Southampton (a)- Match Thread

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:08 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:00 pm
We couldn't keep the ball, they missed glorious chances and a wondergoal from nothing nicked us a hard fought point.

We are quite used to not having a lot of the ball. That's how we've largely played at this level since promotion. Yes, they missed chances, particularly first half, but then it's a different game as we would have had to respond accordingly, just as we did when they did score.

All this "they should have had three in the first half" is academic when if the first of those chances goes in, the tactics from both teams have to change.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:09 pm

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:08 pm
We are quite used to not having a lot of the ball. That's how we've largely played at this level since promotion. Yes, they missed chances, particularly first half, but then it's a different game as we would have had to respond accordingly, just as we did when they did score.

All this "they should have had three in the first half" is academic when if the first of those chances goes in, the tactics from both teams have to change.

You said yourself it was a lucky point yet here you are arguing because I said we were out of depth for large parts.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:09 pm

diamondpocket wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:48 pm
Played this second part of the 2nd half the way we should have done after going 1 up.

Said exactly that. Why can’t we react during a game? It was clear what was happening at 1-0 yet it seemed like the plan was just to get to half time then change it. Clearly we couldn’t make it to half time. I don’t want us to shut up shop in the 15th minute but there’s a way of managing periods of the game and this season we have been so poor at it.

The last 10 minutes was back to our best defensively. Soton had nowhere to go and never looked like getting the winner.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:10 pm

How about playing the wide right talent Roberts? He can play infront of Matt Lowton
But the real question is why wasn't Wood and Cork hooked at half time and Vyds and Pieters on.?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:11 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:07 pm
Where did I say the goals were mediocre? and where did I mention anything about the teams near the bottom being better/worse than us?

we could have been 3-1 down at half time, I genuinely don't understand how people aren't seeing that. Without Cornet we would have been beaten comfortably.

Midfield is a massive problem for us

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:11 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:09 pm
You said yourself it was a lucky point yet here you are arguing because I said we were out of depth for large parts.

No. You said we were out of our depth. You didn't even say for large parts, just that we were out of our depth.

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:12 pm

I know the goals had nothing to do with our shape or tactics but still feel we are losing games, & not winning, by not being able to stem the flow of attacks by the opposition due to being far too open. We're struggling to contain teams when they have their moments in the game and usually they score in those periods. Until we learn or change the way we play so we can keep the ball better then we'll continue to struggle imo. A bit like our first season in The Prem.
This isn't a dig at the midfield but more about how we're playing especially when we get the lead. Can't see why Dyche isn't instructing the team to be a bit more cautious once we have the lead, even if we score early, and play more defensively. Is this the new owners' influence in trying to make us a more attractive proposition off the field, and therefore Sean is thinking we need to have a little more of a positive approach on it?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:13 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:10 pm
How about playing the wide right talent Roberts? He can play infront of Matt Lowton
But the real question is why wasn't Wood and Cork hooked at half time and Vyds and Pieters on.?

Pieters in midfield?

No thanks.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:13 pm

I absolutely love it when posters start calling none goals actual goals to back up their points

Teams miss chances lads, they don't count as goals!

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:15 pm

Our best team has to include Vydra, hie pace is essential, and it is starting to **** me off that he doesn't start when fit.

It's clear we have a better starting XI, than we've set up all season. It's a case of horses for courses regarding the opposition, but Sean continually picks the wrong horse. He's being far too stubborn re certain players, far too late with seeing the problem and making the changes. His style of conceding the initiative was fine in our early years in the Prem, we didn't have the quality to do anything else. Now we do, yet he still wants to play the same way.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:16 pm

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:11 pm
No. You said we were out of our depth. You didn't even say for large parts, just that we were out of our depth.

booooooooooring

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:16 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:10 pm
How about playing the wide right talent Roberts? He can play infront of Matt Lowton
But the real question is why wasn't Wood and Cork hooked at half time and Vyds and Pieters on.?

It’s going to go against the narrative on here, and Wood is desperately out of form, but he was involved in a lot of our best moments today.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:17 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:10 pm
How about playing the wide right talent Roberts? He can play infront of Matt Lowton
But the real question is why wasn't Wood and Cork hooked at half time and Vyds and Pieters on.?

Really worried we are going to hack this guy off if he sees how we are playing wide right and he cant make the bench. Just hoping it does not become another "Gibson" situation

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:17 pm

Saints 2 Cornet 2. We need two players of Cornet's quality in midfield. I think Brownhill could do a job, but Cork and Westwood, give me strength.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:17 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:03 pm
And what makes you think those teams near the bottom are any better than us?

The fact that, almost a quarter of the way through the season, they have more points than us may be a reason ?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:18 pm

If our goals were out of the blue and lucky then how about Southampton’s gift from Tarks and free header from a corner? The game ebbed and flowed and on balance we were marginally second best. But we were definitely not out of our depth.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:19 pm

diamondpocket wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:12 pm
I know the goals had nothing to do with our shape or tactics but still feel we are losing games, & not winning, by not being able to stem the flow of attacks by the opposition due to being far too open. We're struggling to contain teams when they have their moments in the game and usually they score in those periods. Until we learn or change the way we play so we can keep the ball better then we'll continue to struggle imo. A bit like our first season in The Prem.
This isn't a dig at the midfield but more about how we're playing especially when we get the lead. Can't see why Dyche isn't instructing the team to be a bit more cautious once we have the lead, even if we score early, and play more defensively. Is this the new owners' influence in trying to make us a more attractive proposition off the field, and therefore Sean is thinking we need to have a little more of a positive approach on it?

Quite possibly. Back half of last seaaon we played well a lot and lost a lot in some key game moments. Newcastle and Soton away spring immediately to mind where we were more open, probably better overall in the 90 but ripped in those key moments teams often have in the Prsm

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:20 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:16 pm
booooooooooring

There is no one more boring and tiresome on here when it comes to irrational and falsehood comments as you.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:21 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:16 pm
booooooooooring

We agree you have to be the most boring one on here ... you do know self praise is no praise don't you

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:21 pm

Not sure that this slating of Wood is deserved

Playing on his own up front and feeding off scraps

Of course Vydra Jay or Barnes would be a much better option given the same scenario ?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:21 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:11 pm
we could have been 3-1 down at half time, I genuinely don't understand how people aren't seeing that. Without Cornet we would have been beaten comfortably.

Midfield is a massive problem for us

Huge problem, the worrying thing is the lack of game management, it was clear Soton were going to score soon with the flurry of chances and constant wave after wave of attack, still there was zero composure in the middle of the pitch, Wood was easily shrugged off the ball as usual, Cork fell over his own feet and Westwood had a simple 5 yard pass and gave it straight to Soton. Someone go down and fake a head injury, show some composure on the ball and keep the ball or win a freekick. Just anything to relieve the pressure and ride out that 5-10 minute spell, instead it was a typical comedy of errors from poor poor players.

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:23 pm

BabylonClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:19 pm
Quite possibly. Back half of last seaaon we played well a lot and lost a lot in some key game moments. Newcastle and Soton away spring immediately to mind where we were more open, probably better overall in the 90 but ripped in those key moments teams often have in the Prsm

Everton away exactly the same this season.
Either the team is not learning, or Dyche isn't!

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:28 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:21 pm
Huge problem, the worrying thing is the lack of game management, it was clear Soton were going to score soon with the flurry of chances and constant wave after wave of attack, still there was zero composure in the middle of the pitch, Wood was easily shrugged off the ball as usual, Cork fell over his own feet and Westwood had a simple 5 yard pass and gave it straight to Soton. Someone go down and fake a head injury, show some composure on the ball and keep the ball or win a freekick. Just anything to relieve the pressure and ride out that 5-10 minute spell, instead it was a typical comedy of errors from poor poor players.

Exactly KRBFC. they are the experienced players in the squad to do exactly that, take the heat off when needed. I said it in the thread earlier. IMO, they are taking the mickey the experienced pros and not earning their corn this season, even Tarky with that stupid pass today. He should know better! No excuses.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:29 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:21 pm
Huge problem, the worrying thing is the lack of game management, it was clear Soton were going to score soon with the flurry of chances and constant wave after wave of attack, still there was zero composure in the middle of the pitch, Wood was easily shrugged off the ball as usual, Cork fell over his own feet and Westwood had a simple 5 yard pass and gave it straight to Soton. Someone go down and fake a head injury, show some composure on the ball and keep the ball or win a freekick. Just anything to relieve the pressure and ride out that 5-10 minute spell, instead it was a typical comedy of errors from poor poor players.

Obviously we can still get a foothold in the game and we have the right players to do it.

Once Southampton scored their second they created nothing of note there afterwards so we were obviously capable of defending from that point onwards without any issues. And remember it was a cock up from Tarkowski that allowed them to score the second goal.

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:35 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:29 pm
Obviously we can still get a foothold in the game and we have the right players to do it.

Once Southampton scored their second they created nothing of note there afterwards so we were obviously capable of defending from that point onwards without any issues. And remember it was a cock up from Tarkowski that allowed them to score the second goal.

And remember we created naff all that 2nd half, JBG & JAY with nothing shots from distance!! Apart from a wonder goal, we wouldn't have even got a point today.The performance overall was poor esp. 2nd half. Confidence looks low.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:37 pm

diamondpocket wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:35 pm
And remember we created naff all that 2nd half, JBG & JAY with nothing shots from distance!! Apart from a wonder goal, we wouldn't have even got a point today.The performance overall was poor esp. 2nd half. Confidence looks low.

But isn't that when we are at our best?

Creating very little, but water tight at the back that once we used to go 1-0 in front we'd have a very good chance of seeing out the game.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:41 pm

diamondpocket wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:35 pm
And remember we created naff all that 2nd half, JBG & JAY with nothing shots from distance!! Apart from a wonder goal, we wouldn't have even got a point today.The performance overall was poor esp. 2nd half. Confidence looks low.

Not strictly true. Westwood fired just wide of the post and JBG was inches away from tapping in a Wood ball across the six yard box.

I can’t remember them creating anything better in the second half.

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:42 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:37 pm
But isn't that when we are at our best?

Creating very little, but water tight at the back that once we used to go 1-0 in front we'd have a very good chance of seeing out the game.

Totally but we seem to have done the opposite though this year with attacking more, without actually creating that much more, and leaving ourselves defensively more open. I think we need to return back to what we once were & still can't believe we didn't do that today after going 1 up!

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:43 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:41 pm
Not strictly true. Westwood fired just wide of the post and JBG was inches away from tapping in a Wood ball across the six yard box.

I can’t remember them creating anything better in the second half.

you're right, forget about JBG nearly getting in & Westy's chance.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:50 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:37 pm
But isn't that when we are at our best?

Creating very little, but water tight at the back that once we used to go 1-0 in front we'd have a very good chance of seeing out the game.

this has been our issue, what has happened that we suddenly look poor defensively ? Not enough protection from midfield ? Conceding from set pieces etc etc

Something is out of kilter

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:04 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:13 pm
I’m sick to death of Tarkowski thinking he’s some kind of flair ball player. What a totally idiotic way to lose a game.

Have you joined the 'Drama queen club'?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:09 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:04 pm
Have you joined the 'Drama queen club'?

I was still fuming when Cornet equalised which didn’t really enable me to enjoy the goal properly.

Maybe I have joined the club, and I certainly lost heart when they got ahead - I didn’t think we’d have enough about us to get a point from there but I’m glad I was wrong.

I’ll stick with my thoughts on Tarks though. As incredible a defender as he is, he has ideas well above his station when in possession. Their second goal wasn’t a mistake as such or a lack of concentration, it was from Tarks attempting to be clever. Ironically had Mee been playing I don’t think he would have found himself in that position.

Tread Warily · Post by **Tread Warily** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:37 pm

Is Ben Mee out injured, and if so, how bad?

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:39 pm

Tread Warily wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:37 pm
Is Ben Mee out injured, and if so, how bad?

He missed last weeks game due to getting covid
Would depend if he’s had any after effects

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:51 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:09 pm

I didn’t think we’d have enough about us to get a point from there but I’m glad I was wrong.

This retrieval of a point has been the high point of this disappointing season so far. Hopefully it augers well for the rest of the season.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:51 pm

I thought Collins was AGAIN OUTSTANDING and will be gutted if Mee replaces him next week v Brentford much as I like Ben. Its only one defeat in 4-and that against Man City

NickBFC · Post by **NickBFC** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:55 pm

Got home about an hour ago, mixed emotions really. We played well in parts, but again look too easy to score against and masters of our own downfall. Positives we didn't lose, scored two, Cornet scores again and looks a real danger, Collins had yet another solid game and with more experience is going to be a rock for us.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:38 pm

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:51 pm
I thought Collins was AGAIN OUTSTANDING and will be gutted if Mee replaces him next week v Brentford much as I like Ben. Its only one defeat in 4-and that against Man City

Thought he looked very dodgy in the first half to be honest. Letting balls bounce and generally looking indecisive. Second half was much better when the defence was less exposed.

Mee comes straight back in for me though, and that returns Tarks to his best position. Win win.

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:46 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:38 pm
Thought he looked very dodgy in the first half to be honest. Letting balls bounce and generally looking indecisive. Second half was much better when the defence was less exposed.

Mee comes straight back in for me though, and that returns Tarks to his best position. Win win.

I agree, great potential in Collins but as you say he hasn’t outshone Ben (he wasn’t expected to of course) and his first half performance today was off for me. Still, very positive signs and a great signing in the long term.

LTUK89 · Post by **LTUK89** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:59 am

Is Pope going to make a save this season? Sure be cool if he did.