » Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:33 pm

Tudor has managed 319 games and had 10 jobs. Some top teams in there and some good results it seems, but a big red flag that he essentially lasts a season and leaves wherever he goes.
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Re: Next manager

Post by CoolClaret » Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:41 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:30 pm
I’ve just written a massive reply to this and accidentally deleted it :oops: :oops: :oops:

So I’ll summarise: thanks for info, not a fan of 3 at the back in the champ as it sacrifices a midfielder but could be better in the prem if we get there, does make use of our CB’s but not our million wingers or 0 wingbacks. So not sure.
It depends for me really three at the back - for teams that are expected to have a good go at it I don't mind three at the back... even in the Championship season we often played three at the back in possession, it's when you're massively up against it if you don't have a decent midfield and a good target man to bring others into play that you end up really penned in - again see Scotland against Gernany last night.

Think back to Conte's Chelsea and what he did with Victor Moses turning him into a very attack minded wing back... I think Luca Koleosho could play a similar role on the left hand side.

I think Vitinho is suited to a wing back role and perhaps Sambo from what I've read, again with the wingers they can play more like inside forwards or 'dual 10s', I think they can absolutely do that.

It's probably a nothing link but who knows eh.
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Re: Next manager

Post by beddie » Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:41 pm

I think I’d prefer Lampard to Corberhan. Lampard would imo attract better players and be more media savvy which Pace will prefer. Parker maybe but he always comes across to me as boring.
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Re: Next manager

Post by NewClaret » Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:43 pm

willsclarets wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:33 pm
Tudor has managed 319 games and had 10 jobs. Some top teams in there and some good results it seems, but a big red flag that he essentially lasts a season and leaves wherever he goes.
Yeah, you have to question that. We need more than a season from whoever we sign although getting us up
Is important too.

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Re: Next manager

Post by NewClaret » Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:45 pm

Who’s this Corberhan guy we’ve been linked with? :D

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Re: Next manager

Post by RVclaret » Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:54 pm

Raconteur wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:27 pm
So i take it Beyern did not interview Kompany?

How do people ever get a new job if they are not allowed to take an interview while being employed :roll:
Ha yeah I was assuming it was an inference about football, where clubs must get permission to speak to a manager otherwise it’s a possible tapping up situation. There’s no way Burnley have directly interviewed Corberan without it being reported by anywhere (except the sh1te footballinsider), and we’d have needed to request permission from West Brom, which would also be public.

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Re: Next manager

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jun 15, 2024 6:12 pm

golden days wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:40 am
Can you interview somebody who is already in a job?
In terms of football managers the answer is only with permission from his employer. That’s the theory but in practice it happens.
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Re: Next manager

Post by NewClaret » Sat Jun 15, 2024 6:14 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 6:12 pm
In terms of football managers the answer is only with permission from his employer. That’s the theory but in practice it happens.
That’d be my expectation.

Have you heard anything more Tony?

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Re: Next manager

Post by CoolClaret » Sat Jun 15, 2024 6:26 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:00 pm
I imagine that’s how we came across him given there will be a lot of data analysis as part of the process. Although that wouldn’t explain Lampard :D

I was told one of the foreign guys is Dutch (but not RVN - who I wouldn’t mind so hoping that’s duff info) but on the basis there will be a lot of data analysis involved if someone cares to look for Dutch managers with good win records we could possibly guess him.

I’d still really like Knutsen but no links whatsoever there so I’m hoping they’ve mixed up Dutch with Norwegian :lol:

Of the ones we know about, I’ve come around to Lampard.
Van Bronckhorst?!

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Re: Next manager

Post by Roosterbooster » Sat Jun 15, 2024 6:27 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:51 pm
Nothing, but as I said, people scoff at Parker who has two championship promotions and Lampard who was a whisker away from a play off final win but not corberan. It makes no sense.
I think people are looking at more than just isolated seasons. Parker has had 2 good seasons. But also some terrible ones. Including his latest. Same for Lampard, although it's fair to say Lampard failed with a very good potential Derby team in one of his "good seasons".

Corberán has mostly had good seasons, including arguably over-performing in 3 Championship seasons.

You can cherry pick to get what you want, but the general trajectories of their managerial careers are in different directions
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Re: Next manager

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Jun 15, 2024 6:31 pm

Suppose it depends on how you measure ‘over performed’. Think quite a few are so desperate for it not to be Lampard or Parker they’ll take any of the other names linked.

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Re: Next manager

Post by dannyonclarets » Sat Jun 15, 2024 6:37 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 6:31 pm
Suppose it depends on how you measure ‘over performed’. Think quite a few are so desperate for it not to be Lampard or Parker they’ll take any of the other names linked.
Out of a job and no income like they had when they were in management. They will all want to be in the rounds.

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Re: Next manager

Post by NewClaret » Sat Jun 15, 2024 7:29 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 6:26 pm
Van Bronckhorst?!
I know we’re desperate for left back but…

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Next manager

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Sat Jun 15, 2024 8:26 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 6:26 pm
Van Bronckhorst?!
Or Van bommel maybe

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Re: Next manager

Post by gandhisflipflop » Sat Jun 15, 2024 8:44 pm

Bergkamp?

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Re: Next manager

Post by Claret Till I Die » Sat Jun 15, 2024 8:50 pm

Jordi Cruyff?

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Re: Next manager

Post by brexit » Sat Jun 15, 2024 8:50 pm

Shaggy wrote:
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I’ll raise you a Ted McMinn
I call you with John Francis

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Re: Next manager

Post by brexit » Sat Jun 15, 2024 8:58 pm

Igor Tudor linked - can you imagine the "swords of a thousand men overlaid with the "monster mash" Cricket Field will meltdown
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