Wout Weghorst

[Milltown1882]

He acted like a petulant child at Watford. Players show anger when subbed often, but not like that match. He sat behind Jackson staring at him shaking his head. I would like to think he apologised to him and the team when Jackson’s substitution proved the catalyst for us to change a defeat into a victory, but judging by his reluctance in celebrating the win with the fans and rest of the squad, I somehow doubt it.

This tonight looked very much like a player (Roberts) getting something off his chest that he has perhaps wanted to say for many months, and who can blame him. Weghorst was a terrible signing for us in the system we play (not his fault). A player with a lovely first touch and close control, but with such a chronic lack of pace and physicality that he ended up looking a fish out of water. He missed crucial chances in the games that mattered, then made clear very quickly after relegation that he was off. He deserves any and all stick he gets. Pantomime villain, perhaps, but in a terrible season for all involved and with many players/staff underperforming, Weghorst was the sour cherry on top of a particularly out of date cake.

He will score for fun in Turkey, as that’s what flat track bullies do. England was too good for him, and he wants out because he knows it.

‘ He missed crucial chances in the games that mattered’

You could’ve just left it there. Juke Mk2. His reaction away at Watford is one of the most pathetic reactions I’ve seen from a PL player at getting subbed off.

[deanothedino]

It looked like Roberts did say “why don’t you do that for Burnley”

Which is a bit rich coming from Roberts. Some of our fans could defend better than that lad.

[daveisaclaret]

The anti Weghorst stuff in relation to his attitude is very much at odds with everything Dyche said about him in the first month after he’d signed. He went out of his way to say what a professional attitude Weghorst brought to the club with him.

The signing hasn’t really worked, but this painting him as a pantomime villain is a bit OTT.

I think in hindsight Dyche saying Cornet and Weghorst were long term targets, and everything on top of that, was just an attempt at good PR. He knew he wasn't untouchable with Pace as he was with Garlick and he went out and said what he thought he needed to say. His interviews were always much more about what he thought it benefitted him to say than the actual truth.

[Jimmymaccer]

Not one to generally get on a players back, though:
Scored a cracker
Miss a sitter
Couldn’t head a ball
Slow
Out muscled
Strop at Watford
Says “I’d agreed I wouldn’t play for Burnley in The Championship”
And tonight his reaction to Roberts

Two thoughts:
Good riddance
Roberts is exactly the attitude we may need next season.

[Milltown1882]

Hoping exactly the same. Surely if there are multiple suitors goals like that should trigger a bidding war.

By the way, if Hennessey was playing he would have saved it! Wasn't even on the bench which seemed odd after his heroics against Ukraine.

Pointless playing him after he played in the game that got them in to the World Cup. They’re using it as friendlies.

[Papabendi]

He acted like a petulant child at Watford. Players show anger when subbed often, but not like that match. He sat behind Jackson staring at him shaking his head. I would like to think he apologised to him and the team when Jackson’s substitution proved the catalyst for us to change a defeat into a victory, but judging by his reluctance in celebrating the win with the fans and rest of the squad, I somehow doubt it.

This tonight looked very much like a player (Roberts) getting something off his chest that he has perhaps wanted to say for many months, and who can blame him. Weghorst was a terrible signing for us in the system we play (not his fault). A player with a lovely first touch and close control, but with such a chronic lack of pace and physicality that he ended up looking a fish out of water. He missed crucial chances in the games that mattered, then made clear very quickly after relegation that he was off. He deserves any and all stick he gets. Pantomime villain, perhaps, but in a terrible season for all involved and with many players/staff underperforming, Weghorst was the sour cherry on top of a particularly out of date cake.

He will score for fun in Turkey, as that’s what flat track bullies do. England was too good for him, and he wants out because he knows it.

Not sure you can truly prove England was too much as we were to, almost a man, for most of the season, bloody awful.

[Nonayforever]

I think in hindsight Dyche saying Cornet and Weghorst were long term targets, and everything on top of that, was just an attempt at good PR. He knew he wasn't untouchable with Pace as he was with Garlick and he went out and said what he thought he needed to say. His interviews were always much more about what he thought it benefitted him to say than the actual truth.

Not disagreeing with you, but I actually think Dyche was more taking the **** and being sarcastic rather than doing good PR.

[KRBFC]

That is all well and good, but the rumours for a while have been that he isn’t popular in the dressing room. Roberts hasn’t really dispelled that notion tonight. Reading between several lines and the club may want him out as much as he may want to himself.

The problem is, there's way too much reading between the lines. Nobody has ever said Wout was a problem in the dressing room, there is zero evidence of that. I didn't like his comments the other day but making stuff up to pretend he's some kind of villain is weird.

[KRBFC]

Not one to generally get on a players back, though:
Scored a cracker
Miss a sitter
Couldn’t head a ball
Slow
Out muscled
Strop at Watford
Says “I’d agreed I wouldn’t play for Burnley in The Championship”
And tonight his reaction to Roberts

Two thoughts:
Good riddance
Roberts is exactly the attitude we may need next season.

It's funny to see fans side with Roberts here despite knowing nothing about the context of the conversation. Lets just all assume what Roberts said and Wout is the bad guy, weird

[TheOriginalLongsider]

Wasn’t Weghorst texting other Burnley players telling them how they could improve their game? No wonder he was unpopular.

[jedi_master]

Not sure you can truly prove England was too much as we were to, almost a man, for most of the season, bloody awful.

His pace would hold him back in any side in the Premier League as a goalscorer, IMO.

I said I’d have liked to have seen him in the Championship (particularly under Kompany) to see how he would do, but his general lack of physicality and inability to compete in the air would hold him back in that league possibly too. I just don’t think he suits the English leagues.

We were absolutely awful though, no disagreement there.

[KRBFC]

Wasn’t Weghorst texting other Burnley players telling them how they could improve their game? No wonder he was unpopular.

No you just made that up, you also made up he was unpopular

[It Is What It Is]

Scored for Holland tonight...bloody typical!
If only he'd done it at the Turf.

[It Is What It Is]

Scored for Holland tonight...bloody typical!
If only he'd done it at the Turf.

[Papabendi]

His pace would hold him back in any side in the Premier League as a goalscorer, IMO.

I said I’d have liked to have seen him in the Championship (particularly under Kompany) to see how he would do, but his general lack of physicality and inability to compete in the air would hold him back in that league possibly too. I just don’t think he suits the English leagues.

We were absolutely awful though, no disagreement there.

Is he / was he slower than Crouch, Sheringham? We were awful. He'd never played in the toughest league in the world before in one of the league's worst teams. Hiding to nothing.

[KRBFC]

People saying pace is the reason he wouldn't score regular goals in the PL must be new to football. There's been an absolute ton of slow lethal goalscorers in the PL

[Quickenthetempo]

Not one to generally get on a players back, though:
Scored a cracker
Miss a sitter
Couldn’t head a ball
Slow
Out muscled
Strop at Watford
Says “I’d agreed I wouldn’t play for Burnley in The Championship”
And tonight his reaction to Roberts

Two thoughts:
Good riddance
Roberts is exactly the attitude we may need next season.

What are you seeing bad in WW reaction to Roberts? He walks away before telling him to shut up?
Roberts clearly at fault there or is there more to the clip shown?

[Newcastleclaret93]

People saying pace is the reason he wouldn't score regular goals in the PL must be new to football. There's been an absolute ton of slow lethal goalscorers in the PL

Can’t think of many in the last 5 years?

The games changed a lot since the end of Fergie and Wenger.

[jedi_master]

Is he / was he slower than Crouch, Sheringham? We were awful. He'd never played in the toughest league in the world before in one of the league's worst teams. Hiding to nothing.

Probably very similar for pace, but nowhere near as good! In another team/system he could have (potentially) done a lot better, we’ll never know. He’d certainly have suited a lot of teams more than us.

I genuinely think Pace saw his height at 6’6, his return in Germany and thought “He’ll suit Dyche”. I just refuse to believe a serious level of analytics had been performed on his capability as a target man, which is clearly what he was being shoehorned into being for us.

[Newcastleclaret93]

What are you seeing bad in WW reaction to Roberts? He walks away before telling him to shut up?
Roberts clearly at fault there or is there more to the clip shown?

That clip on there doesn’t show Weghorst rejecting to shake Roberts hand first.

[Milltown1882]

Can’t think of many in the last 5 years?

The games changed a lot since the end of Fergie and Wenger.

Harry Kane ain’t exactly quick

[Newcastleclaret93]

Harry Kane ain’t exactly quick

Considerably quicker than Weghorst.

I only striker I can think off that’s remotely similar to his Pace was Crouch and potentially Vokes

[Swizzlestick]

What a finish as well. So frustrating. He’s clearly talented - he wouldn’t have the scoring record he has or be chosen for his national team by a manager like Van Gaal if he hadn’t. I just think his well documented attitude problems and the fact he was playing for a manager who clearly didn’t want him nor played a style suited to his game have created this mess. He’d score a hatful in the Championship, but his comments have put paid to any future here now. Clearly he’s lost his teammates so that makes anything other than leaving untenable however much I’d like to see him stay.

[deanothedino]

Scored for Holland tonight...bloody typical!
If only he'd done it at the Turf.

The Netherlands, Holland as two provinces don’t play at the international level.

[BurnleyFC]

Which is a bit rich coming from Roberts. Some of our fans could defend better than that lad.

You have a point.

Roberts was pretty awful last season, too.

[KRBFC]

Can’t think of many in the last 5 years?

The games changed a lot since the end of Fergie and Wenger.

Kane, Crouch, Wood, Bamford, Calvert Lewin, Benteke, Jimenez just a few off the top of my head in recent years.

[KRBFC]

Can even put Barnes and Glen Murray in that list

[Papabendi]

Probably very similar for pace, but nowhere near as good! In another team/system he could have (potentially) done a lot better, we’ll never know. He’d certainly have suited a lot of teams more than us.

I genuinely think Pace saw his height at 6’6, his return in Germany and thought “He’ll suit Dyche”. I just refuse to believe a serious level of analytics had been performed on his capability as a target man, which is clearly what he was being shoehorned into being for us.

More work done than you think. These are huge fees remember. Even at the Hennings level a lot was done. Every signing is a risk and even for Wegs modest contribution I'm pleased we made it vs having what we had in reserve.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Kane, Crouch, Wood, Bamford, Calvert Lewin, Benteke, Jimenez just a few off the top of my head in recent years.

Only striker that’s remotely similar in pace is Crouch. The rest can actually run the channels.

[quoonbeatz]

Wasn’t Weghorst texting other Burnley players telling them how they could improve their game? No wonder he was unpopular.

He did that at wolfsburg. Not heard of him doing it here.

[Bin Ont Turf]

It's funny to see fans side with Roberts here despite knowing nothing about the context of the conversation. Lets just all assume what Roberts said and Wout is the bad guy, weird

Are you new to football?

Burnley fans siding with a Burnley player against a player who wants away.

Hold the back page, we have an exclusive.

[KRBFC]

Are you new to football?

Burnley fans siding with a Burnley player against a player who wants away.

Hold the back page, we have an exclusive.

At least Roberts is getting some positive reactions, he was ******* shite for us too tbh.

[KRBFC]

Only striker that’s remotely similar in pace is Crouch. The rest can actually run the channels.

I'm not sure about that, Weghorst can get around, he looks slower than he is because of how tall he is. That long stride can eat up the ground, nowhere near quick mind.

[Papabendi]

I'd also say, talking about pace and our relative time in the Premier League, it does raise a chuckle. Wasn't it Claret Tony who said it was all irrelevant as the ball always moves faster. Maybe if we had supplied a ball to Weg as he had it tonight all would have been copacetic.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I'm not sure about that, Weghorst can get around, he looks slower than he is because of how tall he is. That long stride can eat up the ground, nowhere near quick mind.

We looked through the stats before and he was considerably slower.

It was Deceiving but from memory the likes of Woods top speed was 7kmh higher than weghorsts

[Newcastleclaret93]

I'd also say, talking about pace and our relative time in the Premier League, it does raise a chuckle. Wasn't it Claret Tony who said it was all irrelevant as the ball always moves faster. Maybe if we had supplied a ball to Weg as he had it tonight all would have been copacetic.

According to the expected goal stats he was one of the worst in the league. He should have scored four more goals based on chances created.

[agreenwood]

That is all well and good, but the rumours for a while have been that he isn’t popular in the dressing room. Roberts hasn’t really dispelled that notion tonight. Reading between several lines and the club may want him out as much as he may want to himself.

I’ll take what Dyche said over any rumours. One of Dyche’s much lauded qualities was that he was an excellent judge of character.

[Papabendi]

We looked through the stats before and he was considerably slower.

It was Deceiving but from memory the likes of Woods top speed was 7kmh higher than weghorsts

And how did Wood do overall this season

[Newcastleclaret93]

And how did Wood do overall this season

Better actually

His XG to goals scored was 1.4 less. For the record Jay Rodriguez actually had a worst XG than Weghorst.

Doesn’t say much when our two leading strikers were in the top 5 for worst conversion rate

[Papabendi]

Wood took a pen for Newcastle didn't he

Please don't blame Weghorst for relegation. We were truly awful before him, a bit better after him but ultimately not good enough as an 11

[deanothedino]

Better actually

His XG to goals scored was 1.4 less. For the record Jay Rodriguez actually had a worst XG than Weghorst.

Doesn’t say much when our two leading strikers were in the top 5 for worst conversion rate

Got both his XG and goals scored were pretty poor for a striker whose job is to score goals

[Burnley Ace]

Not one to generally get on a players back, though:
Scored a cracker
Miss a sitter
Couldn’t head a ball
Slow
Out muscled
Strop at Watford
Says “I’d agreed I wouldn’t play for Burnley in The Championship”
And tonight his reaction to Roberts

Two thoughts:
Good riddance
Roberts is exactly the attitude we may need next season.

Says “we’d agreed… not I’d agreed

[aggi]

According to the expected goal stats he was one of the worst in the league. He should have scored four more goals based on chances created.

We have recently renewed the contract of a striker with a worse record than that though.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

As I said a number of weeks ago he wasn't well liked at the club

[joey13]

I’ll take what Dyche said over any rumours. One of Dyche’s much lauded qualities was that he was an excellent judge of character.

Drinkwater ?

[Papabendi]

You were in the changing room I assume?

[superdimitri]

Did Pierre van Hooijdonk not go AWOL then turn back up when they got promoted? Is it a Dutch thing?

I just looked him up and no, he continued to play.
Things are different nowadays though, Hooijdonk still played for the national side despite playing in the championship. These days you need to keep playing at a high level to stand a chance.
We would have wanted Weghorst to agree to a wage drop when relegated like all of our players but no doubt he didn't want to agree to it.

In fact, he probably would never have signed off it wasn't for a relegation clause.

[Papabendi]

Drinkwater ?

Dyche didn't want Drinkwater

[Newcastleclaret93]

We have recently renewed the contract of a striker with a worse record than that though.

I’m not saying that’s a good idea.

Given the circumstances I would have personally just kept as an impact sub and started fresh

[elwaclaret]

If his actions since the close of the season are a mark of Weghorst, then I would say he lacks class and respect and I can well believe he’s not popular anywhere around the club. I don’t think we will be seeing him back at Burnley whatever next season brings, if (and it remains an if) he gets his move.