Flight tracking of our new striker not allowed anymore?

[Vegas Claret]

has anyone located a striker yet ? ffs

[Fretters]

Just a thought, am I allowed to track Father Christmas night like I usually do with the kids?

[Lancasterclaret]

Just a thought, am I allowed to track Father Christmas night like I usually do with the kids?

I think Elon disapproves of such a woke activity as giving presents for free so probably not

[Spijed]

has anyone located a striker yet ? ffs

We did but he turned round at the airport as we wouldn't settle his debts.

[Clovius Boofus]

Santa has been binned off Twitter. He didn't have a blue tick.

[Devils_Advocate]

DA ignores my questions and then whinges that I did not respond to him posting something about a woman on Twitter that I have never heard of and so it goes on.

I am not whinging at you about not responding but just pointing out what I see going on here on this thread. At the very start of the discussion you accused me of whataboutery and cherry picking yet the first thing you did was dodge discussing any of the points I made and jumped onto other topics like Mermaids etc in what can only be described as whataboutery and then continued to cherry pick and mis-frame pretty much everything as I pointed out with the way you used the example to the Mermaids trustee who was linked to Paedophilia

The only defence I can offer Greenmile, Dave, DA (God knows why I am defending them - Greenmile will probably be along in a minute to explain that I am only pretending to care about my daughter!) is that they have got very confused about sex versus "gender".

This makes me wonder if you are actually reading what I have posted as I haven’t provided any opinion on the complexities of the science and the debate around sex and gender. As you seem to be putting words and opinions into my mouth let me be clear what my position and arguments have been on this thread.

I joined the discussion helping highlight how ridiculous it was to hold up Graham Linehan as the proof that people are getting silenced just for merely stating simple statements about what a women is or isn't. I then engaged you about the recent news around the discovery that LGB Alliance is part of the same group of dark money funded right wing groups that reside at 55 Tufton St

My argument on this thread is that right and far right groups are infiltrating the women's rights movement and some LGB movements to use as a way to hide their disgusting attacks on trans people. I’ve provided examples that show prominent people from the LGB and women's rights movement have been happy to align themselves with these right wing groups.

This is really problematic for me because if you truly cared about the rights of women or lesbians then you would be horrified that prominent groups who are supposedly there to fight for those peoples rights are aligning themselves with the part of the society who are the biggest threat to those rights seemingly just because they share a hatred of trans People. Conservative Christian groups and far right groups in the US and UK are a far greater threat to the rights of Women and LGB people than are trans people and the people who fight to protect the rights of trans people.

The more specific part of my argument and disagreement with you on this subject is that I think LGB Alliance is a hate group that was set up and funded by money from right wing conservative and Christian groups and whose main focus is the attack on trans people rather than supporting LGB People. You might not care about who helps fund the LGB Alliance and who they are closely associated with but I think it is very important in giving insight into who they really are and what their real motives are.

The Heritage Foundation is a right wing US conservative group who oppose bodily autonomy for women and who oppose same sex marriage but at the moment they are very much focused on removing any rights that trans people currently have. The Heritage Foundation is the US version of 55 Tufton street and has close links to Matthew and Sarah Elliott who sit across all these groups in both the UK and the US.

The reason I think this is important to my opinion on the LGB Alliance is because in the months before the LGB Alliance was set up by Bev Jackson she was regularly on Twitter endorsing and supporting the Heritage Foundation. Then she sets up the LGB Alliance which we now know was set up and funded as part of the same lobbyist and think tank groups that make up 55 Tufton Street which have direct links to the Heritage Foundation in the US. Initially as per the Heritage Foundation the LBG Alliance position was opposed to same sex marriage but they had to step back on that as in the UK they could no way get any credibility as an LGB group with that stance. Its very telling that its the position they tried to take.

Another couple of points on the LGB Alliance I dont think Ive previously mentioned with regards to the court case you brought up was that they claimed to be a group that was predominantly made up of LGB people however under oath the LGB Alliance (Alison Bailey I think but i’ve not read the detail for a few months so might not be her) had to admit that according to the information they hold LGB people only make up around 8% of their membership. Also as the challenge was against LGB Alliance holding a charity status the court challenged them on what they had done or are doing with their funding and money they raised to support the LGB Community and their response was “We’ll get around to it”

So we have a group who are supposed to be there predominantly to fight for the rights of the LGB community and provide support for them yet they were set up with money and close links to groups that oppose LGB rights, they originally did not support same sex marriage, they are a group overwhelmingly made up of heterosexual men and women and by their own admission despite being in place for some time were not able to point to anything substantive they have done to run events and use their money to the benefit of the LGB Community. We also have prominent members openly sharing platforms with the far right and admitting they are happy to work with homophobes and racists who share their views on sex based rights for women.

Just to add also within the LGB community the LGB Alliance itself is a small minority group and the LGB Community predominantly see trans people as their allies and support LGBQT+ and are very much opposed to what the LGB Alliance stand for. It is also true that the majority of women support trans rights and are opposed to groups like the LGB Alliance but I guess one of the reasons these people and groups get into bed with right wing groups is because of their ability to amplify their voice and make them sound more important, popular and influential than they really are

My conclusion is that a group that has endorsed right wing conservative views, that is set up and part funded by right wing libertarian groups, that is predominantly heterosexual and has not yet got round to helping out the LGB community is not a group that is fighting for the rights of women and lesbians but is a group that is allowing itself to be used by the right to attack trans people and their community behind the shield of the Gender Critical movement.

As I have stated previously I think once you get past all the culture war stuff and the people using this subject for political capital then there are some real difficult and complex challenges to overcome around how both women's, trans and LBG rights can all be protected without one cancelling out another. I think there are some areas where this isn't fully possible so even more care, consideration and working together is needed to try and navigate through it but this cannot happen whilst the right use it as a political football to attack trans people and to attack the left politically.

Just to bring the conversation full circle you only have to take a quick look at what Glinner has posting since getting his Twitter account restored to see the hatred and vileness of him and his supporters