Summer 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[elwaclaret]

How many keepers at 32 consistently play in the prem?

Genuine question I have no idea.

Neither have I but, historically keepers are playing long after outfield players at the highest level. What they lose in agility they gain in reading the game and positioning, something Pope already has covered, but will only improve on. Not many keepers who leave Premier clubs head down the leagues either, and carry on in the other major leagues (a bit like Hart did) before coming to us. Keepers regularly move from Premier to Premier between 1 and reserve and back again too…

Just strikes me as very odd to think Pope is not good enough to remain at the top, and shocking that at a time I expect him to be still improving (hopefully) and have years at the summit ahead of him, others expect a world class keeper wont be in demand.

[rob63]

I think they bid 10m according to the sun.

Yet they thought an uncapped centre-half of theirs with no experience of the Premier League was worth £25m the last couple of years? Deluded club!

[NewClaret]

Ok let’s do it, all winnings go to a local charity?

Funny you should say that, but I was going to suggest the food bank?

I’ll go for £10 for every £1m under £20m that Pope is sold for. So £19m = £10, etc. And you can pay whatever sum you’re comfortable with - won’t take any offence whatsoever if you make it 50p for every £1m when he’s gone for £40m!

[Conroy92]

He’s a good keeper? But world class, come on. If he was world class top teams would be trying to snap him up.

Maybe over a full season he's not quite world class but in patches I think he is. The last 4-6 games of the season he was

[Woodleyclaret]

Nick Pope is the best English keeper in the World why do our fans fall into the trap of suggesting our players are worth Happy Shopper money?
Nick must not be sold as he is vital to our promotion prospects for next season
If our forwards had put in a shift for the last 4 games ,like Nick did, we would be looking at another season at the top table

[RVclaret]

Interesting debate with Pope. On one hand I do see Newcastles point, although I also think he downplays Pope’s keeping abilities a fair bit. The only thing stopping him from being England number 1 is his kicking. It’s simply nowhere near good enough for that level and that’s what’s stopped a big club in the league coming in. Everything else is worthy of an elite level.

So that brings the question, how much will a team pay for a 30 year old keeper? He’s probably still got 3 decent seasons in him. Proven PL keeper. But no point comparing to Ramsdale’s fee as he was 7 years younger and importantly, is quite decent with his feet. Nowadays, keepers are absolutely key to playing possession football, which most top sides do.

Therefore, I think the max we will get is £20m and it will only get to that price if a few teams come in. Fulham were linked and obviously there’s this Forest link. Thing is with Forest, will they spend 20m of their budget on a keeper? They’ve already got a potential 15m bill on signing their on loan right back, Spence.

Possibly Newcastle who do need a keeper and have pulled out of wanting Dean Henderson. Other than that, I struggle to see who will buy Pope for that kind of fee.

[RVclaret]

Nick Pope is the best English keeper in the World why do our fans fall into the trap of suggesting our players are worth Happy Shopper money?
Nick must not be sold as he is vital to our promotion prospects for next season
If our forwards had put in a shift for the last 4 games ,like Nick did, we would be looking at another season at the top table

I think you are missing the key point that we owe a ‘significant portion’ of a 65m loan to our creditor. How else do you think this is going to be paid than player sales? Pope absolutely MUST be sold, it’s not in question.

[Sheedyclaret]

Interesting debate with Pope. On one hand I do see Newcastles point, although I also think he downplays Pope’s keeping abilities a fair bit. The only thing stopping him from being England number 1 is his kicking. It’s simply nowhere near good enough for that level and that’s what’s stopped a big club in the league coming in. Everything else is worthy of an elite level.

So that brings the question, how much will a team pay for a 30 year old keeper? He’s probably still got 3 decent seasons in him. Proven PL keeper. But no point comparing to Ramsdale’s fee as he was 7 years younger and importantly, is quite decent with his feet. Nowadays, keepers are absolutely key to playing possession football, which most top sides do.

Therefore, I think the max we will get is £20m and it will only get to that price if a few teams come in. Fulham were linked and obviously there’s this Forest link. Thing is with Forest, will they spend 20m of their budget on a keeper? They’ve already got a potential 15m bill on signing their on loan right back, Spence.

Possibly Newcastle who do need a keeper and have pulled out of wanting Dean Henderson. Other than that, I struggle to see who will buy Pope for that kind of fee.

Absolute nonsense

[RVclaret]

Absolute nonsense

Care to expand?

[pushpinpussy]

i believe the transfer window officially opens today.

[Sheedyclaret]

Care to expand?

I stopped reading after you stated (a top keeper by the way) at 30 years old only had 3 good seasons left in him your either on a wind up or have no knowledge of football

[RVclaret]

I stopped reading after you stated (a top keeper by the way) at 30 years old only had 3 good seasons left in him your either on a wind up or have no knowledge of football

Fair point. Ben Foster has still been doing it at 39 and Fraser Forster had a decent season at 34. Though some keepers like Joe Hart declined massively at around 30.

However, as NewcastleClaret said, £16m is the record paid for an over 30 goalkeeper in the Prem. There is obviously a reason for that. So how much more can we get for him? Don’t forget, it’s how much another team would be willing to actually spend.

Btw I’m in complete agreement that he’s a top keeper.

[jojomk1]

i believe the transfer window officially opens today.

Have we signed anyone yet ?

[Rileybobs]

For a bit of context, the goalkeeper named in the PFA team of the year turns 30 in a few months.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Be nice if we can sign someone soon and then we can have him talked about in a negative way as we must have done the whole current squad by now.

Be nice to read something new and negative

[Pearcey]

Just seen that Middlesbrough could be in for Adam Armstrong on loan. If he’s available I wouldn’t mind us going for him.

[arise_sir_charge]

Previous transfers are pretty irrelevant.

The question is, has there been a 30 year old goalkeeper with the ability and firm of Pope available before.

[jedi_master]

Just seen that Middlesbrough could be in for Adam Armstrong on loan. If he’s available I wouldn’t mind us going for him.

Excellent shout.

[Woodleyclaret]

Is this the same Armstrong who stopped scoring after November?

[Pearcey]

Is this the same Armstrong who stopped scoring after November?

Form is temporary and I don’t know if you know, but we’re playing in the championship next season.

[RVclaret]

Previous transfers are pretty irrelevant.

The question is, has there been a 30 year old goalkeeper with the ability and firm of Pope available before.

I think it's more, which PL club would spend north of 20m on a goalkeeper.

Let's take a look:

Arsenal - no, they have Ramsdale
Aston Villa - no, Argentiana national team keeper
Bournemouth - no, would improve them but their keeper got in the Champ TOTY, 20m would therefore be an unneccessery large chunk of their budget
Brentford - no, Raya been superb and called up for Spain ahead of De Gea
Brighton - no, Sanchez had an incredible season and his passing out from the back is required for Potter's football
Chelsea - no, they have Mendy
Palace - no, they've just signed Sam Johnstone on a free
Everton - no, they have Pickford
Fulham - quite possible, if they have the budget
Leeds - would improve them massively but they seem to be spending elsewhere
Leicester - no, still got Schmeichel
Liverpool - no
Manchester United - no
Manchester City - no
Newcastle - yes, they have the funds and I think it would be a great signing for them
Forest - yes if they have the funds
Southampton - no, they are signing Bazanu from City for 10m
Spurs - no
West Ham - possibly, he'd be an upgrade on Fabianski and suit Moyes's football
Wolves - no, Jose Sa was their player of the year

So overall, around 4/5 teams there who I could see coming in for him.

What we need is 2/3 to start a bit of a bidding war and we should get at least 20m.

[ervi34]

West Ham are getting Areola

[NewClaret]

Just seen that Middlesbrough could be in for Adam Armstrong on loan. If he’s available I wouldn’t mind us going for him.

If he is, and having read Wout’s most recent comments, I wonder whether we could utilise him in a swap such as this. I’d feel better about it than a loan, anyway.

[RVclaret]

West Ham are getting Areola

Yeah fair enough.

Also seen that Fulham are rumoured to be getting Lazio keeper Thomas Strakosha on a free.

So that would rule out those two teams as well.

[upanatem]

Before posting on this thread, could people please read the thread title first? Thank you.

[Goobs]

If he is, and having read Wout’s most recent comments, I wonder whether we could utilise him in a swap such as this. I’d feel better about it than a loan, anyway.

Why would they want him? Not as if he looked brilliant in the prem for us. I think a move back to Europe somewhere is more likely.

[NewClaret]

Why would they want him? Not as if he looked brilliant in the prem for us. I think a move back to Europe somewhere is more likely.

To be honest, I thought he looked decent and in a more attacking team would score more goals. He’s a proven scorer. But I was more meaning they might be willing to swap with Armstrong, who had a shocker. Them getting Wout scoring in the PL and us getting Armstrong scoring/confident again might be a deal that could work for all, was my thinking.

[Goobs]

To be honest, I thought he looked decent and in a more attacking team would score more goals. He’s a proven scorer. But I was more meaning they might be willing to swap with Armstrong, who had a shocker. Them getting Wout scoring in the PL and us getting Armstrong scoring/confident again might be a deal that could work for all, was my thinking.

I'm not saying he looked awful and I can sort of understand your point. My thinking was they already have Adams who is more mobile, stronger, already settled and can do most of what Weghorst can.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Funny you should say that, but I was going to suggest the food bank?

I’ll go for £10 for every £1m under £20m that Pope is sold for. So £19m = £10, etc. And you can pay whatever sum you’re comfortable with - won’t take any offence whatsoever if you make it 50p for every £1m when he’s gone for £40m!

Sounds good to me newclaret

[NewClaret]

Sounds good to me newclaret

[Targetman]

Interesting debate with Pope. On one hand I do see Newcastles point, although I also think he downplays Pope’s keeping abilities a fair bit. The only thing stopping him from being England number 1 is his kicking. It’s simply nowhere near good enough for that level and that’s what’s stopped a big club in the league coming in. Everything else is worthy of an elite level.

So that brings the question, how much will a team pay for a 30 year old keeper? He’s probably still got 3 decent seasons in him. Proven PL keeper. But no point comparing to Ramsdale’s fee as he was 7 years younger and importantly, is quite decent with his feet. Nowadays, keepers are absolutely key to playing possession football, which most top sides do.

Therefore, I think the max we will get is £20m and it will only get to that price if a few teams come in. Fulham were linked and obviously there’s this Forest link. Thing is with Forest, will they spend 20m of their budget on a keeper? They’ve already got a potential 15m bill on signing their on loan right back, Spence.

Possibly Newcastle who do need a keeper and have pulled out of wanting Dean Henderson. Other than that, I struggle to see who will buy Pope for that kind of fee.

Did you watch Germany v England on Tuesday?

Pickford's kicking at times was dreadful. If it had been Pope playing those balls into touch like Pickford did then he would have been slated by the commentator.
There wasn't a mention when Pickford did it.

Everyone seems to be pre-occupied with Nick Popes kicking, yes we know at times it can be a bit wayward but his distribution on the whole in the latter part of the season was much improved.

And boy does he know how to keep the ball out of our net!

[Paddy1882]

Not a rumour but just seen Villa have released Connor Hourihane. Always rated him, lovely left foot, very comfortable on the ball and has experience at getting promoted out the league. As a freebie could do far worse.

[RVclaret]

Not a rumour but just seen Villa have released Connor Hourihane. Always rated him, lovely left foot, very comfortable on the ball and has experience at getting promoted out the league. As a freebie could do far worse.

Would be a decent free that. I’ll also chuck Josh Laurent into the mix, free from Reading, box to box CM who was voted their POTY season before last.

[Pearcey]

Not a rumour but just seen Villa have released Connor Hourihane. Always rated him, lovely left foot, very comfortable on the ball and has experience at getting promoted out the league. As a freebie could do far worse.

31 years old. That’s enough to cause a meltdown on here.

[scamander]

re: Pickford's kicking - I'm told he's picked for this. As another poster commented earlier, the other night his passing was wayward. A few times he hit a silky cover drive, bisecting the England defenders and finding the boundary with ease.

We seem to be having the wicketkeeper batsman fad all over again. Pickford is a very poor keeper at international level, even when he takes regular stuff it always looks as if he'll drop it. The media love him though so when he makes an error they mumble and when he makes either a regular save or a decent one it's over hyped.

[Smile]

I thought Pickford had a good tournament last summer and most of the time performs very well for England.

[jackmiggins]

He’s a flapper

[jackmiggins]

Rated him when he was at Sunderland, but hasn’t improved from those days.

[bobinho]

I thought Pickford had a good tournament last summer and most of the time performs very well for England.

That you Gareth?

[Smile]

That you Gareth?

After the tournament last summer a lot of fans thought he had played well. No major cockups that I remember and kept us in it in the penalty shootout when we looked dead and buried.
I'm not even a big fan of his, just stating that for England in the last 12 months he's done well enough to keep the shirt.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I thought Pickford had a good tournament last summer and most of the time performs very well for England.

He had a better season than pope this year.

Also is considerably better for England.

Doesn’t fit the claret tinted view though.

There’s a reason know one even considers pope as a rival for Pickford.

[RVclaret]

He had a better season than pope this year.

Also is considerably better for England.

Doesn’t fit the claret tinted view though.

There’s a reason know one even considers pope as a rival for Pickford.

Wouldn’t say he had a better season.

Pope 9 clean sheets to Pickford 7.

Pope 47 goals conceded to Pickford 59.

Pope 68.4% shots saved to Pickford 67.4%

Pope 46 high claims to Pickford 28.

‘Considerably better for England’ - didn’t Pope set the record for the most games without conceding a goal?

You are quick to point at Claret tinted bias, sometimes which I think some posters do have, but you don’t help yourself with rash statements.

No one considers Pope a rival because he plays for us.

[BurnleyFC]

He had a better season than pope this year.

Also is considerably better for England.

Doesn’t fit the claret tinted view though.

There’s a reason know one even considers pope as a rival for Pickford.

Pickford didn’t have a better season than Pope, in fact I can’t remember the last time he actually did have a better season than Pope - probably when Pope was injured.

He also let in a dolly against Germany.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Pickford didn’t have a better season than Pope, in fact I can’t remember the last time he actually did have a better season than Pope - probably when Pope was injured.

He also let in a dolly against Germany.

Pickford won there player of the year and is a massive a reason they are in the prem and we are not.

He was world class towards the end of the season

[Newcastleclaret93]

Wouldn’t say he had a better season.

Pope 9 clean sheets to Pickford 7.

Pope 47 goals conceded to Pickford 59.

Pope 68.4% shots saved to Pickford 67.4%

Pope 46 high claims to Pickford 28.

‘Considerably better for England’ - didn’t Pope set the record for the most games without conceding a goal?

You are quick to point at Claret tinted bias, sometimes which I think some posters do have, but you don’t help yourself with rash statements.

No one considers Pope a rival because he plays for us.

Selective stats

No one considers pope a rival because he’s simply not the same level

[ksrclaret]

Selective stats

No one considers pope a rival because he’s simply not the same level

Now that is irony at its absolute finest.

[Tall Paul]

Selective stats

No one considers pope a rival because he’s simply not the same level

Can you give us some stats to support your view that Pickford had a better season?

[RVclaret]

Now that is irony at its absolute finest.

textbook definition.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Can you give us some stats to support your view that Pickford had a better season?

The main stat his saves kept them up, That’s why both the manager and fans singled him out for player of the season.

Popes a great keeper but let’s not pretend like he didn’t have a poor season. He started off poorly and made some real clangers against palace and Newcastle

[arise_sir_charge]

Nick Pope is a better goalkeeper than Jordan Pickford.

Jordan Pickford is a better footballer than Nick Pope.

Southgate, like most major managers wants to balance the keeping aspect with the footballing aspect and that is why Pickford plays.

Someone mentioned the Kepler batsmen argument above. Perfect example. Chris Read and James Foster were both miles better keepers than Geraint Jones and Matt Prior etc but they fit the team better.