Ashes Thread 2023

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:06 pm

Forecast looks to have improved slightly for tomorrow now.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:17 pm

Is anyone else finding the term "Bazball" a bit cringey?

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:30 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:17 pm
Is anyone else finding the term "Bazball" a bit cringey?

Extremely

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:32 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:17 pm
Is anyone else finding the term "Bazball" a bit cringey?

Very much so.

Lead past 200.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:34 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:17 pm
Is anyone else finding the term "Bazball" a bit cringey?

Proper annoying isn’t it. I’m sure I read McCullum himself doesn’t like it.

Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:38 pm

BBC TMS mention it all the time which doesn't help

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:38 pm

Bairstow been given out lbw again and has reviewed again

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:40 pm

Out this time 196/5

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:41 pm

Stupid review

Conroysleftfoot · Post by **Conroysleftfoot** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:44 pm

Unless Stokes gets a big score the Aussies are going to go 1up in the series.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:45 pm

I think going after Nathan Lyon like that is very dumb

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:51 pm

Conroysleftfoot wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:44 pm
Unless Stokes gets a big score the Aussies are going to go 1up in the series.

Not sure

Jason Gillespie is adamant we are declaring around the 250 mark

Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:54 pm

Has any test team ever declared twice and lost?

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:54 pm

275 + has to be the target for us to have a chance now I’d think.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:55 pm

Think we are in big trouble now

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:56 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:51 pm
Not sure

Jason Gillespie is adamant we are declaring around the 250 mark

Don't think we'll be getting far.

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:56 pm

Stokes gone LBW, reviewed but gone with Umpire's Call.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:02 pm

Game on here.

Could really go either way, I wouldn’t write either side off.

alwaysaclaret · Post by **alwaysaclaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:03 pm

Can't work out why we're giving wickets away like toffee, I'm baffled, a win had gone at 4 down so from there imo you set up not to lose, it's committing hari kari almost giving the aussies a 1-0 lead, will be hard to pull back, we're never going to win 3 matches if they go 1 up and I feel that's what we'll need to do.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:05 pm

Heroics needed now.

Clive 1960 · Post by **Clive 1960** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:16 pm

It's been a decent game but declaring on day one with Root still there and hitting boundaries i still think was a big mistake.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:26 pm

That’s out and out cheating.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:28 pm

That might be the tin-hat on it!

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:28 pm

Another poor shot this time from Ali (unsurprising).

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:29 pm

We may limp to 250

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:31 pm

alwaysaclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:03 pm
Can't work out why we're giving wickets away like toffee, I'm baffled, a win had gone at 4 down so from there imo you set up not to lose, it's committing hari kari almost giving the aussies a 1-0 lead, will be hard to pull back, we're never going to win 3 matches if they go 1 up and I feel that's what we'll need to do.

According to the skipper, the result comes secondary to entering. I hope he doesn't really believe that.

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:31 pm

Clive 1960 wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:16 pm
It's been a decent game but declaring on day one with Root still there and hitting boundaries i still think was a big mistake.

We need to get used to it...... sometimes it'll work, other times it won't.....but at least it won't be boring

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:32 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:31 pm
According to the skipper, the result comes secondary to entering. I hope he doesn't really believe that.

I always found entering quite good fun

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:38 pm

250-60 will be dead 50/50 imo

Not into the premeditated sweeps to Lyon btw,

Love the aggression in going hard at it and being innovative with the field but there’s a fine line between that and just chucking your wicket away

ClaretLoup · Post by **ClaretLoup** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:42 pm

That funky first innings declaration is looking rather reckless now. With Root in full flow and two wickets in hand and the Aussie’s tongue hanging out another 50 runs were potentially available. That 50 runs is looking a very forlorn hope at the moment with only Jimmy to bat.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:53 pm

I like Robinson!

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:02 pm

Every time we get going Australia take a wicket!

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:03 pm

Nice first swing from Jimmy

Runs for a 4

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:04 pm

Stokes wouldn't have you lot anywhere near the England camp with all your negativity.

The Aussies will have to bat superbly to get these.

If they bat as slow as the first innings they will need 100 overs.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:06 pm

Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:31 pm
We need to get used to it...... sometimes it'll work, other times it won't.....but at least it won't be boring

That’s spot on. This is how we play and we have to get used to it. I like it. Ive Even got used to Muric playing it out.

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:10 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:06 pm
That’s spot on. This is how we play and we have to get used to it. I like it. Ive Even got used to Muric playing it out.

I was going to add exactly the same about muric....but thought I might get jumped on

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:20 pm

All out - set them a target of 281.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:21 pm

Is that the same as 2005?

StayingDown4Ever · Post by **StayingDown4Ever** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:21 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:20 pm
All out - set them a target of 281.

Are we going to be heroes and punish them?

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:23 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:21 pm
Is that the same as 2005?

I think you might be right, it was around that number

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:23 pm

Just checked, it was 282 needed in 2005.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:24 pm

First Test match i've been able to watch in Donkey's years.........brilliant stuff!
Australia will probably win this, but you never know.....early wickets needed.

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:26 pm

Broad will get Warner in the first 5 overs so that's will be one down

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:30 pm

This is set to be v interesting.
Which will come out on top?
England's revolutionary "Bazball" or Aussie's traditional grit and grind.
I think it will be tight but if Australia bat as determinedly as in the first innings then they should get home late in the day tomorrow.
I see that the computer makes it 56% Australia win and England 43%. That seems about right to me.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:32 pm

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:30 pm
This is set to be v interesting.
Which will come out on top?
England's revolutionary "Bazball" or Aussie's traditional grit and grind.
I think it will be tight but if Australia bat as determinedly as in the first innings then they should get home late in the day tomorrow.
I see that the computer makes it 56% Australia win and England 43%. That seems about right to me.

I’d think that 56/43 is about right. Atherton has just said he feels it should be the other way round.

Andreshotboots · Post by **Andreshotboots** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:46 pm

Theres a reason historically chasing in the 4th innings is very difficult.

For the TV viewers, you really don't see the wear and tear on a pitch and what effect that can have when you're trying to bat on it.

I think if we bowl well and take our chances we win by 30 plus runs.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:46 pm

First chance missed.

Bairstow has to take that.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:48 pm

How on earth has a ball gone between keeper & first slip without either moving? Keeper should be getting that.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:48 pm

How can a ball be edged between keeper and first slip and neither attempt it?

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:48 pm

Ha - said pretty much the same thing at the same time there CT