The SUPER CLARETS vs The Baggies - Match Thread

[Dark Cloud]

Yes so decent , hadn’t won in 10 away games and lost to Plymouth and Derby in that run .

I'm only going off what I saw tonight. They looked like they'd done their homework and they were pretty good at nullifying us and that takes organisation and fitness. Edwards, who is our talisman these days and the keys to tight defences barely got a look in second half. Tbf, i did see the away game at their place and tbh, they weren't very good and we definitely should have won that one.

[Enola Gay]

I've mentioned before that we too often come down on the wrong side of the risk/reward equation and this was another one.

If we want promotion we're gonna have to go out and win it Scottie, we aren't going to do it on artistic impression.

[CoolClaret]

If we were trying to win a game of football

Brownhill and Laurent closer to him should he win it or lose it for the sepcnd ball, the Widemen narrower looking to run beyond him or drop
Into pockets should it get flicked on. Maybe even a manager that actually occasionally tries to play 2 up top can cause different problems for a back 3 /5 wouldnt have taken flemming off in the first place

Do you honestly believe the team & SP wasn't trying to win that?

[CrosspoolClarets]

We are third in the league, 24 unbeaten and i still would dance a jig of great delight if Scott Parker left tomorrow. The thought of watching another season of his football philosophy brings me close to giving up my season ticket. For me it’s not drawing with WBA wrc it’s the way we go about it. I watched closely last 10mins as our wide men hugged the touch line and Barnes stood on his own surrounded by WBA players in the middle. We passed it out sidewards backwards and hoof. No chance and no bodies around Barnes.

Then as we crept to the end of injury time we had a last chance to throw bodies into the box, Esteve went to go forward and was sent back (despite no west brom player being forward.

The rigidity and must not lose b******s is absolutely killing me in these games.

2 wins at home v teams in the top 10… 1 when cov had no manager and rhe other sheff wed… its painful

Ditto. Score early we win. Don’t, and we try not to lose. It is soul destroying. As you rightly say, the tactics are obvious to those of us long in the tooth, we see players being told not to take risks.

It may be right to do so, with these players, but I don’t have to agree and don’t have to like it, the point is that it makes us ponder not renewing after many years, which is terrible. The Edwards signing has made me delay that thinking, there is a chance we may be exciting enough.

[Cooclaret]

Appreciate that.

As for me - I'm utterly sick of certain toxic posters who post nothing but agenda-fuelled toxic negativity at every turn, little to no nuance about any situation and ruin threads so yes, gave it back.

Hypocrite: someone who says they have particular moral beliefs but behaves in way that shows these are not sincere:

Example

He's a hypocrite - he's always lecturing other people on their agenda fuelled toxic negativity, but does exactly the same.

[Colburn_Claret]

Won the last two home games 4-0, was it ‘cowardly’ then?

Tbf we played nothing like the last 2 home games. It's not the result, it's the performance. We didn't show anywhere near enough nous or determination in a must win game.
I'm not taking anything away from West Brom, no games are gimmees, and they are a well organised side, but how can they start quickly and we have to take the shock of going behind to wake up. That shouldn't be acceptable. It's what we were doing early in the season, gifting the opposition the initiative, and once you start on the back foot it's so much harder to turn it round.
Cowardly is harsh on the players, but I think it's a fair criticism of SP for not telling the team to move it quicker, for not making any difference in the second half. The substitutions didn't change the game one jot.

[BurnleyFC]

Its not an terrible result but Parker makes comments about putting the pedal to the floor then makes the same over cautious like for like substitutions when there's 3pts to be won.

They say doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity, well insanity let me introduce you to Scott Parkers substitutions

God forbid we actually try and play two up top at home in what are fast becoming must win games.

[CoolClaret]

Hypocrite: someone who says they have particular moral beliefs but behaves in way that shows these are not sincere:

Example

He's a hypocrite - he's always lecturing other people on their agenda fuelled toxic negativity, but does exactly the same.

If you'd like to point to my agenda fuelled toxic negativity then be my guest

[Casper2]

I'm only going off what I saw tonight. They looked like they'd done their homework and they were pretty good at nullifying us and that takes organisation and fitness. Edwards, who is our talisman these days and the keys to tight defences barely got a look in second half. Tbf, i did see the away game at their place and tbh, they weren't very good and we definitely should have won that one.

We should have won that one didn’t we score a perfectly good goal which was ruled out

[Murger]

It was back to early season draws. That 2nd half was such a poor performance. Would it kill Parker to actually try something different and try and go for the win?

[Roosterbooster]

You do realise he ran after him though.. it wasn't just a trip like a normal foul. I think it was more CJ's intention that did it for him. Whether that warrants a red is another matter.

There is no running involved whatsoever

[Lakeland Claret]

Sorry I think you’ll find that the refs report will say violent conduct.

But a trip isn't violent so that makes it a crass decision especially seconds after the whistle is blown .

[dvalley69]

There is no running involved whatsoever

A few yards,but there was. Their guy had got away from him and CJER is clearly behind running after him to then trip him up, intentionally I may add.

[TsarBomba]

Do you honestly believe the team & SP wasn't trying to win that?

What did we do in that second half to win the game, seriously?

I appreciate the counter argument that WBA are a decent side, but there was nothing in that second half performance to evidence a desire, and I mean a real desire, to go and win the game.

No shots on target, like for like subs, and I can’t agree that we tried to move the ball quicker.

We have the second highest amount of draws, and 11 0-0’s. 11 0-0’s!! It’s laughable. That clearly indicates a mentality and set up that first and foremost is not to lose, and tonight was a continuation of that.

We’re 37 games in, and this approach currently has us in 3rd. We’re fortunate Sheffield United have been docked 2 points, and we have a game against them coming up, otherwise we would be needing favours.

It’s **** or bust for Parker with this approach, and it’s an approach we don’t need to take.

[Cooclaret]

If you'd like to point to my agenda fuelled toxic negativity then be my guest

I don’t need to, it’s there for all to see. Last season you and you ‘I’ve worked in football finance’ buddy were in full swing at ANYONE who questioned your collective views on;

A) Alan Pace
B) Kompany
C) Trafford

[Cooclaret]

There is no running involved whatsoever

He purposefully moved towards him, and then kicked out at a leg.

It’s violet conduct. It’s a red card.

If they’d stayed in the same space and traded blows, yellow would’ve been right as a reactionary response.

[KlyBfc]

Do you honestly believe the team & SP wasn't trying to win that?

I honestly believe the team stick to the patterns of play and tactics they have been drilled into. I also believe Scott Parkers philosophy is that, if they play his way and stick to his rigid plan, that they will get enough pts over a season to achieve the goal. He is happy to stick to his cautious approach believing after his previous successes he will be proved right.

There is little to no bravery ever shown either in tactics or in subs. Its like for like, tiny tweeks. It’s over cautious and risk avoiding at home and i find that painful

[CoolClaret]

What did we do in that second half to win the game, seriously?

I appreciate the counter argument that WBA are a decent side, but there was nothing in that second half performance to evidence a desire, and I mean a real desire, to go and win the game.

Touches in opposition box, final third entries, players' average positions.

Foster doesn't pull up, he gets on the end of that ball from Pires and we all go home laughing.

The other draws etc yes, some are frustrating and I attribute them to mainly building from the back and also not having the players available to convert this possession to goals (seriously, we just do not have players with a pedigree of scoring on the books).

The Baggies also haven't lost against a side in the top 4 I believe.

Plenty left to play for - on to the next one.

[CoolClaret]

I don’t need to, it’s there for all to see. Last season you and you ‘I’ve worked in football finance’ buddy were in full swing at ANYONE who questioned your collective views on;

A) Alan Pace
B) Kompany
C) Trafford

No idea who you're on about.

Alan Pace has taken Burnley backwards and will change my opinion if/when the evidence changes.
VK? Took liberties and had no interest in doing what was right for BFC on the big stage (you also had a right go at him calling for his head!)
I gave Kudos for traff when he played well, didn't think he did often enough to warrant his selection and have supported him this year.

That's also not 'agenda fuelled toxic negativity', just fyi.

[TsarBomba]

Touches in opposition box, final third entries, players' average positions.

Foster doesn't pull up, he gets on the end of that ball from Pires and we all go home laughing.

The other draws etc yes, some are frustrating and I attribute them to mainly building from the back and also not having the players available to convert this possession to goals (seriously, we just do not have players with a pedigree of scoring on the books).

The Baggies also haven't lost against a side in the top 4 I believe.

Plenty left to play for - on to the next one.

We had 7 touches all second half in WBA’s box..

[Claretmatt4]

Drawing 1-1 v WBA is not a bad result, the ones that will cost us are:

Oxford
Pompey
Hull
PNE x2
Derby

Failing to win those games has made games like tonight have more pressure. Thankfully it's stoll in our hands after Bristols heroics. My blade mate doesn't think they will make it either, so they aren't exactly confident... UTC

[martin_p]

It’s always the same on here if we don’t win, the extreme reactions are just depressing. It wasn’t a great performance in the second half but the stop/start nature made it very difficult to get any rhythm going. But on to the next one, it’s still in our own hands.

[martin_p]

Only just seen the red card. Came away from the match thinking CJ must have lamped him given the reaction but now I’ve seen it, red card? Really? We’ve got to put in an appeal for that.

[bumba]

Can’t believe fans are leaving

Was you on the Turf? If so it's strange to comment on fans leaving on a midweek night match when your sat with your head glued to your phone

[jojomk1]

i look at Worrall and Sonne
And just pray we don't get any injuries at the back
Still not convinced with Flemming up top but hope to be proved wrong
Hannibal and Brownhill very similar in styles when going forward but one is going to have to sit alongside Cullen whilst the other plays the more forward role - presume Brownhill will step back which is a shame with his goal scoring form at this time

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but you could see the above happening before the game started
Not an injury but a childish trip from ER now gives us little scope at the back in the next few games
Flemming did little apart from scoring after a GK howler - anyone convinced that he is a No 9
Hannibal was pretty much ineffective and negated the attributes of our leading scorer who was forced to play too deep to accomodate him
It's just a shame that whilst Parker will serve a touchline ban he will still be picking the side, tactics and substitutions
Draw No 15 - and, very likely, it won't be the last

[THEWELLERNUT70]

It was hilarious to see the usual dullards seemingly forget Sheffield Utd kicked off 15 minutes later when at Burnleys full-time whistle they couldn't wait to pile in because we didn't win

[martin_p]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but you could see the above happening before the game started
Not an injury but a childish trip from ER now gives us little scope at the back in the next few games
Flemming did little apart from scoring after a GK howler - anyone convinced that he is a No 9
Hannibal was pretty much ineffective and negated the attributes of our leading scorer who was forced to play too deep to accomodate him
It's just a shame that whilst Parker will serve a touchline ban he will still be picking the side, tactics and substitutions
Draw No 15 - and, very likely, it won't be the last

I hope it’s not the last. We aren’t going to win our last nine games (and neither will Sheffield United or Leeds) so drawing rather than losing could well be crucial.