martin_p wrote:I thought you might stop using this expression once someone had pointed out it wasn’t true (and it was months ago!).
It's just like the 84% who have now seemingly voted for Brexit!martin_p wrote:I thought you might stop using this expression once someone had pointed out it wasn’t true (and it was months ago!).
Curious to know how Ringos catchphrase is inaccurate?martin_p wrote:I thought you might stop using this expression once someone had pointed out it wasn’t true (and it was months ago!).
More people have voted in other elections (can’t remember the detail and can’t be bothered looking it up).Caballo wrote:Curious to know how Ringos catchphrase is inaccurate?
Evidence never was your specialism was it Marty!martin_p wrote:More people have voted in other elections (can’t remember the detail and can’t be bothered looking it up).
What would be the point? Someone provided the figures when you were told this ‘fact’ was wrong but you still trot it out. Not worth wasting the time.RingoMcCartney wrote:Evidence never was your specialism was it Marty!
Can't be bothered my arse!
martin_p wrote:What would be the point? Someone provided the figures when you were told this ‘fact’ was wrong but you still trot it out. Not worth wasting the time.
Greater percentages have certainly voted in other elections (General elections) but I can't find an example with a higher turnout in absolute terms (which pains me because I really don't want Ringo to be right).martin_p wrote:More people have voted in other elections (can’t remember the detail and can’t be bothered looking it up).
Given that Marty failed to provide the "evidence" he claimed he had that proved - ending free movement of people, when we come out of the EU, would NOT help stop exploitation, people trafficking and modern day slavery. And has failed again.keith1879 wrote:Greater percentages have certainly voted in other elections (General elections) but I can't find an example with a higher turnout in absolute terms (which pains me because I really don't want Ringo to be right).
On the other hand the tedious repetition of "single greatest UK vote in favour of one proposition" is (while true) manifestly meaningless since it was also the occasion of the third greatest UK vote in favour of a single proposition which was for the exact opposite. (The second greatest such vote was also to stay in the EU in 1975 and represented a convincing winning percentage on that occasion))
I'm fine (as a remainer) with the proposition that we have to leave the EU because we voted to do so but the idea that you can just ignore the opinions and interests of 48% of the people who voted is ridiculous (although Margaret Thatcher seemed to do it). And I know that I.T. is not a popular figure on here but he(she?) is spot on in saying that the leave campaign went to great lengths to reassure us that we DON'T have to leave the single european market.
It's a complex subject and anyone who pretends that it is simple is clearly not worth listening to.
More people voted in terms of percentage of the electorate and absolute terms in the 1992 general election.keith1879 wrote:Greater percentages have certainly voted in other elections (General elections) but I can't find an example with a higher turnout in absolute terms (which pains me because I really don't want Ringo to be right).
On the other hand the tedious repetition of "single greatest UK vote in favour of one proposition" is (while true) manifestly meaningless since it was also the occasion of the third greatest UK vote in favour of a single proposition which was for the exact opposite. (The second greatest such vote was also to stay in the EU in 1975 and represented a convincing winning percentage on that occasion))
I'm fine (as a remainer) with the proposition that we have to leave the EU because we voted to do so but the idea that you can just ignore the opinions and interests of 48% of the people who voted is ridiculous (although Margaret Thatcher seemed to do it). And I know that I.T. is not a popular figure on here but he(she?) is spot on in saying that the leave campaign went to great lengths to reassure us that we DON'T have to leave the single european market.
It's a complex subject and anyone who pretends that it is simple is clearly not worth listening to.
Slightly surprisingly the 1992 election had a higher turnout than the brexit referendum.keith1879 wrote:Greater percentages have certainly voted in other elections (General elections) but I can't find an example with a higher turnout in absolute terms (which pains me because I really don't want Ringo to be right).
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It's a complex subject and anyone who pretends that it is simple is clearly not worth listening to.
There were however more than two choices. Ringos point still stands, more people voted for leave than have ever voted for anything before. For all the same reasons remain is the second most votes ever cast.martin_p wrote:More people voted in terms of percentage of the electorate and absolute terms in the 1992 general election.
martin_p wrote:More people voted in terms of percentage of the electorate and absolute terms in the 1992 general election.
As I expected, Ringo and inconvenient facts don’t mix.RingoMcCartney wrote:This is some of the finest, desperate clutching at straws I've seen!
Keep it up Marty!
Your clearly trying to take it into extra time with some ducking and diving that Dele Alli would be proud of!
Can't see you changing result though!
It's still -
Ringo McCartney - 2 . Martin " evidence and facts" p - 0
That’s not what he claimed, he said ‘the greatest expression of democracy’. That means numbers involved in the democratic process, not who voted for what.Caballo wrote:There were however more than two choices. Ringos point still stands, more people voted for leave than have ever voted for anything before. For all the same reasons remain is the second most votes ever cast.
Me too.yTib wrote:
back to reality i would certainly pay more tax to help the nhs.
martin_p wrote:That’s not what he claimed, he said ‘the greatest expression of democracy’. That means numbers involved in the democratic process, not who voted for what.
Your wide of the mark Paul. In fact since not paying the BBC licence fee and doing a stretch inside. Your just wide!Tall Paul wrote:It means whatever Ringo wants it to mean at the time.
Name me another referendum or election where a single party or single issue recieved more votes than Leave did.?yTib wrote:ringo's definition of evidence is as dubious as the rest of him.
back to reality i would certainly pay more tax to help the nhs.
My wide what?RingoMcCartney wrote:Your wide of the mark Paul. In fact since not paying the BBC licence fee and doing a stretch inside. Your just wide!
martin_p wrote:That’s not what he claimed, he said ‘the greatest expression of democracy’. That means numbers involved in the democratic process, not who voted for what.
I'd prefer not to go down that particularly rabbit hole if that's ok with you Paul ?Tall Paul wrote:My wide what?
The only problem with that statement is that prior to the vote your torchbearer in chief - Boris Johnson - said the opposite.android wrote:It's funny that the people tying themselves in knots trying (in vain most of the time it seems) to prove Ringo wrong, ignorant of facts and so on are happy to let go another repetition of the myth that has developed since the referendum and especially in recent months, namely that Leave winning meant staying in the Single Market.
Wot?android wrote:Fact lovers thin on the ground all of a sudden!
Don't think that's true Nil. You might be confusing what Boris (my torchbearer - nice one!) said years before the campaign when he was a remainer, or maybe talk of accessing the single market during the campaign. Certainly there are clips of him, Farage and co confirming that we would have to leave the Single Market on leaving the EU. Obviously the other side (Cameron, Osborne, Clegg and co) were crystal clear about it at the time (less so now!) as IT suggests.
And Lancaster why on earth would you be surprised that leavers want different things. Surely you realise that remainers wanted different things - some would have wanted full steam ahead to a federal Europe and some would have wanted to keep vetoing and opting out of as much as possible. Apparently some like IT even wanted to make full use of the deportation powers to deport EU people back to where they came from after a few months without finding a job - not to my taste but we are all different.
So imagine if Ringo was claiming, as some of you are, that a vote to leave was a vote to KEEP freedom of movement!?
Well let's put it this way. Millions of voters only have to listen to Jeremy Corbyn to know they have to vote conservative / UKIP. Similarly, millions of voters only have to listen to Teresa May to feel the need to vote Labour/SNP.Imploding Turtle wrote:Yep. Leave voters are expecting us to believe that they voted leave after listening to remain campaigners.
I'm just wondering how you've managed to assign opinions to me without me expressing them.android wrote:I had never heard of Dan Hannan until recently but that quote seems to be the whole basis of this myth. Interesting choice of words as well isn't it -"no one is talking about leaving the single market" rather than "we will not leave the single market" - typical politician. I can only repeat that people like Johnson and Farage, as well as the remain campaign obviously, stated that we would have to leave the Single Market. Of course they didn't want to talk about it because people associate the single market primarily with trade and they obviously did not want people thinking trading with the EU would cease.
Lancs please can you explain it to IT !? Convenient brain fade perhaps IT or would you now like to admit that you knew a Leave win meant ending freedom of movement and therefore, leaving the SIngle Market? Yes or no would do for me.
You do know they mean exactly the same thing right?RingoMcCartney wrote:
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I say "the biggest single expression of democracy the UK has witnessed."
Not what you're lying I said!!!
Which is " the greatest expression of democracy" which as you, disingenuously, know is very different.
That's how desperate you are Marty!
Look at your post , number 350. It even quotes me saying "The biggest single expression of democracy the UK has witnessed!"
The smoking gun Marty. That's you bang to rights! Hoist by your own petard!!!!
FINAL SCORE.
Ringo McCartney - 3 . Martin " evidence and facts" p - 0
( with a last minute sending off for a second yellow, for blatent cheating!!!!)
Pure pure pure desperation Marty. You're taking being a sore loser to new levels now!martin_p wrote:You do know they mean exactly the same thing right?
Get your facts out for the lads!martin_p wrote:You do know they mean exactly the same thing right?