Gray to Watford story

Vintage Claret · Post by **Vintage Claret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:08 pm

For sale: New seasons BFC shirt with 'Gray 7' on the back

May consider swap for a Twix bar (large)

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:10 pm

Just horsesh** but absolutely nothing surprises me with this club, selling your best players without replacements lined up, just mindboggling. I could've told you Keane was leaving 6 months ago, still no replacement. No planning, no intention of really strengthening despite Garlicks talk. Another relegation with a whimper and another "take the cash and run" season. Simply indefensible.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:10 pm

Dyched wrote:He cant trap a bag of cement either

He was caught offside more often than Gray last season as well.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:13 pm

KRBFC wrote:Just horsesh** but absolutely nothing surprises me with this club, selling your best players without replacements lined up, just mindboggling. I could've told you Keane was leaving 6 months ago, still no replacement. No planning, no intention of really strengthening despite Garlicks talk. Another relegation with a whimper and another "take the cash and run" season. Simply indefensible.

Yeah but we are waiting for Dawson. Then not end up signing him again due to west broms board laughing too much at how gullible we are

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:13 pm

KRBFC wrote:Just horsesh** but absolutely nothing surprises me with this club, selling your best players without replacements lined up, just mindboggling. I could've told you Keane was leaving 6 months ago, still no replacement. No planning, no intention of really strengthening despite Garlicks talk. Another relegation with a whimper and another "take the cash and run" season. Simply indefensible.

So when Jay-Rod, Austin, Ings etc. went where were the replacements if there was no planning

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:14 pm

KRBFC wrote:Just horsesh** but absolutely nothing surprises me with this club, selling your best players without replacements lined up, just mindboggling. I could've told you Keane was leaving 6 months ago, still no replacement. No planning, no intention of really strengthening despite Garlicks talk. Another relegation with a whimper and another "take the cash and run" season. Simply indefensible.

If I thought you'd pay up, I'd offer to bet money with you that we'd stay up. But as you're a welching gobshite, I don't think I will.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:15 pm

KRBFC wrote:Just horsesh** but absolutely nothing surprises me with this club, selling your best players without replacements lined up, just mindboggling. I could've told you Keane was leaving 6 months ago, still no replacement. No planning, no intention of really strengthening despite Garlicks talk. Another relegation with a whimper and another "take the cash and run" season. Simply indefensible.

So, you know for a fact that there is no replacement lined up, do you?

Is this because you haven't seen anything on Twitter?

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:16 pm

KRBFC wrote:Just horsesh** but absolutely nothing surprises me with this club, selling your best players without replacements lined up, just mindboggling. I could've told you Keane was leaving 6 months ago, still no replacement. No planning, no intention of really strengthening despite Garlicks talk. Another relegation with a whimper and another "take the cash and run" season. Simply indefensible.

How do you know there is no replacement lined up? Has Sean not phoned to let you know?

Keane's replacement has been here for 18 months waiting patiently

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:17 pm

Spijed wrote:So when Jay-Rod, Austin, Ings etc. went where were the replacements if there was no planning

What on earth are you talking about? Dyche wasn't in charge when Jay was sold

Non of those circumstances are even remotely similar, even you can surely see that.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:17 pm

Interesting to see if this has a knock-on effect in terms of our other targets.

If the aim has been to sign Dawson (or another centre half) & a winger, we're now looking at a very substantial outlay in the remaining 3 weeks of the window when you factor in Gray's replacement.

That's a very big ask.

BFC88 · Post by **BFC88** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:17 pm

18 million is decent enough money for Gray considering his contract, and i dont believe he will make Watford world beaters - however i agree with Spice to not get somebody in before selling is absolutely ludicrous. Totally amatuer from the board. We need 2 or 3 big signings now or we are certainties for the drop.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:18 pm

Worth mentioning that someone asked Alan Nixon on twitter yesterday and asked him if it was all quiet at Burnley.

Nixon said "nothing happening".

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:18 pm

Spijed wrote:When WBA or Stoke first came up who did they have who was quick enough to get behind defenders, or did they rely on a strong forward line, like we now have with Walters, Vokes and Barnes?

West brom will have had Roberts and Ellington which was serious pace

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:19 pm

fidelcastro wrote:So, you know for a fact that there is no replacement lined up, do you?

Is this because you haven't seen anything on Twitter?

Keep defending everything the board/Dyche do, its quite cute having you to defend them.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:19 pm

BFC88 wrote:18 million is decent enough money for Gray considering his contract, and i dont believe he will make Watford world beaters - however i agree with Spice to not get somebody in before selling is absolutely ludicrous. Totally amatuer from the board. We need 2 or 3 big signings now or we are certainties for the drop.

How do we know that Gray didn't stamp his feet and demand a move when he heard of Watford's interest?

Just a thought.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:21 pm

KRBFC wrote:Keep defending everything the board/Dyche do, its quite cute having you to defend them.

And you keep being the gutter snipe that you've always been on here.

You must be due a ban shortly anyhow.

Joe14 · Post by **Joe14** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:22 pm

Fickle fans alert

IN DYCHE WE TRUST

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:24 pm

Whether its a bit far to go down the "fickle fans" route, they certainly appear to be rather a lot of you who appear to have forgotten what we do and how we do it.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:25 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Whether its a bit far to go down the "fickle fans" route, they certainly appear to be rather a lot of you who appear to have forgotten what we do and how we do it.

Make a virtue of doing things that make it really hard for ourselves?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:28 pm

I prefer the term "long term planning which is not immediately obvious in todays 24/7 sports news enviroment"

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:28 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Whether its a bit far to go down the "fickle fans" route, they certainly appear to be rather a lot of you who appear to have forgotten what we do and how we do it.

Yes, and it's all completely knee jerk and unnecessary until 1st September.

If no suitable replacements have been brought in for Keane and Gray (assuming he has gone) then let people whinge until their hearts are content.

Until then, stop fretting about something of which you have no control over.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:28 pm

fidelcastro wrote:And you keep being the gutter snipe that you've always been on here.

You must be due a ban shortly anyhow.

I was defending the clubs preseason the other day yet you chose to ignore that. How can real Burnley fans actually defend this? Selling your best striker 3 days before the season starts to bolster a relegation rival. We don't need the cash like we did with Akinbiyi, Blake, Austin. We haven't been relegated like we did with Fletcher and Ings. Indefensible and the ones defending it are fake and doing it for the sake of defending everything.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:29 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Worth mentioning that someone asked Alan Nixon on twitter yesterday and asked him if it was all quiet at Burnley.

Nixon said "nothing happening".

Is that the same Nixon who was saying the opposite a day earlier? He's not had a good window as far as we are concerned going with Robertson & McArthur.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:31 pm

KRBFC wrote:I was defending the clubs preseason the other day yet you chose to ignore that. How can real Burnley fans actually defend this? Selling your best striker 3 days before the season starts to bolster a relegation rival. We don't need the cash like we did with Akinbiyi, Blake, Austin. We haven't been relegated like we did with Fletcher and Ings. Indefensible and the ones defending it are fake and doing it for the sake of defending everything.

In your defence you did defend our preseason the other day.

As for selling the best striker from the comments on here prior to this week, he wasn't as good as Vokes according to some.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:33 pm

18 mill is decent money, but that isn't what the reported offer is.
No idea if there is any truth in the story, or the valuation quoted. But for 11 mill, I'd rather let him play for our development squad than sell him to a potential competitor for survival.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:34 pm

KRBFC wrote:I was defending the clubs preseason the other day yet you chose to ignore that. How can real Burnley fans actually defend this? Selling your best striker 3 days before the season starts to bolster a relegation rival. We don't need the cash like we did with Akinbiyi, Blake, Austin. We haven't been relegated like we did with Fletcher and Ings. Indefensible and the ones defending it are fake and doing it for the sake of defending everything.

Have you considered that Gray may have actually wanted or even demanded a move? Not saying that that is definitely the case, but if it is, what would be the point in keeping a player whose heart isn't in it?

If it's about him not signing a new contract, then I guess a decision has to be made on whether to sell him now or not. Given the fact that he isn't a guaranteed regular starter, I can see why we'd choose to cash in now.

All speculation on my part of course, but it's better than just sniping at the Board/ Dyche for the sake of it like you do constantly!

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:34 pm

Sidney1st wrote:In your defence you did defend our preseason the other day.

As for selling the best striker from the comments on here prior to this week, he wasn't as good as Vokes according to some.

Certain posters chose to twist/ignore my comments and focus on the negatives to suit their agenda.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:34 pm

Kinda my point CT

He didn't know anything about this one, despite it being in his paper.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:34 pm

Here's what Watford fans are saying about possibly signing Andre....

http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/w ... story.html

(Nothing as yet!

)

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:38 pm

KRBFC wrote:I was defending the clubs preseason the other day yet you chose to ignore that. How can real Burnley fans actually defend this? Selling your best striker 3 days before the season starts to bolster a relegation rival. We don't need the cash like we did with Akinbiyi, Blake, Austin. We haven't been relegated like we did with Fletcher and Ings. Indefensible and the ones defending it are fake and doing it for the sake of defending everything.

How can I defend it? Because I don't know all the ins and outs of the reason (neither do you), and because I trust the board and management to continue getting things right.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:40 pm

What was our record last season when he was suspended or on the bench ? If he chooses to go to Watford when he has apparently been linked with far bigger clubs then Andre himself is showing zero ambition

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:41 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Kinda my point CT

He didn't know anything about this one, despite it being in his paper.

It wasn't in his paper, was it?

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:43 pm

Those talking about the sales of Austin and Ings need to remember the seasons that followed those sales. Might cheer them up!

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:47 pm

TVC15 wrote:Unless you are Mohammed 69 (who will have been jerking himself stupid all morning on this news) then there is no way of putting a positive slant on this.

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Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:53 pm

apparently down to Dyche lmfao
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... nsfer.html

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:54 pm

NEWSFLASH. Dyche has told Gray he can't go (even though he wants to) because KBRFC has thrown his toys out of the pram. ' the ones defending it it are doing it for the sake of defending everything' eh ? Grow a pair man if you are one.

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:58 pm

Looks like a great deal, let's see the next twist in our journey..

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Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:59 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Are you serious? This list contains clubs that survived for years in the premier league maybe 40 seasons worth between them.

Deadly serious. All bar one not in the PL now, and very few with a chance of doing so very quickly. Spending money did not keep Boro in for a second season. Time will tell for the Geordies

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:01 pm

Damn I guess this means where playing 4-5-1 now , with defour in side.

Hang on though some of the gray supporters were demanding this. Gray cant play the lone striker role.

It doesn't all add up

claretrobo1 · Post by **claretrobo1** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:06 pm

Don't know if anyone has put this on the thread but Nixon says we don't have a replacememt in mind and it is a 'massive test'. This could be an interesting few weeks.

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:07 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Worth mentioning that someone asked Alan Nixon on twitter yesterday and asked him if it was all quiet at Burnley.

Nixon said "nothing happening".

Didn't we announce the signing of a goalkeeper yesterday?

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:08 pm

Gray helped us get up; then helped us stay up, and now we're getting our money back for, at best, a bottom six striker.

Great business two years ago and now.

I really don't get some of this pants wetting.

mikeS · Post by **mikeS** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:09 pm

Burnley in 'Big Trouble' withGray leaving according to the other Up The Clarets, of Facebookland.
https://www.facebook.com/UpTheClaret/po ... 9137982171" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:11 pm

I cannot think of the last time we lost a striker and did not end up with a valuable replacement. I think losing Hamilton and getting ?Whatmore was perhaps the last time we ended up far worse off.
Just hope this isn't the first time since the 1980's

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:12 pm

I assume he will be a starter at Watford so is now in my Fantasy Football team.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:14 pm

Gray's only job was finding the net. And he wasn't even our top scorer last season.

11.5m is good business.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:16 pm

You could tell that he was on his way after he scored against Notts.Forest. No celebration. No congratulations from other players. Just a belated handshake from one player. Shame really.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:17 pm

He's a bit jumbled up when the balls headed in his direction.
Ok when it's going/falls right for him. But wasteful when it's not.
Very fast and, he could have some good spells. But he's nowhere near as good as his Agent/Girlfriend, or he thinks he is.
Certainly not worth a pay rise for what he's on already. Not even close.

Think the most important factor, he's too good for the squad now, in his own head.
Good luck to him, when he goes. (Except when he plays us).
He's done a job.

I'll be very surprised if his career will reach any greater heights than it's done with us.
We need a squad that wants to perform, on our budget.
Yes, our setup, the way we play, maybe didn't always suit his strengths.
But hey ho.
I'll not regret him leaving.

Bertiebeehead · Post by **Bertiebeehead** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:17 pm

Has he gone yet?

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:17 pm

claretrobo1 wrote:Don't know if anyone has put this on the thread but Nixon says we don't have a replacememt in mind and it is a 'massive test'. This could be an interesting few weeks.

If thats the case and is true were asking for trouble