FA issue statement to say some Burnley fans behaviour unacceptable on Saturday

[hampsteadclaret]

Our fans should never have got involved, by backing JR.
Nothing to do with us.
He plays for WBA.
We created this mess ourselves.

- fits in with the constant noise [from some] on here about why we should re-sign ex-players [most of whom left for very good reasons, and should never come back].

We are a PL club and we should be looking outwards, not inwards.

- and that comment..'when one of us gets kicked, we all feel it'..ffs..

[quoonbeatz]

he's been forgettable these last few games tbh.

[Lancasterclaret]

He has that, but Saturday he was particularly anonymous.

[Colburn_Claret]

You still don't understand the colour of Bong's skin is irrelevant to the FA statement about the booing? interesting

In what way is the colour of Bongs skin irrelevant to the booing, it is the only thing that is relevant. There in is the rub. If Bong wasn't black, no one, including the FA would give a ****. This despite the fact that no one was booing him because he was black.

[KRBFC]

In what way is the colour of Bongs skin irrelevant to the booing, it is the only thing that is relevant. There in is the rub. If Bong wasn't black, no one, including the FA would give a ****. This despite the fact that no one was booing him because he was black.

If you don't understand it now, you probably never will so I wont bother explaining it.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

The Monkey noises allegation simply didn’t happen.

Brighton fans making up lies, wonder who they learned that behaviour from?

Also, I’m struggling to grasp why calling us “a town full of racists” isn’t it discrimination? It’s a stereotype, a basis without fact? But not disgraceful? Why not?

The Burnley fans have sent quite an important message and the message is, if you’re going to make allegations that could negatively implicate someone, in the worst possible way, you better be damn sure it actually was said.

Not guilty. “Not proven”, doesn’t exist as a verdict. The FA have seen fit to make up a term, so not to discourage others from reporting incidents. Fine, but what about the lad you’ve implicated, or doesn’t he matter?

Draw parallels with Mason Holgate/ Robert Firmino.

Do you think anyone would call Liverpool fans racist if they booed Holgate? Not a chance.

Drawing back to my earlier point, we’re an easy target, stereotyped as the northern working class right wing town. It’s their behaviour that’s disgusting, not ours.

[Colburn_Claret]

If you don't understand it now, you probably never will so I wont bother explaining it.

Maybe because you just can't explain it

[Pstotto]

They'll cling to anything for a story of that fuels any kind of trouble.

[UpTheBeehole]

Burnley is stereotyped as a right wing northern town for a reason.

You only have to look over the pages of this board to see why.

[Culmclaret]

The story has had its couple of days. The FA have issued an ex cathedra platitudinous statement. Can’t see that it has any more legs as it is a now a non-story without any fresh evidence.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

Burnley is stereotyped as a right wing northern town for a reason.

You only have to look over the pages of this board to see why.

but not everyone.

Every town in the country has its share of right wing occupants.

How is it right for them to discriminate in that way?

I’m really wound up by this situation, as someone who is avidly anti racist and totally pro inclusion / integration, I just don’t understand why it’s being spun in this way.

They’ve made nothing into something.

[Spijed]

The Burnley fans have sent quite an important message and the message is, if you’re going to make allegations that could negatively implicate someone, in the worst possible way, you better be damn sure it actually was said.

Ah yes, I can see that'll send shock waves around the footballing world!

[UpTheBeehole]

but not everyone.

Every town in the country has its share of right wing occupants.

How is it right for them to discriminate in that way?

I’m really wound up by this situation, as someone who is avidly anti racist and totally pro inclusion / integration, I just don’t understand why it’s being spun in this way.

They’ve made nothing into something.

No, not everyone, but not all Brighton fans are 'benders', and not all Brighton fans will be 'getting bummed in the morning', as our fans were singing to them.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

No, not everyone, but not all Brighton fans are 'benders', and not all Brighton fans will be 'getting bummed in the morning', as our fans were singing to them.

Exactly my point.

But one chant is hailed by the media and one is condemned.

They’re both the same.

[gandhisflipflop]

No, not everyone, but not all Brighton fans are 'benders', and not all Brighton fans will be 'getting bummed in the morning', as our fans were singing to them.

As usual UTB you completely miss the point.

Town full of benders is seen as discriminatory.

Town full of racists isn't and isnt portrayed so in the media.

Why?

[bfcjg]

When I came on I was a couple of minutes late due to work commitments, I heard the booing and thought Murray had started re the Tarks incident, I was dropped on when I found out what it was about and a bit embarrassed however where I sit most people were of the same opinion nothing to do with us, chant our players names boo bad tackles and bad refereeing decisions. I didn't hear and monkey chants and if there had of been the idiot would have been shouted at and stewards contacted. I think it must have been a social media campaign to get so many booing him though.
If I was the club I would just state that we are disappointed a small section of fans didn't support the current players in the manner they have done all season.

[NRC]

"They're both the same" -Two virtually identical teams cancelled each other out in a bore-fest unspectacular. At least this off-the-field topic has got more about it than what happened on the field.

[UpTheBeehole]

Exactly my point.

But one chant is hailed by the media and one is condemned.

They’re both the same.

There is nothing wrong with being gay.

There's lots wrong with being racist.

[Imploding Turtle]

Without evidence if any kind, it means it is both unsubstantiated and a n unnecessary smear on Burnley fans.

It means he's expressing an opinion.

Is it your opinion that there probably weren't a small group of fans being racist?

[RocketLawnChair]

There is nothing wrong with being gay.

There's lots wrong with being racist.

Exactly And that is why it is worse to label an entire community racist when it clearly isn't.

[KRBFC]

Maybe because you just can't explain it

It shouldn't need an explanation it's pretty self explanatory but I explained it further up the thread.

[Quickenthetempo]

Burnley is stereotyped as a right wing northern town for a reason.

You only have to look over the pages of this board to see why.

Yep, that Labour voting Town Burnley, is definitely right wing.

[Mondsley]

And now Brighton have asked the police to investigate alleged monkey chants made by Burnley fans. This isn't going to go away. Seems like they are on a mission!

[brigante]

I don't think the club should dignify it with a response tbh, just as the FA shouldn't have.

[Bin Ont Turf]

And now Brighton have asked the police to investigate alleged monkey chants made by Burnley fans. This isn't going to go away. Seems like they are on a mission!

I wonder if it will take priority over finding the German hooligans or not?

[Bin Ont Turf]

I don't think the club should dignify it with a response tbh, just as the FA shouldn't have.

I think we should just release the video of Phil Bird saying JUSTICE! at their place.

That'll wind them up.

[Lancasterclaret]

Hopefully it will have the same success rate!

[RocketLawnChair]

And now Brighton have asked the police to investigate alleged monkey chants made by Burnley fans. This isn't going to go away. Seems like they are on a mission!

The verdict will probably be Unproven. The Burnley crowd might not have done it But the Brighton Crowd might have heard it.

[martin_p]

Exactly And that is why it is worse to label an entire community racist when it clearly isn't.

Well they were supposed to be insults, so you’d expect them to be bad. The problem is that a section of our supporters were using the notion that Brighton has a lot of homosexuals as an insult and therefore a bad thing.

So the response to the accusation of being a town of small minded bigots was to sing something bigoted back!

[martin_p]

Presumably the only way of investigating this is to watch the whole match back and see if the microphones pick anything up. Pity the poor sod who has to sit through that!

[TVC15]

There is nothing wrong with being gay.

There's lots wrong with being racist.

Nothing wrong with being gay no of course but there is something wrong with fans singing insulting songs about this. Spurs got fined not so long ago for similar songs about Chelsea fans.
That said Brighton fans must get this type of chant every week - does not make this right but it is quite hard for the authorities to police. I would imagine that this is becoming less prevalent at most grounds as time goes by (you would hope and thinks so)

Brighton fans signing we are just a town full of racists is also something that we have heard many times from away fans. We have also had plenty of the song about Burnley being a town full of the p word which is despicable and in my view should face some kind of punishment if teams are being punished like Spurs are and also like teams have been condemned for songs about Jewish people when playing Spurs. The only issue here for Burnley is that our fans have also sang this song when playing Blackburn.

Personally I actually think our club should make a statement. It would be along the lines that if any of our fans have been racist then they would be investigated and dealt with strongly and that we have a very good recent record of this etc...As for the Bong issue we should be saying that whilst the fans booing Bong was unfortunate that players often get booed by opposing fans for various reasons and there is no evidence whatsoever that this booing was racially motivated. We could also make the point that the Brighton fans were singing about our town being full of racists in the context of how much the town and the club has done to stamp out racism and how are club has supported local communities etc

It would be easy to hope this just blows over by saying nothing but at the moment everybody is just getting one side of the story and the lazy media are jumping on the bandwagon of Burnley being racist - partly because its an easy sensationalist story and the truth is a bit boring but also because we are not saying anything in our defence.

[martin_p]

You still don't understand the colour of Bong's skin is irrelevant to the FA statement about the booing? interesting

I think it’s very relevant. There’s been an underlying narrative to this whole sorry tale that racism is at the root of the booing. No one dare say it because there’s no actual evidence. Brighton have been itching to shout ‘racist’ which is why they’ve jumped on the random reports from a couple of Brighton fans that they’ve heard monkey chants and have asked the police to investigate.

[martin_p]

Nothing wrong with being gay no of course but there is something wrong with fans singing insulting songs about this. Spurs got fined not so long ago for similar songs about Chelsea fans.
That said Brighton fans must get this type of chant every week - does not make this right but it is quite hard for the authorities to police. I would imagine that this is becoming less prevalent at most grounds as time goes by (you would hope and thinks so)

Brighton fans signing we are just a town full of racists is also something that we have heard many times from away fans. We have also had plenty of the song about Burnley being a town full of the p word which is despicable and in my view should face some kind of punishment if teams are being punished like Spurs are and also like teams have been condemned for songs about Jewish people when playing Spurs. The only issue here for Burnley is that our fans have also sang this song when playing Blackburn.

Personally I actually think our club should make a statement. It would be along the lines that if any of our fans have been racist then they would be investigated and dealt with strongly and that we have a very good recent record of this etc...As for the Bong issue we should be saying that whilst the fans booing Bong was unfortunate that players often get booed by opposing fans for various reasons and there is no evidence whatsoever that this booing was racially motivated. We could also make the point that the Brighton fans were singing about our town being full of racists in the context of how much the town and the club has done to stamp out racism and how are club has supported local communities etc

It would be easy to hope this just blows over by saying nothing but at the moment everybody is just getting one side of the story and the lazy media are jumping on the bandwagon of Burnley being racist - partly because its an easy sensationalist story and the truth is a bit boring but also because we are not saying anything in our defence.

And the best outcome of that approach is that there’s no evidence Burnley fans are not racist but they are homophobic. Unless there’s any direct accusations proved the the club should maintain silence.

[KRBFC]

I think it’s very relevant. There’s been an underlying narrative to this whole sorry tale that racism is at the root of the booing. No one dare say it because there’s no actual evidence. Brighton have been itching to shout ‘racist’ which is why they’ve jumped on the random reports from a couple of Brighton fans that they’ve heard monkey chants and have asked the police to investigate.

''irrelevant to the FA statement''

So you think the FA statement was basically ''Burnley fans were racist toward Bong''? nothing to do with booing a player for filing a legitimate complaint of abuse and the possible impact on future players speaking out in a game they're trying to clean up?

[martin_p]

''irrelevant to the FA statement''

So you think the FA statement was basically ''Burnley fans were racist toward Bong''? nothing to do with booing a player for filing a legitimate complaint of abuse and the possible impact on future players speaking out in a game they're trying to clean up?

I think that’s what they were thinking yes. Of course they couldn’t say it as there was no proof.

And I I said earlier, if any player is going to not do something for fear of being booed then he’s in the wrong profession.

[Burnley Ace]

Presumably the only way of investigating this is to watch the whole match back and see if the microphones pick anything up. Pity the poor sod who has to sit through that!

And too read the refs report, the journalists account, police records of any reports or their own observations the stewards who reported it any Burnley fans who noted it and then wonder why this all started because one anonymous fan on a website made a claim!!
Perhaps there’s something in their water that effects the hearing

[KRBFC]

I think that’s what they were thinking yes. Of course they couldn’t say it as there was no proof.

And I I said earlier, if any player is going to not do something for fear of being booed then he’s in the wrong profession.

The earth is flat

[Dejavu]

Now the police are investigating monkey noises allegedly aimed at Bong a full 3 days after the match. Did anyone hear these monkey noises?

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[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

There is nothing wrong with being gay.

There's lots wrong with being racist.

You’re drawing your own parallels there. I’m casting no opinion over whether it is right or wrong.

On a purely stereotypical sense, they’re both equally offensive.

[UpTheBeehole]

I'd be very surprised if this is proven.

If it is proven, the fans responsible should be banned for life.

[dsr]

If no-one at Brighton has heard any monkey chants, why are they asking police to investigate? I didn't see anybody counterfeiting money at my church last Sunday - should I ask the police to investigate in case I missed it? This is just stirring for the sake of it.

[gawthorpe_view]

Did Bong himself hear and subsequently report hearing any monkey noises?.

[ClaretAndJew]

No he just heard someone singing the song "Witch Doctor"

[Bin Ont Turf]

The irony of the OP's username and starting another thread on this.

[Rick_Muller]

because i'd rather take in the factual statements made by people who know more than me instead of making up conspiracy theories.

Can you explain why Bong changed his account of what was said, on several occasions? If you can’t explain that why do you continue to defend Bong when I can demonstrate, with actual evidence, that his account of the allegation is questionable.

I'd really like to understand why you continue to pursue a narrative that is insinuating that Burnley fans are racist, can you start by answering the question from yesterday?

[Dejavu]

There isn't another thread relating to the police investigating monkey chants. It was only reported 1 hour ago.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

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Doesn’t look like any of the Brighton fans heard them.

[RocketLawnChair]

Well they were supposed to be insults, so you’d expect them to be bad. The problem is that a section of our supporters were using the notion that Brighton has a lot of homosexuals as an insult and therefore a bad thing.

So the response to the accusation of being a town of small minded bigots was to sing something bigoted back!

So do you think booing Bong was racist ?

[martin_p]

So do you think booing Bong was racist ?

No, it was ‘town full of benders’ I’m referring to.

[Diesel]

There isn't another thread relating to the police investigating monkey chants.

They weren't 'chants' they were grunts, monkey grunts.