Summer transfer window

[123EasyasBFC]

Agreed.

I recall when we smashed Bournemouth 4-0 at home, Vydra (and Lennon) were exceptional that game and we tore them to pieces, playing some real good stuff.

Had a bit of an off game in the following match at Cardiff, where he was subbed (but we still won!), then we never really saw him again - bizarre!

At the end of 20/21 season Vydra and wood seemed to get a real good partnership together and then first game of 21/22 Brighton at home he started Jay Rod instead of Vydra with Wood, always felt that was his season to hit the numbers

[Clive 1960]

Agreed.

I recall when we smashed Bournemouth 4-0 at home, Vydra (and Lennon) were exceptional that game and we tore them to pieces, playing some real good stuff.

Had a bit of an off game in the following match at Cardiff, where he was subbed (but we still won!), then we never really saw him again - bizarre!

Heard he turned up late because of accident on route i heard ..

[jojomk1]

From SSN

Chelsea keeper Petrovic headed to Sunderland?
Djordje Petrovic appears likely to remain in the Premier League with the Serbian goalkeeper set to join Sunderland in a transfer which will net Chelsea a cool £21.5m, write The Daily Mirror.

One the one hand shows additional financial backing given to the Sunderland manager

One the other, £21.5m for this guy would surely add strength to BFC's resolve to hold

out for way more cash from Newcastle for Trafford

[Guller Bull]

According to rumours on BBC Elanga to Newcastle is close at £55mill -

[jojomk1]

According to rumours on BBC Elanga to Newcastle is close at £55mill -

They'll end up with more wingers than us

[Newcastleclaret93]

From SSN

Chelsea keeper Petrovic headed to Sunderland?
Djordje Petrovic appears likely to remain in the Premier League with the Serbian goalkeeper set to join Sunderland in a transfer which will net Chelsea a cool £21.5m, write The Daily Mirror.

One the one hand shows additional financial backing given to the Sunderland manager

One the other, £21.5m for this guy would surely add strength to BFC's resolve to hold

out for way more cash from Newcastle for Trafford

You reckon? I think this damages how much cash we can get for Trafford.

Chelsea keeper that started over 25 games for a top 4 side last year and full international keeper (25 years old) only going for 21m. Makes our 40m request totally unrealistic

[Guller Bull]

You reckon? I think this damages how much cash we can get for Trafford.

Chelsea keeper that started over 25 games for a top 4 side last year and full international keeper (25 years old) only going for 21m. Makes our 40m request totally unrealistic

That’s excellent news then!

[claretonthecoast1882]

You reckon? I think this damages how much cash we can get for Trafford.

Chelsea keeper that started over 25 games for a top 4 side last year and full international keeper (25 years old) only going for 21m. Makes our 40m request totally unrealistic

It was 2 seasons ago when Chelsea played him and only then once Sanchez got injured. They sent him out on loan last season picking Jorgensen instead.

This fee will have no bearing on Trafford's

[wilks_bfc]

From SSN

Chelsea keeper Petrovic headed to Sunderland?
Djordje Petrovic appears likely to remain in the Premier League with the Serbian goalkeeper set to join Sunderland in a transfer which will net Chelsea a cool £21.5m, write The Daily Mirror.

One the one hand shows additional financial backing given to the Sunderland manager

One the other, £21.5m for this guy would surely add strength to BFC's resolve to hold

out for way more cash from Newcastle for Trafford

Not sure signing a Djordje will go down too well in Sunderland

[Archie Claret]

Not sure signing a Djordje will go down too well in Sunderland

Nice one Wilks!

[jojomk1]

You reckon? I think this damages how much cash we can get for Trafford.

Chelsea keeper that started over 25 games for a top 4 side last year and full international keeper (25 years old) only going for 21m. Makes our 40m request totally unrealistic

He was on loan at Strasbourg all last season ?

[martin_p]

You reckon? I think this damages how much cash we can get for Trafford.

Chelsea keeper that started over 25 games for a top 4 side last year and full international keeper (25 years old) only going for 21m. Makes our 40m request totally unrealistic

You can’t underestimate how much Trafford being English is to a team playing in European competition these days.

[boatshed bill]

You reckon? I think this damages how much cash we can get for Trafford.

Chelsea keeper that started over 25 games for a top 4 side last year and full international keeper (25 years old) only going for 21m. Makes our 40m request totally unrealistic

What about the fact that Trafford is a better goalkeeper? That may affect the difference in valuation.
For what it's worth I reckon we'll eventually settle at a package around £32m.

[Woodleyclaret]

I for one will be very unhappy if we give another keeper away to money bags Newcastle. Nick Popes fee was a disgrace and if Newcastle can splurge cash on Elanga they can pay £40m for Traff No cut price deals.

[Newcastleclaret93]

It was 2 seasons ago when Chelsea played him and only then once Sanchez got injured. They sent him out on loan last season picking Jorgensen instead.

This fee will have no bearing on Trafford's

Fair point for some reason I thought it was last.

Not sure I agree about it having no bearing. It’s just another example of keepers not going for mega money in this league.

Tbh I just hope we stick with 40m valuation and price Newcastle out

[BigBadBarnes]

Newcastle have plenty of money, but they can't spend it yet due to the PSR rules. If they are dropping 50m+ on Elanga then they are less likely to have space to spend on Trafford. Selling Isak could help them, but of course then they would need to spend to replace him too.

[ecc]

All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

Central heating.

[NewClaret]

You reckon? I think this damages how much cash we can get for Trafford.

Chelsea keeper that started over 25 games for a top 4 side last year and full international keeper (25 years old) only going for 21m. Makes our 40m request totally unrealistic

I disagree Newcastle. Trafford is three years younger - so that’s three more years of his career you get for your money, whilst holding his resale value for longer - and a future England number 1, which you pay a premium for.

The interesting bit is they’ve bid £55m for Elanga, so they have money. Message to them is simple: you’ll pay the right price for other clubs young players, pay the right price for ours.

It’d all be much easier if Chelsea stepped in though.

[NewClaret]

Newcastle have plenty of money, but they can't spend it yet due to the PSR rules. If they are dropping 50m+ on Elanga then they are less likely to have space to spend on Trafford. Selling Isak could help them, but of course then they would need to spend to replace him too.

Their PSR situation relieved itself on July 1st, I think, but they’re choosing to spend it on Elanga. What they have left in the pot after that I don’t know.

If I was Trafford and they were spending that on him but trying to scrimp on my signing, I can’t say I’d be too impressed.

[Jakubclaret]

I disagree Newcastle. Trafford is three years younger - so that’s three more years of his career you get for your money, whilst holding his resale value for longer - and a future England number 1, which you pay a premium for.

The interesting bit is they’ve bid £55m for Elanga, so they have money. Message to them is simple: you’ll pay the right price for other clubs young players, pay the right price for ours.

It’d all be much easier if Chelsea stepped in though.

Never in a month of Sundays we'll get the £40m it'll end up undisclosed to avoid any backlash. I'm of the belief we paid over the odds which will reflect in our eventual profit margin when he's properly valued. He does have potential & promise but to realistically expect a £40 mil valuation you need to demonstrate PL ability for at least a full season & that's something that hasn't happened yet.

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

Will the full £19m be due for traff? We were relegated so I imagine it won't be as there will more than likely been a "staying up" clause in it.

[Steddyman]

Never in a month of Sundays we'll get the £40m it'll end up undisclosed to avoid any backlash. I'm of the belief we paid over the odds which will reflect in our eventual profit margin when he's properly valued. He does have potential & promise but to realistically expect a £40 mil valuation you need to demonstrate PL ability for at least a full season & that's something that hasn't happened yet.

Hopefully he will with us this year. But then he will only have a year left on his contract so also wont go for anywhere near £40 million. I think we will accept £30-32 million.

[Jakubclaret]

Hopefully he will with us this year. But then he will only have a year left on his contract so also wont go for anywhere near £40 million. I think we will accept £30-32 million.

I think the club will eventually broker some sort of a deal it's in everybody's interests to. Newcastle might be rich but they aren't stupid & will only go so far the guehi protracted negotiations told us that.

[NewClaret]

Never in a month of Sundays we'll get the £40m it'll end up undisclosed to avoid any backlash. I'm of the belief we paid over the odds which will reflect in our eventual profit margin when he's properly valued. He does have potential & promise but to realistically expect a £40 mil valuation you need to demonstrate PL ability for at least a full season & that's something that hasn't happened yet.

We’ll see I guess. I think it depends on whether Chelsea come in and, if they do, how much Newcastle want him. I don’t necessarily subscribe to the “must have achieved x or y” theory, as I think you’re essentially paying for potential. If Newcastle turn out to be the only interested party, I agree. If they’re not it becomes who is willing to pay the most.

I’d prefer we keep him but per Steddyman’s post below that probably requires us to sign him up on a new contract, which I can’t really see happening.

[aggi]

Their PSR situation relieved itself on July 1st, I think, but they’re choosing to spend it on Elanga. What they have left in the pot after that I don’t know.

If I was Trafford and they were spending that on him but trying to scrimp on my signing, I can’t say I’d be too impressed.

For PSR calculations signing a player on 30 June or 1 July makes virtually zero difference.

[Jakubclaret]

We’ll see I guess. I think it depends on whether Chelsea come in and, if they do, how much Newcastle want him. I don’t necessarily subscribe to the “must have achieved x or y” theory, as I think you’re essentially paying for potential. If Newcastle turn out to be the only interested party, I agree. If they’re not it becomes who is willing to pay the most.

I’d prefer we keep him but per Steddyman’s post below that probably requires us to sign him up on a new contract, which I can’t really see happening.

In any case like I said if it's undisclosed we won't really know & will be guessing & clutching numbers out of thin air. Potential is a grey area because it's not guaranteed to be realized you can sign a player & the next day he can have a career ending injury.

[NewClaret]

In any case like I said if it's undisclosed we won't really know & will be guessing & clutching numbers out of thin air. Potential is a grey area because it's not guaranteed to be realized you can sign a player & the next day he can have a career ending injury.

Although it’s usually reported as undisclosed, typically the journalists report the price so we’ll get an idea.

Yeah, all signings carry risk. Every young wonder kid United have signed from abroad in recent years is the same - no Premier League experience and a total punt, and of course all signings can be injured immediately, potential or experienced.

For now we have to hope he’s on others radar. I think having moved two GKs on this window there’s a chance Chelsea and maybe even United come in. Then there’s the question over whether City would want to activate the buy back to prevent either from happening.

[CrosspoolClarets]

This Petrovic news is very concerning.

He had an amazing season last year in Ligue 1, many Chelsea fans rate him better than Sanchez, he is young, a full international, and I feel he is better than Trafford now even though Trafford has a higher ceiling. His kicking in particular is a lot better.

So that will improve Sunderland massively.

If we sell Trafford I had much preferred WE would buy Petrovic instead. Experience, talent and resale value. If we don’t sell Trafford, fine, because he will constantly improve. I can see why Sunderland are acting early before we have a vacancy.

[claretlegend]

Linked with Jens Cajuste of Napoli on Twitter. Played at Ipswich last year. Edit - link from Sport Sports Lyall Thomas. Palace, Besiktas and Sevilla also interested.

[Colburn_Claret]

I don't know if it's been mentioned on here already, but I understand the stumbling block is Citehs 20% sell on clause.it means unless we get a really god price for him we'll be gaining nothing, or very little.
30 mill to Newcastle would only be 24 to us. Considering his last season and his regular call up to the England squad, and the fact he still has 2 years left on his contract, we have to play hardball.
There's also value in him being English, with clubs having to maintain a certain level of home grown players in their squads.

[Big Vinny K]

This Petrovic news is very concerning.

He had an amazing season last year in Ligue 1, many Chelsea fans rate him better than Sanchez, he is young, a full international, and I feel he is better than Trafford now even though Trafford has a higher ceiling. His kicking in particular is a lot better.

So that will improve Sunderland massively.

If we sell Trafford I had much preferred WE would buy Petrovic instead. Experience, talent and resale value. If we don’t sell Trafford, fine, because he will constantly improve. I can see why Sunderland are acting early before we have a vacancy.

If all of that is correct why has he ended up as Chelsea’s third choice keeper behind 2 keepers who Chelsea do not think are good enough for them either ? (hence them looking for new keepers and trying to buy the AC Milan keeper a few weeks ago)

Not so sure being a “full international” is that big of thing either. Muric is one of those too.

I agree it could improve Sunderland though as their keeper last season looked a long way from being ready for EPL. Also agree that it’s a vital position for us that we need to get right if / when we lose Trafford. Not sure spending £21m on a guy unproven in the EPL would be my preference though. Much rather play safe on this particular position on the pitch and go for experience in the EPL with keepers like Pope or Ramsdale.

[distortiondave]

I don't know if it's been mentioned on here already, but I understand the stumbling block is Citehs 20% sell on clause.it means unless we get a really god price for him we'll be gaining nothing, or very little.
30 mill to Newcastle would only be 24 to us. Considering his last season and his regular call up to the England squad, and the fact he still has 2 years left on his contract, we have to play hardball.
There's also value in him being English, with clubs having to maintain a certain level of home grown players in their squads.

We bought him for £19m, so if we sell for £30m City get 20% of £11m, so more like £2m.

[mybloodisclaret]

We bought him for £19m, so if we sell for £30m City get 20% of £11m, so more like £2m.

No we didn't. £14 m rising to £19 m with add ons.

Given his Premier league performance (admittedly he was thrown into the deep end by VK) it's hard to think that other than appearances many add ons would have been met.

Once again.... THE INITIAL FEE FOR JAMES TRAFFORD'S TRANSFER TO BURNLEY WAS £14,000,000.

[bumba]

I don’t actually remember that, I thought Worrall was RCB and then CJ came in a played every game? I honestly can’t see it without a 3 at the back & Esteve central. Is a good point that we seem to be overlooking we’ve signed him for a lot of money.

Maybe also Sonne was brought in for a 5 at the back formation, thinking about it? I’m forgetting him too.

From what I saw I'm not sure where Sonne would fit in this season surely he's 3rd choice now then we've Sambo too.
Humphreys played right back and right centre back last season but majority at left back

[alwaysaclaret]

No we didn't. £14 m rising to £19 m with add ons.

Given his Premier league performance (admittedly he was thrown into the deep end by VK) it's hard to think that other than appearances many add ons would have been met.

Once again.... THE INITIAL FEE FOR JAMES TRAFFORD'S TRANSFER TO BURNLEY WAS £14,000,000.

So is it not more than likely that most of those add-ons will now have taken effect, given that the first was likely promotion under vk, and then the next to be in the full England squad etc. A further one may have been appearances based in the Premier league, which he may not have reached and could well have actually been the reason he was dropped for muric, just asking. But I'd take a guess we're not far from the £19m.

[Claretfanatic1982]

I don't know if it's been mentioned on here already, but I understand the stumbling block is Citehs 20% sell on clause.it means unless we get a really god price for him we'll be gaining nothing, or very little.
30 mill to Newcastle would only be 24 to us. Considering his last season and his regular call up to the England squad, and the fact he still has 2 years left on his contract, we have to play hardball.
There's also value in him being English, with clubs having to maintain a certain level of home grown players in their squads.

Surely the 20% due to Man City is on the profit.

Can you imagine if we sold him for £14m ( never gonna happen) and then had to give City 20%. We would be out of pocket.

Only a lunatic would agree to them terms.

[martin_p]

So is it not more than likely that most of those add-ons will now have taken effect, given that the first was likely promotion under vk

I don’t think we’d have given them an add-on for something that happened before he was signed.

[claretspice]

Linked with Jens Cajuste of Napoli on Twitter. Played at Ipswich last year. Edit - link from Sport Sports Lyall Thomas. Palace, Besiktas and Sevilla also interested.

From what I understood last season, he's a midfielder of a similar ilk to Berge, and he was one of Ipswich's better players last season. Not a bad option on paper.

[Jakubclaret]

So is it not more than likely that most of those add-ons will now have taken effect, given that the first was likely promotion under vk, and then the next to be in the full England squad etc. A further one may have been appearances based in the Premier league, which he may not have reached and could well have actually been the reason he was dropped for muric, just asking. But I'd take a guess we're not far from the £19m.

I agree given that promotion must surely have factored into the add ons as it intrinsically added to the value & benefited the club. it's difficult to see how such an important contributory event wouldn't be admissable. I'm not sure how we are shaving a million from £15m & coming up with £14m most of the reports I've read it's £15m upfront.

[wilks_bfc]

I don’t think we’d have given them an add-on for something that happened before he was signed.

Unless we said

“We’re going to get relegated, but if we go back up then we’ll give you £x more”

[ollieclarets8]

They'll end up with more wingers than us

We'll always beat them on whingers though.

[NewClaret]

From what I saw I'm not sure where Sonne would fit in this season surely he's 3rd choice now then we've Sambo too.
Humphreys played right back and right centre back last season but majority at left back

I am assuming that Tuanzebe is RCB either in a 3 or a 2 with Roberts first choice RB and Sonne second. I expect Sambo to go on loan, maybe Sonne too. But perhaps Parker fancies Sonne in a RWB role? Maybe he’s ahead of Roberts for that role given his athleticism.

I had forgotten about Humphreys playing RB actually. Think I’d erased it from my memory. Dark days

[CoolClaret]

I am assuming that Tuanzebe is RCB either in a 3 or a 2 with Roberts first choice RB and Sonne second. I expect Sambo to go on loan, maybe Sonne too. But perhaps Parker fancies Sonne in a RWB role? Maybe he’s ahead of Roberts for that role given his athleticism.

I had forgotten about Humphreys playing RB actually. Think I’d erased it from my memory. Dark days

Sonne's 'athleticism' ?

He appeared very one-paced to me and quite a way off the required standard at Championship level, let alone PL level.

[NewClaret]

Sonne's 'athleticism' ?

He appeared very one-paced to me and quite a way off the required standard at Championship level, let alone PL level.

Did we see enough of him to judge that?

I thought he looked quick and able to get up and down in a way I don’t think Roberts could. I may be wrong though, would have to look at him more.

It seems a strange buy under Parker if he didn’t fancy him though.

[Taffy on the wing]

Did we see enough of him to judge that?

I thought he looked quick and able to get up and down in a way I don’t think Roberts could. I may be wrong though, would have to look at him more.

It seems a strange buy under Parker if he didn’t fancy him though.

He hasn't really had a chance yet!......time will tell.

[CoolClaret]

Did we see enough of him to judge that?

I thought he looked quick and able to get up and down in a way I don’t think Roberts could. I may be wrong though, would have to look at him more.

It seems a strange buy under Parker if he didn’t fancy him though.

Perhaps not, but I think it's very telling that he didn't get another look in after giving away that penalty against Sunderland.

He did well in the cup against Reading, but for me, he doesn't look capable of performing to the level we require.

[NewClaret]

Perhaps not, but I think it's very telling that he didn't get another look in after giving away that penalty against Sunderland.

He did well in the cup against Reading, but for me, he doesn't look capable of performing to the level we require.

It’s a fair assertion that if he didn’t get trusted in the Championship he isn’t likely going to be trusted in the Premier League.

I was more debating that he might’ve been brought in for a specific RWB role as that might better suit his abilities (looks decent going forward, less so at defending from YT). Wouldn’t shock me to see him and many others at Espanyol next year though.

[Guller Bull]

A link

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/ipswi ... uste-race/

[ollieclarets8]

A link

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/ipswi ... uste-race/

Palace again.

[123EasyasBFC]

Cajuste is a beast I would prefer him over Diouf but both would be great