Would you vote the same again?

[Falcon]

Not sure where to put this so I'll chuck it in here:

I had the dubious pleasure of being in a room with Nigel Farage yesterday where he took part in a 'post brexit future' debate. He's a very good public speaker. I got the impression that if he wanted to argue pro-EU he'd be just as good at putting arguments together in his soundbite-y and frivolous way.

Most interesting was his assertion at the end of the debate that he doesn't care how much it costs to the UK, it would still be worth it to leave within the 2 years accorded by Article 50 no matter the deal or lack of a deal available. It's not about the pounds and pence for him, it's about the principle, which you can't really argue with. If you're not fussed if we benefit or lose out financially from EU membership and you just don't like it as a concept, then people can argue with you all they want - it won't change your mind.

For the record (and to get back on topic), I voted Remain last year and would do so again today.

[Spiral]

I agree about no deal, but there can't really be no deal, because for a start it would cost them 100 billion initially and in the long term destroy loads of British & European companies and if you look at the quote after yours about Multi nationals they wouldn't 'allow' it to happen.
The term 'allow' leads us to a greater issue regarding Sovereignty and Democracy, and brings me back to be careful what you wish for, is the EU worse than the Soviet Union, no, is it worse than Globalization Controlled by banking and Multi nationals, no.
The EU is not the devil, but is clearly starting to be affected and controlled by these forces, and the effects are starting to show. The Euro was creating havoc, Greece seemed like a Guinea Pig for rendering a country unable to support itself, and if it suited for example the United States for Turkey to be in Europe as a sweetener for obstruction to Russia it would be in, we couldn't stop it, how could Greece object if offered a bailout.
I'm starting to sound like a Conspiracy theorists, but we are all pretty sure that wars have been fought in the name of oil and we know it is not the banks that are paying the price for the banking crash, that was not a crash but a finding out of false wealth creation that is now being paid for by austerity.
I voted for Brexit, do i think a Tory government will care for the British people more than The European Union, again no, but I think it, the EU, is becoming so much more than a trading organisation, Human Rights and Workers Rights, social issue great, but becoming a dumping ground for the carnage of oil & power wars in the Middle East is a disastrous course, Europe, us included is to blame for much of what is and has gone on from Iraq to Afghanistan to Libya to Syria even if a lot is only by association to the Bloody Americans.
The Americans ban the sorts of people that make up these Refugees and Europe is flooded with people that will find themselves dumped into the worst areas of the worst towns, mostly become impoverished but within sight of some obscene wealth within a country that they will be then bred and brought up to blame for their plight.
Yes we need to stop supplying arms to Saudi Arabia, Yes we need to stop deposing dictators and then leaving civil wars to break out,
Will a Tory government do all this NO,
Brexit is our route back to our full Parliamentary Democracy and we can then start to unilaterally effect our impact on the world, rather than being dragged along.
Yes we need to trade with our European neighbors but we need to get off the merry go round first.

I don't know what your voting intentions are in a few weeks time, Bleeding, but SO much of what you say above is aligned with Jeremy Corbyn.

It's remarkable how many leave voters (I know plenty personally) share similar thoughts to you but detest Corbyn to the extent that they are going to vote in a party whose policies, track record and historic behaviour is antithetical to their worldview. Such is the power of propaganda, I suppose.

[Spiral]

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[dsr]

I don't know what your voting intentions are in a few weeks time, Bleeding, but SO much of what you say above is aligned with Jeremy Corbyn.

It's remarkable how many leave voters (I know plenty personally) share similar thoughts to you but detest Corbyn to the extent that they are going to vote in a party whose policies, track record and historic behaviour is antithetical to their worldview. Such is the power of propaganda, I suppose.

Probably they don't believe he can do what he says. I've had phone calls that tell me I can make an absolute fortune on a cheap and low risk investment. Those phone calls' promises coincide exactly with what I would like to do, but I still didn't "vote" for them - because I didn't believe them.

Loads of people believe in socialist ideals, but they look at all the attempts to put them into practice and decide ideals are not enough.

[Spiral]

In my opinion (take it or leave it, I guess) I see a cognitive bias, a logical misstep so to speak, in rejecting 'socialist' policy on the grounds of its 'workability' (or unworkability, as peddled by partisan sections of the media) while endorsing neoliberal policy (oftentimes euphemistically labelled 'centrist') that tangibly, albeit unintentionally, works against those same people (low wage, low skill, low asset).

Trust is important, though. I agree. I just find it odd that people who cynically complain about politicians are often the same people who also see fit to complain that Corbyn doesn't play the game well enough.

None of this matters, really. I can't see a Labour victory. I'm just thinking out loud at this point!