Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[boyyanno]

Esteve is definitely a talent. One thing I do think though is that we have a ceiling for what we'll sell our best players for in my opinion- it's a pretty outlandish statement but I just can't see us selling a player for 40m+. I think it's the next club in the chain that gets the big money.

Right now someone would have to offer 25m for me to sell, and I'd only sell because a lot of his value is still in potential. But ultimately I don't know if I think the model works if you identify them and move them on so quickly. Surely we need to add somthing, I'm not sure having a good season next year in the Champ gets him a big money move, THB is young, an u21 international (and captain) and been promoted twice on the spin, he's cost 20m.

I think it's likely that other clubs are interested in our players (if they are) because they smell a bargain.

[Woodleyclaret]

Selling on after 6months only works if (a) you get top money and (b) you have a seriously minted buyer who will stump up quickly and (c) you have a very good scouting network like Brighton to unearth these gems

[IanMcL]

Esteve is definitely a talent. One thing I do think though is that we have a ceiling for what we'll sell our best players for in my opinion- it's a pretty outlandish statement but I just can't see us selling a player for 40m+. I think it's the next club in the chain that gets the big money.

Right now someone would have to offer 25m for me to sell, and I'd only sell because a lot of his value is still in potential. But ultimately I don't know if I think the model works if you identify them and move them on so quickly. Surely we need to add somthing, I'm not sure having a good season next year in the Champ gets him a big money move, THB is young, an u21 international (and captain) and been promoted twice on the spin, he's cost 20m.

I think it's likely that other clubs are interested in our players (if they are) because they smell a bargain.

He is better than Keane at that age and certainly today's Keane.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Sadly this will be an upsetting summer on this thread until the end when we get some new players to replace the departed.

Berge, Trafford and Esteve could all go for £20m. But there may be sell on clauses so that could easily knock £5m off that. But still, with the Kompany fee that is £70m and probably balances our books. We will have a hell of a lot of good players left after that who, if we sell, we can reinvest.

We haven’t even got onto forwards yet, and as we know the young ones especially can cost a fortune.

The unknowns are the contractual clauses and release fees.

[NewClaret]

Esteve is definitely a talent. One thing I do think though is that we have a ceiling for what we'll sell our best players for in my opinion- it's a pretty outlandish statement but I just can't see us selling a player for 40m+. I think it's the next club in the chain that gets the big money.

Right now someone would have to offer 25m for me to sell, and I'd only sell because a lot of his value is still in potential. But ultimately I don't know if I think the model works if you identify them and move them on so quickly. Surely we need to add somthing, I'm not sure having a good season next year in the Champ gets him a big money move, THB is young, an u21 international (and captain) and been promoted twice on the spin, he's cost 20m.

I think it's likely that other clubs are interested in our players (if they are) because they smell a bargain.

Interesting post.

I agree with most of it but would add:

- I agree with the food chain part. That’ll have a few impacts both in terms of the plaudits our players get for their performances and in what clubs will expect to bid.

- That said, we have new owners now and we’ve only really seen them selling a profile of older player bought under Dyche. Actually, for a club many say are trying to adopt a model that profits from transfers, we haven’t really seen them selling that many. That’ll change this summer but it’ll be interesting to see how expectant they are to hold out now for the big fees vs being a club that sells potential on to the next rung of club.

- Just a feeling but I think Pace have adopted this whole strategy of buying young players because they think they carry a bigger value than the ones who have gone before.

- If Pace and the board are wanting to get successful at this model they need to get progressively better at selling, so it’ll be interesting to see how expectant they are this year vs last summer.

- It’ll only take one big sale and it’ll change expectations from other clubs of how we value our players. And I expect Pace and the board will get an appetite for the big deals very quickly.

[bumba]

Why would they get any deductions? They haven't been charged with anything

Was reported yesterday that Everton and Leicester may start the season with points deductions

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun ... rules/amp/

[JimmyRobbo]

Interesting post.
- It’ll only take one big sale and it’ll change expectations from other clubs of how we value our players. And I expect Pace and the board will get an appetite for the big deals very quickly.

This is exactly what will change perception and future market values. Will that piece fall into place? Who knows but it is the exciting part for investors.

[burnley007]

I never thought Steve would go.
That would be a disaster

[NewClaret]

I never thought Steve would go.
That would be a disaster

I think what would be a disaster about it is that he was one of the few who looked quite comfortable at that level, so losing him would mean we have to replace him if we go up again.

I was very confident if we kept Kompany we’d make a good fist of it this year regardless of selling a few. Now we’ve lost him and the future is unknown from a managerial perspective, I’d like to see us hold on to the core of our team more than ever.

I think Alan needs to consider the impact of losing a proven manager at this level and make sure he gives them the absolute best team he can, because even a poor/average manager will be bailed out if he’s given the best players in the league.

[Woodleyclaret]

Harrison Reed at Fulham
Good combatstive cm worth a punt as he doest always start.

[CoolClaret]

I'm all for selling players when the price is right and I feel that they may have 'outgrown' the club for want of a better term.

Signing half a squad and your best players every summer ends only one way though - disaster. I don't care who you are as a club, a revolving door on the dressing room isn't good for anyone - even if it looks to be good for a season or two.

Esteve for me would have to be silly money. He's got two more years here imo, one for promotion and another hopefully consolidating in the PL, then we should reload.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I'm all for selling players when the price is right and I feel that they may have 'outgrown' the club for want of a better term.

Signing half a squad and your best players every summer ends only one way though - disaster. I don't care who you are as a club, a revolving door on the dressing room isn't good for anyone - even if it looks to be good for a season or two.

Esteve for me would have to be silly money. He's got two more years here imo, one for promotion and another hopefully consolidating in the PL, then we should reload.

I think you’re looking at it from an idealist point of view.

How many CBs do we have now? I think we have 7 on the books. It’s likely we will try to move on at least 3 this window.

Not sure how many are sellable right now but i would hazard a guess that the only three that will definitely have interest will be Beyer, Esteve and McNally

[CoolClaret]

I think you’re looking at it from an idealist point of view.

How many CBs do we have now? I think we have 7 on the books. It’s likely we will try to move on at least 3 this window.

Not sure how many are sellable right now but i would hazard a guess that the only three that will definitely have interest will be Beyer, Esteve and McNally

What's idealist about what I wrote? Anything but really. Idealist is thinking that having a cohesive, close-knit squad can be achieved by treating the team as though it's Football Manager!

Of course we have to trim the fat this summer, especially with players that are surplus to requirements but signing Esteve/others and then flogging him/them 6 months later is spinning our wheels at best.

[123EasyasBFC]

I think you’re looking at it from an idealist point of view.

How many CBs do we have now? I think we have 7 on the books. It’s likely we will try to move on at least 3 this window.

Not sure how many are sellable right now but i would hazard a guess that the only three that will definitely have interest will be Beyer, Esteve and McNally

Ekdal will have interest to across the likes of Turkish teams and will be relatively cheap

[Woodleyclaret]

We move on McNally Twine Obafemi Trafford Tressor Roberts that should allow some incoming
Conway at Bristol and Whittaker at Plymouth ideal purchases with sell on potential.

[Newcastleclaret93]

We move on McNally Twine Obafemi Trafford Tressor Roberts that should allow some incoming
Conway at Bristol and Whittaker at Plymouth ideal purchases with sell on potential.

I said it 6 months ago but I reckon we could see double figures leave this window potentially even close to 15

[Ric_C]

Hopefully Pace and co will have learned a lot from the last few windows, as its all well and good stockpiling players, but not good for squad unity when half of them don't play and/or are frozen out.

[kenyon6923]

I said it 6 months ago but I reckon we could see double figures leave this window potentially even close to 15

easier said than done, agents/players under contract will only move if everything is in their favour - we don't want them not the other way round. Why do you think there was so many players on loans last season ? why did we not sell 1-2 ? because we are not in charge once we want to get rid of a contracted player and what's the worst case scenario for a unwanted contracted player ? they get paid until there contract runs out then go on the market as a free transfer.

[CrosspoolClarets]

One thing I would say is that if a player signs and gets a decent pay rise when we are heavily odds on for the drop, they can hardly (and esteve may not) demand a transfer when we do drop. Entirely plausible clubs sniff around but we keep the player who doesn’t cause a fuss. This thing about not stopping players from moving to a higher level is fine, but after relegation there has to be a limit to it too.

[NewClaret]

I'm all for selling players when the price is right and I feel that they may have 'outgrown' the club for want of a better term.

Signing half a squad and your best players every summer ends only one way though - disaster. I don't care who you are as a club, a revolving door on the dressing room isn't good for anyone - even if it looks to be good for a season or two.

Esteve for me would have to be silly money. He's got two more years here imo, one for promotion and another hopefully consolidating in the PL, then we should reload.

I agree.

I know a lot will say things like “Berge has earned a move, he’s going to go, he’s too good for the Championship, etc”… and they may well be proved right, but my slightly different view is that these players signed a year ago. They made a commitment to the club then knowing relegation was a possible outcome. If the club want/need them to stay they should be prepared to and be professional about it.

Although I wouldn’t say Berge did this, I’d say the squad as a whole let us down with many of their performances so in some ways I think they owe the fans too, although not as much as the board who bought the players and defined or agreed to the strategy of signing youth which ultimately cost our position in the league.

I accept we likely have some financial pressures but if what VL said is true (‘that it’s a completely different financial this time with less pressure to sell’) then we need to dig in and hold on to players to give ourselves the best chance of getting up and avoiding last summers transfer business being a complete waste.

[NewClaret]

I said it 6 months ago but I reckon we could see double figures leave this window potentially even close to 15

Really depends to me whether that interview with Stuart Hunt that we’re looking at buying teams to help develop our players is true or pie in the sky.

I think that might be our strategy, but if not I expect a lot of loans but only once the new manager has assessed the squad and likely done pre-season.

[Taffy on the wing]

If we were to sell Berge.......i can't see us getting anyone as good to replace him & he still has room to improve.
Assuming we win promotion we'll need to build around him.
30 million at least.....midfielders like him are like hens teeth.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Really depends to me whether that interview with Stuart Hunt that we’re looking at buying teams to help develop our players is true or pie in the sky.

I think that might be our strategy, but if not I expect a lot of loans but only once the new manager has assessed the squad and likely done pre-season.

Potentially but surely the whole point of that strategy is for the players to develop into first team players or sell them for a profit.

Having a group of players that are stagnating in our squad is not productive either way.

I can still see the following leaving either on loan or permanently: at least 2 x keepers, 3 x CBs, 1 full back, 2 x CMs, 3 x wingers, 1 x striker

[NewClaret]

If we were to sell Berge.......i can't see us getting anyone as good to replace him & he still has room to improve.
Assuming we win promotion we'll need to build around him.
30 million at least.....midfielders like him are like hens teeth.

Spot on.

I think what Pace does about Berge this summer will be a good sign of his ambitions.

[theduke]

Was reported yesterday that Everton and Leicester may start the season with points deductions

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun ... rules/amp/

Aboslutely impossible. Everton haven't been charged with any breaches.

Leicester HAVE

[RicardoMontalban]

Aboslutely impossible. Everton haven't been charged with any breaches.

Leicester HAVE

June 30 marks the end of the club's financial, which means owner Farhad Moshiri has only 16 DAYS to sell players and balance the books.

Failure to do that will lead to another charge being levelled the Merseyseders' way and administration.

That would produce an automatic nine-point deduction for the 2024/25 season and give Sean Dyches' troops a second mountain to climb in as many seasons.

Improbable, maybe. There’s a few variables to play out there. But I’d suggest not impossible.

[Claret Toni]

One thing I would say is that if a player signs and gets a decent pay rise when we are heavily odds on for the drop, they can hardly (and esteve may not) demand a transfer when we do drop. Entirely plausible clubs sniff around but we keep the player who doesn’t cause a fuss. This thing about not stopping players from moving to a higher level is fine, but after relegation there has to be a limit to it too.

Just thinking that Wout came mid-season and demanded away after relegation. It became clear that he had an agreement with the chairman for that to happen.

Not impossible that the same scenario exists for Esteve, but he's not shouting it from the rooftops,

[theduke]

June 30 marks the end of the club's financial, which means owner Farhad Moshiri has only 16 DAYS to sell players and balance the books.

Failure to do that will lead to another charge being levelled the Merseyseders' way and administration.

That would produce an automatic nine-point deduction for the 2024/25 season and give Sean Dyches' troops a second mountain to climb in as many seasons.

Improbable, maybe. There’s a few variables to play out there. But I’d suggest not impossible.

Everton won't be going into Admin, and the Everton Journos have said they are fine with PSR this season and DONT need to sell anyone by the end of June

[RicardoMontalban]

Everton won't be going into Admin, and the Everton Journos have said they are fine with PSR this season and DONT need to sell anyone by the end of June

Not suggesting for a moment that admin is a certainty. Just saying its avoidance is also not a certainty, and no amount of block capitals will alter that.

The Athletic have just published news that the 777 takeover is confirmed as off and that is, at best, another protracting factor. The article also reiterates that sales are probably needed this summer.

The S*n article, at least the bit associated with Everton, is hyperbolic speculation befitting the paper, but there’s enough uncertainty to suggest that admin as a worst case scenario is still a possibility this season, however unlikely.

The couple of bluenoses I’m friendly with and have spoken to are certainly less confident than you. But we make our own judgements on the information we read.

[boyyanno]

Just thinking that Wout came mid-season and demanded away after relegation. It became clear that he had an agreement with the chairman for that to happen.

Not impossible that the same scenario exists for Esteve, but he's not shouting it from the rooftops,

I personally think that the signs have been there that we have been advertising ourselves as a platform for players to come here and use us as a stepping stone under ALK.

Cornet and Weghorst both examples, was Collins also an ALK signing?

It will be interesting to see who does leave this window. That being said I'm not necessarily saying it's a bad thing, it's possible that the only way we could/can attract players of a certain calibre is by doing it this way.

I think the likes of Amdouni, Tresor, Esteve, Odobert all fit the kind of profile where that could be the case.

[theduke]

No chance of Admin, its not even practical. They havent missed any payments, not in any trouble with HMRC. No warning flags at all. And remember Everton broke PSR due to the interest on loans, that they made an error on (they should have used it for the stadium), if they've gone back and done that then they won't break PSR and don't need to sell anyone.

The admin talk is coming from one Guy the ESK who is involved with a rival bid and wants to get the club on the cheap

[NewClaret]

No chance of Admin, its not even practical. They havent missed any payments, not in any trouble with HMRC. No warning flags at all. And remember Everton broke PSR due to the interest on loans, that they made an error on (they should have used it for the stadium), if they've gone back and done that then they won't break PSR and don't need to sell anyone.

The admin talk is coming from one Guy the ESK who is involved with a rival bid and wants to get the club on the cheap

One way or the other - admin and points deductions or not - they’re in a hell of a mess unless someone very rich comes along and sharpish.

In respect to PSR I’m not following it closely enough I’d heard that they’re £90m in the hole already on their 3 year cycle… and given they were borrowing £15-20m a MONTH(!) last year to fulfil their commitments (not all of it was for stadium costs, apparently), to the layman it’s hard to work out how they haven’t racked up another £15m to put them in PSR points deduction.

You might be right, but as I said, they’re in a hell of a mess and must be praying for a knight in shining armour.

[blatherwickstattoos]

Ohare swap deal I’ve just heard off a decent source

[NewClaret]

Ohare swap deal I’ve just heard off a decent source

He’s out of contract so that’s duff info I’m afraid.

[DCWat]

Ohare swap deal I’ve just heard off a decent source

Callum O’Hare is out of contract, isn’t he?

[blatherwickstattoos]

Callum O’Hare is out of contract, isn’t he?

I’m not sure. Just saying the rumour I’ve heard. I did think this but the guy was telling me they’ve triggered a years option on him

[morninbob]

Ohare swap deal I’ve just heard off a decent source

Swap for what?

[Woodleyclaret]

McNally highly rated by Coventry

[123EasyasBFC]

Ohare swap deal I’ve just heard off a decent source

Your not at it again with the ‘I’ve just heard’ stuff again are you hahaha, everyone knows O’hare is out of contract

[NewClaret]

Re: O’Hare, I expect he’ll end up at Leicester. Midlands, etc.

I think he’d be a great signing for us as feel we will miss JBG and his killer pass this year. He could be the man and scores goals too. Good knowledge of the league as well.

[blatherwickstattoos]

Your not at it again with the ‘I’ve just heard’ stuff again are you hahaha, everyone knows O’hare is out of contract

Sorry for commenting on a rumours thread.

[Kevwando]

Ohare swap deal I’ve just heard off a decent source

Oh dear

[NewClaret]

Oh dear

I know we need to shift a few but swapping a player for someone out of contract is surely not necessary

[burnmark]

Vigouroux could return to Leyton Orient - Nixon

[gandhisflipflop]

It’s incredible that we could have any transfer rumours when we don’t even know who the manager is going to be yet. O’hare is clearly highly regarded but will he fit into the new managers plans?

[Quickenthetempo]

Vigouroux could return to Leyton Orient - Nixon

Was that the extent of his Sunday news on us?

[burnmark]

Was that the extent of his Sunday news on us?

Bellamy having supporters for the manager’s job inside the club.

[NewClaret]

It’s incredible that we could have any transfer rumours when we don’t even know who the manager is going to be yet. O’hare is clearly highly regarded but will he fit into the new managers plans?

It wouldn’t shock me if part of the deal is actually that they work with what they’re given.

I’m not as convinced as others that Kompany were the only voice behind all our signings. I think the club will’ve developed a recruitment model that they’re quite happy with (despite relegation) and probably a plan for this summer that they expect to enact regardless of manager.

[jojomk1]

It’s incredible that we could have any transfer rumours when we don’t even know who the manager is going to be yet. O’hare is clearly highly regarded but will he fit into the new managers plans?

O'Hare will not be coming to Burnley

He will have the pick of a number of Premier League clubs come the end of the month

[Darnhill Claret]

They had accepted that relegation was the likely outcome and were adapting plans for this coming season, on that scenario, then Bayern came a knocking. That is why they were not looking to sack VK as relegation was always seen as a possible outcome which might have to be dealt with.