World cup thread

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:22 pm

taio wrote:If you accept he touched the ball then what you've written next is a load of tosh.

No its not. Say JBG is running down the wing for Burnley and knocks it past the full back. The full back gets a slight touch but doesnt divert the ball away and JBG is going to continue to run on to the ball and be in the clear. If as part of his follow through the defender lifts his foot and stops JBG running on to a ball he is in control of and certain to get then its a foul. It is like its a second phase of play as the original defensive touch did not tackle or dispossess the defender and get the ball out of his path.

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:24 pm

Can't wait to hear Didier Drogbas analysis at full time...................honest

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:24 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:No its not. Say JBG is running down the wing for Burnley and knocks it past the full back. The full back gets a slight touch but doesnt divert the ball away and JBG is going to continue to run on to the ball and be in the clear. If as part of his follow through the defender lifts his foot and stops JBG running on to a ball he is in control of and certain to get then its a foul. It is like its a second phase of play as the original defensive touch did not tackle or dispossess the defender and get the ball out of his path.

There was no second phase.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:25 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:No its not. Say JBG is running down the wing for Burnley and knocks it past the full back. The full back gets a slight touch but doesnt divert the ball away and JBG is going to continue to run on to the ball and be in the clear. If as part of his follow through the defender lifts his foot and stops JBG running on to a ball he is in control of and certain to get then its a foul. It is like its a second phase of play as the original defensive touch did not tackle or dispossess the defender and get the ball out of his path.

Yeah, but it's different if it's a Burnley player.

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:25 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:No its not. Say JBG is running down the wing for Burnley and knocks it past the full back. The full back gets a slight touch but doesnt divert the ball away and JBG is going to continue to run on to the ball and be in the clear. If as part of his follow through the defender lifts his foot and stops JBG running on to a ball he is in control of and certain to get then its a foul. It is like its a second phase of play as the original defensive touch did not tackle or dispossess the defender and get the ball out of his path.

You miss the point that the flimsy French decker did not need to fall over unless of course his shoe lace was clipped or the breeze was a bit strong

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:26 pm

Penalty for me. The defender touched the ball then tripped Griezmann. Griezmann would have got to the ball after the defender touched it. A defender making contact with the ball doesn’t stop a trip from being a foul.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:26 pm

The defender got the ball, Griezman knew he had no chance in getting to it, so went down.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:27 pm

Dyched wrote: His brains left his body

I thought lawro had turned into stan.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:27 pm

Griezmann off, Giroud on.

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:28 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Penalty for me. The defender touched the ball then tripped Griezmann. Griezmann would have got to the ball after the defender touched it. A defender making contact with the ball doesn’t stop a trip from being a foul.

Has the world gone mad? He wasn’t tripped. He dived because he felt “contact”.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:28 pm

taio wrote:There was no second phase.

Thats just language im using to try and show and explain that after the initital touch the attacker still has the ball and then the second touch by the defender, this time the man and not the ball fouls the striker.

So ignoring terminology in my example do you think it would not be a foul to Burnley? if you dont think its a foul then fine as we just fundamentally disagree on this issue and at the end of the day football is all about opinions

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:31 pm

Claret wrote:You miss the point that the flimsy French decker did not need to fall over unless of course his shoe lace was clipped or the breeze was a bit strong

Thats a different discussion and I think the contact was strong enough to take the strikers foot away but fair enough if you dont, we'll just have to agree to disagree

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:31 pm

That challenge just then by the french RB was exactly the same as the French penalty. Yet no freekick.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:32 pm

Claret wrote:Has the world gone mad? He wasn’t tripped. He dived because he felt “contact”.

He was kicked in the penalty area. Whether the kick made him fall over or not is irrelevant.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:33 pm

Dyched wrote:That challenge just then by the french RB was exactly the same as the French penalty. Yet no freekick.

You mean when he put the ball out of play? Of course it was different. The Aussie no longer had control of the ball.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:33 pm

This game is set up perfectly for a Tim Cahill headed winner.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:34 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You mean when he put the ball out of play? Of course it was different. The Aussie no longer had control of the ball.

Griezmann didn't either. Let’s why he went down.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:34 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Thats just language im using to try and show and explain that after the initital touch the attacker still has the ball and then the second touch by the defender, this time the man and not the ball fouls the striker.

So ignoring terminology in my example do you think it would not be a foul to Burnley? if you dont think its a foul then fine as we just fundamentally disagree on this issue and at the end of the day football is all about opinions

If a player touches the ball before the man without dangerous play and then makes contact with the player as part of the same movement it's not a foul in my view. I'll watch it back again at FT and hold my hands up if I'm wrong.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:35 pm

taio wrote:If a player touches the ball before the man without dangerous play and then makes contact with the player as part of the same movement it's not a foul in my view. I'll watch it back again at FT and hold my hands up if I'm wrong.

Fair enough as said its all about opinions

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:36 pm

NL Claret wrote:As devils advocate says above, deliberately clips him with right foot.

Do we have to listen to Mark Lawrenson?

You can get the radio commentary if you press the red button.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:37 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Bye then.

Thanks for the reply.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:37 pm

2-1 France.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:38 pm

Var dragging another goal out ffs

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:39 pm

Rileybobs wrote:He was kicked in the penalty area. Whether the kick made him fall over or not is irrelevant.

To put it bluntly, BOLLUCKS.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:39 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Var dragging another goal out ffs

Didn't really drag it out though did it.... French were fanny about going back to the half way line for the majority of the time VAR were checking.

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:40 pm

I think VAR has worked perfectly so far in this game.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:40 pm

Dyched wrote:Griezmann didn't either. Let’s why he went down.

True, when you get tripped you do tend to lose control of the ball as a consequence.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:41 pm

Mark Lawrenson has the ability to suck the fun from absolutely anything. I don’t mind him so much on 606 but his sarcastic, miserable co-commentary style is horrible.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:42 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Var dragging another goal out ffs

Yeah. That extra 15 seconds to confirm the goal has really ruined it for everyone.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:42 pm

Barry_Chuckle wrote:Didn't really drag it out though did it.... French were fanny about going back to the half way line for the majority of the time VAR were checking.

Well yeah. Because it mutes the celebration and the emotion. Its ****.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:43 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Well yeah. Because it mutes the celebration and the emotion. Its ****.

Ah..... I'm with you now and tend to agree

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:45 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Var dragging another goal out ffs

The goal line decision isn’t VAR. The decision is more or less instantaneous and the ref gets an electronic message straight away saying the ball crossed the line

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:46 pm

Did the crowd know that the second french goal was being checked by VAR. I don't think there was an announcement in the stadium. Didn't see the ref go to the TV to check for offside.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:49 pm

I wonder which side the ref wants to win??

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:49 pm

That French defender should get a retrospective ban for feigning a head injury. Drives me ******* nuts when players feign injury anyway but feigning head injuries, when it's as clear as that, should be a ban.

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:50 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:That French defender should get a retrospective ban for feigning a head injury. Drives me ******* nuts when players feign injury anyway but feigning head injuries, when it's as clear as that, should be a ban.

I think suitable punishment would be to actually give the player a post-match head injury

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:51 pm

Giroud came off the bench with a bandage on his head. He was feigning injury before he even came on.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:51 pm

To protect his botox injections from infection

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:52 pm

Claret wrote:The goal line decision isn’t VAR. The decision is more or less instantaneous and the ref gets an electronic message straight away saying the ball crossed the line

I know. No problem with goalline. Its not subjective. Its black and white.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:53 pm

Well that was the worse game thus far. France so lacking in energy. Pogba especially.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:53 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I know. No problem with goalline. Its not subjective. Its black and white.

So VAR is subjective, and that's why we should go with the single-time, real-time view of the referee. Is that right?

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:54 pm

How is contact subjective?

Are you REALLY saying that if your foot touches someone elses in the box, they have a right to a penalty no matter what?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:58 pm

starting_11 wrote:How is contact subjective?

Are you REALLY saying that if your foot touches someone elses in the box, they have a right to a penalty no matter what?

No. Don't be stupid.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:01 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:True, when you get tripped you do tend to lose control of the ball as a consequence.

No you lose control when the defender makes a perfect tackle and Griezmann couldn’t then control ball that was diverted. So fell.

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:01 pm

I'd want Burnley to get that penalty - the defenders boot landed on the back of the attackers leg. Winning the ball so slightly that it doesn't change direction or momentum doesn't forgive the 'tripping or attempt to trip an opponent' part of the law.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:02 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:True, when you get tripped you do tend to lose control of the ball as a consequence.

The ball had run away from him because the defender touched it on to him --he no longer had control and the original decision was correct.
It was just another person's opinion which resulted in it being referred to VAR -- my question is --why do they not refer every decision because every decision is important when you are officiating at a game.
This is why VAR is a farce because they are making out that only decisions which could affect a goal are important, even to the extent of telling the ARs not to flag for offside if it is a tight decision because it will be referred to VAR anyway. Pathetic state of affairs.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:02 pm

The problem with VAR is that:

No-one can define what handball is.
No-one can define what a foul is.
No-one can define what offside is.

That's why it can never work properly in football.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:03 pm

Never a penalty.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:06 pm

Dyched wrote:No you lose control when the defender makes a perfect tackle and Griezmann couldn’t then control ball that was diverted. So fell.

Greizmann had the ball. lol. He controlled it with his foot, then was tripped.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:09 pm

Spijed wrote:The problem with VAR is that:

No-one can define what handball is.
No-one can define what a foul is.
No-one can define what offside is.

That's why it can never work properly in football.

100%. Plus it’s not cricket or tennis where there is natural stop in play after each point/ball. The ball has to be out of play to review var. What would have happened if Australia went and scored. Or the ball stayed in play for 20mins?