Tommy Robinson

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Interestingly there is currently a video on social media circulating showing one of those paedophile hunters having an Asian chap from Blackburn arrested outside of Burnley bus station, after catching him out online.
I think it was livestreamed/ filmed today, late this morning.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

When you say "Our Country" do you mean 'Just our country ?

Hold on, you need to wait for one of the others to ask why he's diffentiating between people by using them and our.

They ask other people that question.

[ClaretAndJew]

would it stop all the barbaric murders though ?

No amount of humanitarian kindness would stop the way people treat each other in those circumstances. And no, not just us, but our society as a whole including our allies.

[UpTheBeehole]

would it stop all the barbaric murders though ?

We've got plenty of those here already

[ClaretAndJew]

Hold on, you need to wait for one of the others to ask why he's diffentiating between people by using them and our.

They ask other people that question.

I'm sure in this context I'm pretty sure it's easy to understand who I'm referring to.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I'm sure in this context I'm pretty sure it's easy to understand who I'm referring to.

It's obvious the context when others do it, but some on here like to make an issue out of it to make people look like they're beinc racist or something like that.

[houseboy]

He did it before and was warned not to do it again, he did it again so now he's in jail.

Exactly the same as if we had done it before and been warned.

You are absolutely right, but the point is that he was jailed for contempt of court (according to one report) because of his previous conviction but that previous conviction was in itself no more than a gagging order.
Don't get me wrong, I don't look upon Robinson as some prisoner of conscience and I'm sure if we ever met we would have a serious difference of opinion, what I am talking about here is a matter of principle, that principle being that no-one should be gagged. If he had assaulted someone, or threatened them with physical harm or caused criminal damage (which I am not aware he did) then yes he should be punished accordingly, but he was simply speaking on his Facebook page I believe.
That is gagging. That is censorship. That is having your freedom to speak taken away from you. The judge has said himself that his imprisonment was not infringing his right to speak and that it was about contempt of court but if he hadn't been gagged in the first place there would have been no contempt to arrest him for.

[Dazzler]

No amount of humanitarian kindness would stop the way people treat each other in those circumstances. And no, not just us, but our society as a whole including our allies.

No amount of humanitarian kindness would stop the way people treat each other in those circumstances.

Should we try to stop it ?

And no, not just us, but our society as a whole

If they were to be given a choice of 'In which country they would like to be given Asylum'
Which country do you think would be top of the list ?

[ClaretAndJew]

No amount of humanitarian kindness would stop the way people treat each other in those circumstances.

Should we try to stop it ?

And no, not just us, but our society as a whole

If they were to be given a choice of 'In which country they would like to be given Asylum'
Which country do you think would be top of the list ?

Without asking every single person who feels their life is in danger it would be extremely difficult to say. In regards to stopping it, there are obviously political reasons why we aren't.

[Caballo]

If they were to be given a choice of 'In which country they would like to be given Asylum'
Which country do you think would be top of the list ?

Probably Switzerland closely followed by Canada.

[Dazzler]

In regards to stopping it, there are obviously political reasons why we aren't.

Obviously ???

[quoonbeatz]

You are absolutely right, but the point is that he was jailed for contempt of court (according to one report) because of his previous conviction but that previous conviction was in itself no more than a gagging order.
Don't get me wrong, I don't look upon Robinson as some prisoner of conscience and I'm sure if we ever met we would have a serious difference of opinion, what I am talking about here is a matter of principle, that principle being that no-one should be gagged. If he had assaulted someone, or threatened them with physical harm or caused criminal damage (which I am not aware he did) then yes he should be punished accordingly, but he was simply speaking on his Facebook page I believe.
That is gagging. That is censorship. That is having your freedom to speak taken away from you. The judge has said himself that his imprisonment was not infringing his right to speak and that it was about contempt of court but if he hadn't been gagged in the first place there would have been no contempt to arrest him for.

he's been jailed for potentially prejudicing a trial, for the second time.

its got absolutely nothing to do with freedom of speech.

[ClaretAndJew]

Obviously ???

Well, yeah, otherwise we'd do it.

[UpTheBeehole]

If they were to be given a choice of 'In which country they would like to be given Asylum'
Which country do you think would be top of the list ?

UNHCR registered refugees by country/territory of asylum between mid-2015 and 2007
Country/territory of asylum Refugees per 1,000 inhabitants in mid-2015
[1]

mid-2015 [2] 2014 [3] 2013 [4] 2012 [5] 2011 [6] 2010 [7] 2009 [8] 2008 [9] 2007 [10]
Lebanon 208.91 1,172,388 1,154,040 856,546 133,538 8,845 7,949 50,300 50,319 50,266
Jordan 89.55 664,102 654,141 641,915 302,707 451,009 450,915 450,756 500,413 500,281
Nauru 50.60 506 389
Chad 30.97 420,774 452,897 434,479 373,695 366,494 347,939 314,393 302,687 294,017
Turkey 23.72 1,838,848 1,587,374 609,938 267,063 14,465 10,032 10,350 11,103 6,956
South Sudan 22.32 265,887 248,152 229,587 202,581 105,023
Mauritania 19.36 50,851 49,635 66,767 54,496 535 717 795 1,041 971
Djibouti 16.88 14,787 20,530 20,015 19,139 20,340 15,104 12,111 9,228 6,651
Sweden 14.66 142,207 142,207 114,175 92,872 86,615 82,629 81,356 77,038 75,078
Malta 14.58 6,095 6,095 9,906 8,248 6,952 6,136 5,955 4,331 3,000
Congo 13.65 61,492 54,842 51,037 98,455 141,232 133,112 111,411 24,779 38,472
Cameroon 13.27 288,552 226,489 107,346 98,969 100,373 104,275 99,957 81,037 60,137
Iran 12.53 979,441 982,027 857,354 868,242 886,468 1,073,366 1,070,488 980,109 963,546
Kenya 12.31 552,272 551,352 534,938 564,933 566,487 402,905 358,928 320,605 265,729
Rwanda 11.70 132,743 73,820 73,349 58,212 55,325 55,398 54,016 55,062 53,577
Uganda 11.34 428,397 385,513 220,555 197,877 139,448 135,801 127,345 162,132 228,959
Yemen 10.05 263,047 257,645 241,288 237,182 214,740 190,092 170,854 140,169 117,363
Montenegro 9.92 6,203 6,462 8,476 11,198 12,874 16,364 24,019 24,741 8,528
Norway 9.14 47,043 47,043 46,106 42,822 40,691 40,260 37,826 36,101 34,522
Sudan 9.05 322,638 244,430 124,328 126,218 113,439 144,008 152,375 181,605 222,722
Liberia 8.85 38,904 38,587 53,245 65,901 128,285 24,735 6,944 10,216 10,458
Switzerland 8.45 69,390 62,620 52,464 50,747 50,416 48,813 46,203 46,132 45,653
Pakistan 8.33 1,540,854 1,505,525 1,616,507 1,638,456 1,702,700 1,900,621 759,392 765,720 887,273
Iraq 8.17 288,035 271,143 246,298 98,822 35,189 34,655 35,218 39,503 42,354
Syria 7.95 149,200 149,140 149,292 476,506 755,445 1,005,472 1,054,466 1,105,698 1,503,769
Ecuador 7.65 53,378 53,817 54,865 55,480 55,092 52,905 45,192 19,098 14,903
Ethiopia 7.24 702,467 659,524 433,936 376,393 288,844 154,295 121,886 83,583 85,183
Afghanistan 7.14 205,558 280,267 72 75 66 43 37 37 42
Austria 7.13 60,747 60,747 55,598 51,730 47,073 42,630 38,906 37,557 30,773
Gambia 6.11 11,773 11,608 9,563 9,853 9,528 8,378 10,118 14,836 14,895
Venezuela 5.68 5,647 5,052 4,340 3,644 2,022 1,547 1,313 1,161 907
Armenia 5.22 3,240 3,190 3,132 2,854 2,918 3,296 3,607 3,953 4,566
Burundi 5.00 54,126 52,936 45,490 41,813 35,659 29,365 24,967 21,093 24,468
Cyprus 4.99 5,763 5,126 3,883 3,631 3,503 3,394 2,888 1,465 1,194
Netherlands 4.89 82,494 82,494 74,707 71,909 74,598 74,961 76,008 77,600 86,587
Israel 4.85 361 330 184 104 1,116 337 382 394 1,156
Guinea-Bissau 4.82 8,684 8,684 8,535 7,784 7,800 7,679 7,898 7,884 7,860
Libya 4.47 27,948 27,964 25,561 7,065 7,540 7,923 9,005 6,713 4,098
Panama 4.47 2,303 2,271 2,665 2,429 2,262 2,073 1,923 1,913 1,890
Niger 4.29 82,064 77,830 57,661 50,510 302 314 325 320 319
Canada 4.19 149,163 149,163 160,349 163,756 164,883 165,549 169,434 173,651 175,741
France 4.13 264,972 252,264 232,487 217,865 210,207 200,687 196,364 160,017 151,789
Serbia and Kosovo 3.97 35,309 43,751 57,083 66,370 70,707 73,608 86,351 96,739 97,995
Malaysia 3.26 97,385 99,086 96,868 89,210 85,754 80,651 65,350 36,088 32,243
Denmark 3.15 17,785 17,785 13,170 11,814 13,399 17,922 20,355 23,401 26,788
Germany 3.10 250,299 216,973 187,567 589,737 571,685 594,269 593,799 582,735 578,879
Tanzania 3.07 159,014 88,492 102,099 101,021 131,243 109,286 118,731 321,909 435,630
Togo 3.07 21,877 21,778 20,613 23,540 19,270 14,051 8,531 9,377 1,328
Liechtenstein 2.89 107 103 97 102 94 92 91 89 283
Belgium 2.77 31,115 29,179 25,629 22,024 22,402 17,892 15,545 17,026 17,575
Egypt 2.53 226,344 236,090 230,086 109,933 95,087 95,056 94,406 97,861 97,556
Algeria 2.42 94,144 94,128 94,150 94,133 94,148 94,144 94,137 94,093 94,137
Russia 2.20 315,313 235,750 3,458 3,178 3,914 4,922 4,880 3,479 1,655
Finland 2.15 11,798 11,798 11,252 9,919 9,175 8,724 7,447 6,617 6,204
DRC 2.14 160,271 119,754 113,362 65,109 152,749 166,336 185,809 155,162 177,390
Luxembourg 2.14 1,192 1,108 920 2,910 2,855 3,254 3,230 3,109 2,737
South Africa 2.12 114,512 112,192 65,987 65,233 57,899 57,899 47,974 43,546 36,736
Burkina Faso 1.93 34,027 31,894 29,234 39,306 546 531 543 557 535
United Kingdom 1.82 117,234 117,234 126,055 149,799 193,510 238,150 269,363 292,097 299,718
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.78 6,805 6,890 6,926 6,903 6,933 7,016 7,132 7,257 7,367
CAR 1.65

Lebanon apparently

[Dazzler]

Probably Switzerland closely followed by Canada.

I wasn't asking you

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Well, yeah, otherwise we'd do it.

Political, financial and also issues this end with infrastructure etc.

Whilst we aren't full, our infrastructure needs a lot more work doing before we throw the doors open for millions more people.

[UpTheBeehole]

Countries Hosting The Largest Number Of Refugees In The World
Rank Country Number Of Refugees Hosted By The Country (mid-2015)
1 Turkey 1.84 million
2 Pakistan 1.5 million
3 Lebanon 1.2 million
4 Islamic Republic of Iran 982,000
5 Ethiopia 702,500
6 Jordan 664,100
7 Kenya 552,300
8 Uganda 428,400
9 Chad 420,800
10 Sudan 356,200

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/cou ... world.html

Top Host Countries for Refugees in 2016
Rank
Host Country
Total refugees
Total population
1
Turkey
2,869,421
80,745,020
2
Pakistan
1,352,560
197,015,955
3
Lebanon
1,012,969
6,082,357
4
Iran
979,435
81,162,788
5
Uganda
940,835
42,862,958
6
Ethiopia
791,631
104,957,438
7
Jordan
685,197
9,702,353
8
Germany
669,482
82,114,224
9
Democratic Republic of the Congo
451,956
81,339,988
10
Kenya
451,099
49,699,862
11
Sudan
421,466
40,533,330
12
Chad
391,251
14,899,994
13
Cameroon
375,415
24,053,727
14
China
317,255
1,410,000,000
15
France
304,546
64,979,548
16
Tanzania
281,498
57,310,019
17
Bangladesh
276,207
164,669,751
18
United States
272,959
324,459,463
19
Yemen
269,783
28,250,420
20
South Sudan
262,560
12,575,714

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017 ... -migrants/

[quoonbeatz]

If they were to be given a choice of 'In which country they would like to be given Asylum'
Which country do you think would be top of the list ?

its usually the ones nearest home, in the hope they can return sooner rather than later.

[UpTheBeehole]

Struggling to see where you're going with that one Dazzler.

Never let facts get in the way of your prejudices.

[Dazzler]

Well, yeah, otherwise we'd do it.

You implied it was obvious why nothing is being done.

Obvious as in a clear reason for nothing being done.

What is it I that is not obvious to me ?

[ClaretAndJew]

You implied it was obvious why nothing is being done.

Obvious as in a clear reason for nothing being done.

What is it I that is not obvious to me ?

No, I said obviously reasons. As in, there are reasons, I didn't elaborate on those reasons as I don't know.

[Dazzler]

Struggling to see where you're going with that one Dazzler.

Never let facts get in the way of your prejudices.

Economic refugees

[Dazzler]

No, I said obviously reasons. As in, there are reasons, I didn't elaborate on those reasons as I don't know.

Not obvious then

[UpTheBeehole]

Economic refugees

I'm not quite following you. Do you think asylum seekers (who you were originally taklking about) are the same as economic refugees?


Or do you not have the slightest clue what you're talking about?

[UpTheBeehole]

Just say it Dazzler, you just hate all muslims don't you.

You despise them.

For no reason whatsoever, you didn't even want your child educating about the religions of the world, in his Religious Education class.

What have muslims ever done to you?

[Dazzler]

I'm not quite following you. Do you think asylum seekers (who you were originally taklking about) are the same as economic refugees?


Or do you not have the slightest clue what you're talking about?

All by choice ?

[Dazzler]

Just say it Dazzler, you just hate all muslims don't you.

What have muslims ever done to you?

I work with them

[Dazzler]

Just say it Dazzler, you just hate all muslims don't you.

You despise them.

For no reason whatsoever, you didn't even want your child educating about the religions of the world, in his Religious Education class.

What have muslims ever done to you?

You are free to form an opinion of me.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Is there anything with not liking a religion?

Is it an offence punishable by a court of law?

[Dazzler]

, you didn't even want your child educating about the religions of the world

Religions of the world ?

Yeah twist & greatly exaggerate what I wrote.
Typical loony left.

Of 11 pages 10 were of Islam.

[Dazzler]

Interestingly there is currently a video on social media circulating showing one of those paedophile hunters having an Asian chap from Blackburn arrested outside of Burnley bus station, after catching him out online.
I think it was livestreamed/ filmed today, late this morning.

Loads more on youtube...it can become quite addictive

[ClaretDiver]

And I would say that 90% are probably white guys......just saying!

[randomclaret2]

Not agreeing with something or indeed not shouting about your tolerance of something is now described as a phobia by those suffering from political correctness. Sadly these fools tend to have no experience whatsoever of the various things they fall over themselves to defend.

[ClaretMoffitt]

Is there anything with not liking a religion?

Is it an offence punishable by a court of law?

If it isn't already I'm sure it will be before long.

[houseboy]

he's been jailed for potentially prejudicing a trial, for the second time.

its got absolutely nothing to do with freedom of speech.

Yes it has. People comment on trials all the time but not with these consequences. But then that may just be the crux of the matter. Did it have more to do with the defendants in the case and the person making the comments? I don't know.
What I do know is over the last couple of days I know more about Robinson than I did before. Anyway enough of him. We could go on for days like this and nothing will change my view on free speech and what it is, as opposed to what people think it should be.

[quoonbeatz]

Did it have more to do with the defendants in the case and the person making the comments? I don't know.

it didn't. there were reporting restrictions on the case which is why nobody else was reporting on it.

he broke those restrictions.

they'd have been lifted once all the outcomes were known (there's a lot of defendants so its been split and as such takes a long time to conclude everything). all he had to do was wait until it was all over, just like everyone else.

[Spijed]

We could go on for days like this and nothing will change my view on free speech and what it is, as opposed to what people think it should be.

When does free speech become libelous or slander?

Likewise, what about the Official Secrets act?

[houseboy]

When does free speech become libelous or slander?

Likewise, what about the Official Secrets act?

1. Libel is a published statement.
2. Slander (and libel) come under the heading of personal attack, usually on an individual (it happens all the time on here).
Both of the above are covered in law and can be avoided simply by saying 'in my opinion' as opposed to making a statement of fact.
3. Official Secrets Act is used in the case of any endangerment to the nation but has always been overused and at times has been used to gag people. It has been broken many times and people have been punished when in fact it has been in the public interest to break that law.
What I have been talking about is 'opinion' and people's right to hold and express that opinion, including their view on a trial if needs be, not breaking the official secrets act or making potentially untrue statements about others.

[Greenmile]

Obviously any right minded person who accuses someone of being a serial islamaphobe will feel the need to share all the evidence they have collected in order to substantiate that claim.

I really do look forward to the volume of information that is in the hand of UTB.

Here you go

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... 2&sr=posts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Imploding Turtle]

would it stop all the barbaric murders though ?

All of them? No. But I know you're not suggesting that unless we can stop all the barbaric murders then we shouldn't do anything to stop any of them, because that would be utterly moronic.

[ClaretDiver]

So, he has plead guilty.....

[Dazzler]

All of them? No. But I know you're not suggesting that unless we can stop all the barbaric murders then we shouldn't do anything to stop any of them, because that would be utterly moronic.

Damned if we do,damned if we don't

[Dazzler]

So, he has plead guilty.....

No I haven't...

[Dazzler]

Interestingly there is currently a video on social media circulating showing one of those paedophile hunters having an Asian chap from Blackburn arrested outside of Burnley bus station, after catching him out online.
I think it was livestreamed/ filmed today, late this morning.

Wasn't caught by Shane Brannigan was he ?
He'd put the fear of god into god

[keith1879]

1. Libel is a published statement.
2. Slander (and libel) come under the heading of personal attack, usually on an individual (it happens all the time on here).
Both of the above are covered in law and can be avoided simply by saying 'in my opinion' as opposed to making a statement of fact.
3. Official Secrets Act is used in the case of any endangerment to the nation but has always been overused and at times has been used to gag people. It has been broken many times and people have been punished when in fact it has been in the public interest to break that law.
What I have been talking about is 'opinion' and people's right to hold and express that opinion, including their view on a trial if needs be, not breaking the official secrets act or making potentially untrue statements about others.

This is a report of the original case in Canterbury where "Tommy Robinson" was convicted and given a suspended sentence. https://www.canterburyjournal.co.uk/how ... anterbury/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It appears to me to go massively beyond all concepts of freedom of speech. He was behaving in a completely unacceptable way outside of a courtroom and was lucky to get a suspended sentence. As has been said several times above - his behaviour could have led to the collapse of the case.

[FactualFrank]

I never knew who he was until today. I thought EDL was that fat ginger bird who sang Skyfall.

[Dazzler]

I never knew who he was until today. I thought EDL was that fat ginger bird who sang Skyfall.

Sheltered life

[Dazzler]

Well, yeah, otherwise we'd do it.

You are saying we would stop the "chucking gays off a high rise building"
"Death for apostasy"
"Stoning of women for adultery" ???

[Rick_Muller]

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[Dazzler]

OJ will be having orgasms