Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020

[bobinho]

I’m surprised you haven’t condensed your “both sides” rubbish a bit more than that by now, given how often you’ve used it.

Nothing wrong with criticising Labour for the mistakes / faults of Labour, but Brexit and austerity are 100% the fault of the Tories. You can’t “both sides” those two sh1tshows (and maintain any credibilty).

Remind us again why austerity is required...

[Jakubclaret]

Cheers for that Jakub

Yet again I do find myself wondering if you have an accurate grasp of what is going on.

I do, in terms of negotiating tactics the EU seized upon a split indecisive nation & used it to they advantage & still are doing, & certain elements are making a thrust for a 2nd referendum/people's vote when the no deal is the default, had things played out differently this would have been sewn up & done & dusted by now. Since 23rd June 2016 the idea has been to thwart Brexit & place as many obstacles as possible within it's course.

[Greenmile]

Remind us again why austerity is required...

Because of the global financial crisis. Remember?

[Lancasterclaret]

Amazing how remainers and the EU conspired to hold that election?

Outstanding that they managed to force Theresa May to only talk to the 52% or the ERG?

Incredibly, a combination of the ERG, the DUP, the EU and remainers managed to frustrate your Brexit eh?

No bother though, you've been pretty much on Brexit message since Day 1 so you'll just ignore all that at a guess

[hampsteadclaret]

I take it all back claret in a t rex, itf hampers is advocating civil unrest because he didn't get his way,, call him whatever you want.

Crosspool, managed no deal still negatively affects the UK economy.

That's the reality

You’ll have to show me where I was advocating civil unrest... please be really clear..?

Is that what I was doing.. really..?
- or describing what I think a likely outcome may be, somewhere down the line?

Please tell me I was ‘advocating’ anything as you suggest..where did I do that..?

Not surprised one bit that some of you are already slowly DISTANCING yourself from future (possible) UK events/ situations... we can see where this is going - some called it a long time ago... it wasn’t difficult.

As predictable as night following day, no surprises.
Pathetic.

[South West Claret.]

I do, in terms of negotiating tactics the EU seized upon a split indecisive nation & used it to they advantage & still are doing, & certain elements are making a thrust for a 2nd referendum/people's vote when the no deal is the default, had things played out differently this would have been sewn up & done & dusted by now. Since 23rd June 2016 the idea has been to thwart Brexit & place as many obstacles as possible within it's course.

I’m not surprised JC because most people think it’s a lost cause trying to leave the EU after being in it for so long...and so it’s proving.

[Greenmile]

I do, in terms of negotiating tactics the EU seized upon a split indecisive nation & used it to they advantage & still are doing, & certain elements are making a thrust for a 2nd referendum/people's vote when the no deal is the default, had things played out differently this would have been sewn up & done & dusted by now. Since 23rd June 2016 the idea has been to thwart Brexit & place as many obstacles as possible within it's course.

Just as predicted, Brexit goes to sh1t (as was always destined to happen), and its all the fault of the folk who voted against it.

Brexiters will never take responsibility for their own actions and decisions. When Hampstead is arrested for smashing up the town centre, he’ll no doubt be blaming remainers for making him do it by removing his reasons to vote or something.

[Greenmile]

You’ll have to show me where I was advocating civil unrest... please be really clear..?

Is that what I was doing.. really..?
- or describing what I think a likely outcome may be, somewhere down the line?

Please tell me I was ‘advocating’ anything as you suggest..where did I do that..?

Not surprised one bit that some of you are already slowly DISTANCING yourself from future (possible) UK events/ situations... we can see where this is going - some called it a long time ago... it wasn’t difficult.

As predictable as night following day, no surprises.
Pathetic.

What “future (possible) UK events / situations” are some of us distancing ourselves from? You and your mates rioting because your unicorns never arrived? How would that be the fault of remainers?

[Jakubclaret]

Amazing how remainers and the EU conspired to hold that election?

Outstanding that they managed to force Theresa May to only talk to the 52% or the ERG?

Incredibly, a combination of the ERG, the DUP, the EU and remainers managed to frustrate your Brexit eh?

No bother though, you've been pretty much on Brexit message since Day 1 so you'll just ignore all that at a guess

Certain people have been complaining from day 1 onwards from the 23rd & have never taken to the idea & never will, leaving the EU or remaining is a continuing fight between both sides when the result should have been embraced warmly despite part of 48% not agreeing, not tarring all remainers with the same brush some have accepted democracy & have begrudgingly backed brexit on the basis of it’s the will of the people.

[hampsteadclaret]

3107/3108... truly tragic posts.

I could have set my clock by it.

It’s started though, just about on time.

[dpinsussex]

Getting bored of politics.


City 7 nil up in the Champions League.

Makes our results look quite good against them

[Jakubclaret]

Just as predicted, Brexit goes to sh1t (as was always destined to happen), and its all the fault of the folk who voted against it.

Brexiters will never take responsibility for their own actions and decisions. When Hampstead is arrested for smashing up the town centre, he’ll no doubt be blaming remainers for making him do it by removing his reasons to vote or something.

So you can honestly say hand on heart the 48% hasn’t influenced the EU & strengthened they hand when negotiating has been the forefront. You can accept reality or subscribe to LC version of reality.

[hampsteadclaret]

What “future (possible) UK events / situations” are some of us distancing ourselves from? You and your mates rioting because your unicorns never arrived? How would that be the fault of remainers?

Your first question there Greenmile..
Do I really need to type out an answer to that..?
Really?

No I’m not going to do it, I’m watching the City match?


Is Lancs going to answer my reasonable question?

[Greenmile]

Certain people have been complaining from day 1 onwards from the 23rd & have never taken to the idea & never will, leaving the EU or remaining is a continuing fight between both sides when the result should have been embraced warmly despite part of 48% not agreeing, not tarring all remainers with the same brush some have accepted democracy & have begrudgingly backed brexit on the basis of it’s the will of the people.

Certain other people have been complaining for about 40 years. Why didn’t you accept democracy and warmly embrace the outcome of the 1975 referendum? It was the will of the people, after all and, as I understand it, that can never change.

Not only that, it was won by more than a wafer-thin majority and didn’t involve one side telling demonstrable lies and breaking the law.

[Greenmile]

Your first question there Greenmile..
Do I really need to type out an answer to that..?
Really?

No I’m not going to do it, I’m watching the City match?


Is Lancs going to answer my reasonable question?

I’ll answer your “reasonable” question.

You didn’t advocate civil unrest for the same reason that you’ve just avoided my reasonable question. You haven’t got the courage, so you just make insinuations that you can walk back when you get called out on them.

It’s really far more transparent than I think you intended it to be.

[Devils_Advocate]

Hamstead seems to be really losing his marbles following tonights Brexit shenanigans

[Jakubclaret]

Certain other people have been complaining for about 40 years. Why didn’t you accept democracy and warmly embrace the outcome of the 1975 referendum? It was the will of the people, after all and, as I understand it, that can never change.

Not only that, it was won by more than a wafer-thin majority and didn’t involve one side telling demonstrable lies and breaking the law.

I wasn’t born pre 1975 so I can’t think of a better excuse than that, sorry can’t help you on that score, maybe some of the older posters will have a better idea of what went on then & the feelings around that time, actually I’d be interested to hear that if anybody else posts regarding the 1975 referendum.

[Lancasterclaret]

Pathetic?

Physician, heal thyself

[elwaclaret]

Certain other people have been complaining for about 40 years. Why didn’t you accept democracy and warmly embrace the outcome of the 1975 referendum? It was the will of the people, after all and, as I understand it, that can never change.

Not only that, it was won by more than a wafer-thin majority and didn’t involve one side telling demonstrable lies and breaking the law.

Really? pretty sure it was just as bent as this one. Ted Heath Lied through his teeth to make it happen

[Greenmile]

I wasn’t born pre 1975 so I can’t think of a better excuse than that, sorry can’t help you on that score, maybe some of the older posters will have a better idea of what went on then & the feelings around that time, actually I’d be interested to hear that if anybody else posts regarding the 1975 referendum.

Plenty of folk were too young to vote in 2016. Are they allowed to not “warmly embrace” the (attempted) destruction of their future prospects by the poorly-educated?

[hampsteadclaret]

Just as predicted, Brexit goes to sh1t (as was always destined to happen), and its all the fault of the folk who voted against it.

Brexiters will never take responsibility for their own actions and decisions. When Hampstead is arrested for smashing up the town centre, he’ll no doubt be blaming remainers for making him do it by removing his reasons to vote or something.

A poor poor post.

Is that really the best you can do?

I’ve never smashed up anything in my life, and my grey hair and beer belly suggest that I’m not about to start now.

I will type it really clear for those who would rather falsely attempt to smear me in an infantile way.

It is reasonably ( not totally) clear where this is going over the next....who knows what time period?

It’s a shambles and an undemocratic disgrace.

BREXIT as voted for ( fairly) is not going to happen however others attempt to dress it up.

Democracy here will have been denied and seriously damaged for a long time, and there will be repercussions.

Trying to camouflage that with puerile invented stuff about me, is weak and disappointing.

[Greenmile]

Really? pretty sure it was just as bent as this one. Ted Heath Lied through his teeth to make it happen

Demonstrable lies? Like what?

This is a genuine question, btw, I’m not doubting you. Like Jakub, the first referendum was a little before my time and I don’t know a huge amount about it. It was presumably far more difficult to spread obvious lies back then though, without targeted Facebook ads etc. Unless you ran a newspaper, I suppose.

[Lancasterclaret]

Course, all this pensioners kicking off is hilarious, but we are still nowhere near where we need to be with about two weeks left.

Putting our faith in the politicians to sort this out doesn't bode well does it?

[Jakubclaret]

Plenty of folk were too young to vote in 2016. Are they allowed to not “warmly embrace” the (attempted) destruction of their future prospects by the poorly-educated?

The way it’s going we’ll all be dead by then & yes it’s more likely the 1s who couldn’t vote in 2016 will be eligible to have a say on the future of the UK & EU. Maybe that’s the master plan stall for as long as possible, the older leave supporters will pass away & the younger remain supporters will be at the voting age.

[South West Claret.]

Really? pretty sure it was just as bent as this one. Ted Heath Lied through his teeth to make it happen

I have voted to stay in the 70s and this time but then the EU was much smaller and easier to navigate then, I didn’t get the impression it was bent at all, but it was a long time ago and I wasn’t as savvy as I am now I’m older.

[Greenmile]

A poor poor post.

Is that really the best you can do?

I’ve never smashed up anything in my life, and my grey hair and beer belly suggest that I’m not about to start now.

I will type it really clear for those who would rather falsely attempt to smear me in an infantile way.

It is reasonably ( not totally) clear where this is going over the next....who knows what time period?

It’s a shambles and an undemocratic disgrace.

BREXIT as voted for ( fairly) is not going to happen however others attempt to dress it up.

Democracy here will have been denied and seriously damaged for a long time, and there will be repercussions.

Trying to camouflage that with puerile invented stuff about me, is weak and disappointing.

“There will be repercussions”

The threat of someone too cowardly to actually come out and make the threat themselves. Like a mafia goon saying “nice place you got here. It’d be a real shame if something were to happen to it.”

Define these repercussions. If (as I suspect) they involve civil unrest, who will carry them out and how will it be the fault of anyone but the rioters (etc) themselves?

[hampsteadclaret]

[quote="Devils_Advocate"]Hamstead seems to be really losing his marbles following tonights Brexit shenanigans
[/quote

I’d treat your inane ramblings slightly more favourably if you could spell my name properly.. it’s there on the screen..

H a m p s t e a d

Not that tricky really.

Not really losing my marbles.. no no don’t usually do that.

[Greenmile]

The way it’s going we’ll all be dead by then & yes it’s more likely the 1s who couldn’t vote in 2016 will be eligible to have a say on the future of the UK & EU. Maybe that’s the master plan stall for as long as possible, the older leave supporters will pass away & the younger remain supporters will be at the voting age.

Nope. Sorry. That’s just word-salad.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Talk that now May will vote against no deal and go with an extension of up to a year, or longer. That would remove all guise of believing in Brexit.

Without doubt her standing in the party would then collapse. The party have stayed faithful till now - the Tory members love their PM, whoever it is.

Heaven only knows what happens then.

[AlargeClaret]

I have voted to stay in the 70s .

So did 52% of the country !

[hampsteadclaret]

“There will be repercussions”

The threat of someone too cowardly to actually come out and make the threat themselves. Like a mafia goon saying “nice place you got here. It’d be a real shame if something were to happen to it.”

Define these repercussions. If (as I suspect) they involve civil unrest, who will carry them out and how will it be the fault of anyone but the rioters (etc) themselves?

You oaf.

Ask decent questions, and have a large cup of strong coffee.
I am stating the obvious... if you think I’m not, check out tomorrow’s newspapers (any of them)..

They will say the same as me.

Lancs gone to bed..?

[Lancasterclaret]

The EU won't entertain a year or longer.

Certainly everything I've read suggest the EU will never agree to that.

Unless we have a plan bloody quickly, then we are in just as much **** as we've always been.

Lab. remainers of all parties, people vote followers, Ind Grp lot have to agree on something. That isn't a guarantee, especially when Corbyn called for a general election instead of another vote. The time for that kind of thing is past. We need a solution.

[elwaclaret]

I have voted to stay in the 70s and this time but then the EU was much smaller and easier to navigate then, I didn’t get the impression it was bent at all, but it was a long time ago and I wasn’t as savvy as I am now I’m older.

Been a pretty good series by Andrew Marr, that tells as we now know it to be “History of modern Britain” still available from the BBC that will surprise you as much as it did me in parts. We get to know only what they want us to believe.... always have, always will

[Lancasterclaret]

Lancs gone to bed..?

Nope! Watched Juve-Madrid

Ronaldo outstanding

Hamps, perfectly happy to believe you might have been misquoted, but a simple "it would be unacceptable to use violence to get my Brexit through" would certainly help!

[Lancasterclaret]

We get to know only what they want us to believe.... always have, always will

Only if you let them. Not living in a bubble with your info sources helps wonders with that one.

[Greenmile]

You oaf.

Ask decent questions, and have a large cup of strong coffee.
I am stating the obvious... if you think I’m not, check out tomorrow’s newspapers (any of them)..

They will say the same as me.

Lancs gone to bed..?

I’ll come back and apologise if tomorrow’s Guardian runs a story about the threat of pensioners smashing up our town centres because they’re not getting the unicorns they were promised - I presume they’ll have the guts to actually say it instead of just making insinuations.

[South West Claret.]

Been a pretty good series by Andrew Marr, that tells as we now know it to be “History of modern Britain” still available from the BBC that will surprise you as much as it did me in parts. We get to know only what they want us to believe.... always have, always will

Having always had an interest in social anthropology I like to think that I know quite a bit more than the average bear without trying too sound big headed.

Also I tend to listen a lot on the world service which gives an international view on most things that are important to reflect on.

[Greenmile]

Nope! Watched Juve-Madrid

Ronaldo outstanding

Hamps, perfectly happy to believe you might have been misquoted, but a simple "it would be unacceptable to use violence to get my Brexit through" would certainly help!

It would, but then that would defeat the object of him implying that we should ensure he gets the Brexit he wants to avoid civil unrest (by whom? Your guess is as good as mine, and Hampstead’s not telling)

[hampsteadclaret]

Yes I was misquoted glad you put that right, thanks.

Yes there will be big trouble (I think) - not sure why I’m such an ogre for suggesting that it may happen down the line.

I can remember the Poll Tax Riots.

(World) History is littered with examples of dissent when reasonable democratic decisions are denied to the populace... how many examples do you want?

Today was bad ( but not surprising) tomorrow will be similar - where we go after that who knows but I can’t see a proper Brexit taking place, which is what 52 vs 48 were hoping for.

The UK is in a serious mess.

Bedtime.

[Lancasterclaret]

As long as we all agree that violence is the last thing we need right now, happy with that!

[bfcjg]

I have always believed we needed at least two years minimum to get the full facts then another two years to sort out a deal before the notice was given. You can't untangle nearly fifty years virtually overnight. I wanted a deal based on what we joined not what the Common Market has become.

[Greenmile]

As long as we all agree that violence is the last thing we need right now, happy with that!

You’ll note Hampstead hasn’t said that though, despite your invitation for him to do so. I wonder why (I don’t really).

[Damo]

didn’t involve one side telling demonstrable lies and breaking the law.

This is exactly the kind of nonsense people come out with when they only listen to the opinion of a small handful of like minded people

[martin_p]

This is exactly the kind of nonsense people come out with when they only listen to the opinion of a small handful of like minded people

Which of those two things are nonsense?

[South West Claret.]

OK just to sum up before I turn in that we are all in favour of that elusive informed referendum Right?

Nite all.

[elwaclaret]

Only if you let them. Not living in a bubble with your info sources helps wonders with that one.

Since when is referencing living in a bubble?

[Damo]

Which of those two things are nonsense?

The first one Martin. And probably the second but I could be wrong. I'm sure you will post some figures quoting how much leave and remain both spent on their respective campaigns

[Jakubclaret]

Which of those two things are nonsense?

It’s nonsense, if you take into consideration spunking tax payers money on pro eu leaflets nobody asked for, in my eyes that’s a far bigger crime but people seem to conveniently forget that when trotting out the bus slogans.

[Greenmile]

It’s nonsense, if you take into consideration spunking tax payers money on pro eu leaflets nobody asked for, in my eyes that’s a far bigger crime but people seem to conveniently forget that when trotting out the bus slogans.

Not in the eyes of the law though, which is what “illegal” means.

[Jakubclaret]

Not in the eyes of the law though, which is what “illegal” means.

So that makes it right then as long as it’s legal it’s ok.