Next manager

[HahaYeah]

Carlos Corberan has an assistant Jorge Alarcón who has been with him at a few clubs, and another assistant Michael Hefele who was with him at Huddersfield.

Ruud Van Nistelrooy apparently fell out with his assistants at PSV, there were also reports that he fell out with players over tactics and training.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... e-30092271

[Wile E Coyote]

Exactly. Dyche must have spent most of his career in the lower 2 leagues (I'm presuming he had a few seasons in the Championship).

John, are you saying you would rather employ a man with low level playing career, and second tier management experience over manager with knowledge of successful teams, cupboards full of trophies, scores of international caps?

Im not suggesting it can't work, but with those two scenarios, it should be obvious who stands the better chance of ensuring a best outcome for a club. It's an unknown yes, but surely the man with the wealth of experience should get the job.

[Boss Hogg]

Give me a Chris Waddle over an Arsene Wenger any day

[Hedontplayforyou]

If Ruud fell out with his assistant , then he wouldn’t necessarily have a ready made one to bring with him…..tie that in to the assistant story

[ClaretTony]

I know that, but I expressed a preference based on those attributes, plus a reluctance to have us coached by a lesser talent in the game .
I could reel off a list of top players who flopped as coaches, but Im certain most fans would opt for a man with a proven track record in the game.

I’d opt for someone with a proven track record as a manager, not a player. My personal choice on day one was Moyes for that very reason but he was unattainable. To get someone who has just had three good seasons in the Championship would be perfect for me. We need a good manager and not necessarily someone who has been a good player.

[ClaretTony]

Give me a Chris Waddle over an Arsene Wenger any day

Absolutely. Or a Mourinho or even a Ferguson.

[HahaYeah]

If Ruud fell out with his assistant , then he wouldn’t necessarily have a ready made one to bring with him…..tie that in to the assistant story

Well exactly.

[ClaretTony]

John, are you saying you would rather employ a man with low level playing career, and second tier management experience over manager with knowledge of successful teams, cupboards full of trophies, scores of international caps?

Im not suggesting it can't work, but with those two scenarios, it should be obvious who stands the better chance of ensuring a best outcome for a club. It's an unknown yes, but surely the man with the wealth of experience should get the job.

Scores of international caps doesn’t mean good manager. The first three players to get 100 caps for England were Billy Wright, Bobby Charlton & Bobby Moore. All three were flops as managers.

I’d take a man with good management experience any day of the week. Are you suggesting you would take a Waddle over a Dyche?

[Wile E Coyote]

Scores of international caps doesn’t mean good manager. The first three players to get 100 caps for England were Billy Wright, Bobby Charlton & Bobby Moore. All three were flops as managers.

I’d take a man with good management experience any day of the week. Are you suggesting you would take a Waddle over a Dyche?

You cant cite that as an example. Its only with hindsight you know waddle failed. Others elsewhere havent. In addition, we were discussing a specific coach , and one with limited experience. Its never a black and white issue either, waddle was on a hiding to nothing here given our lowly status. Several other good players have fallen foul of hideous regimes at their clubs when they were appointed manager.
I would have liked David Moyes too, but Its fairly simple to choose a top ex player over someone who hasnt even good a substantial management record behind him . Are you saying you would hire corberan before frank lampard ?

[ClaretTony]

You cant cite that as an example. Its only with hindsight you know waddle failed. Others elsewhere havent. In addition, we were discussing a specific coach , and one with limited experience. Its never a black and white issue either, waddle was on a hiding to nothing here given our lowly status. Several other good players have fallen foul of hideous regimes at their clubs when they were appointed manager.
I would have liked David Moyes too, but Its fairly simple to choose a top ex player over someone who hasnt even good a substantial management record behind him . Are you saying you would hire corberan before frank lampard ?

I would appoint Corberan ahead of Lampard. He improved Huddersfield and got them to within two poor VAR decisions of the Premier League and he’s improved West Brom.

Lampard did ok with Derby for a year and got them into the play offs where they’d been the year before. I do think often that managers fail when they have players who weren’t as good a player as they were.

It does seem as though our ownership group want a big name but I want someone who I think is going to be a good manager at this level and I think Corberan is.

[123EasyasBFC]

I’d opt for someone with a proven track record as a manager, not a player. My personal choice on day one was Moyes for that very reason but he was unattainable. To get someone who has just had three good seasons in the Championship would be perfect for me. We need a good manager and not necessarily someone who has been a good player.

I can’t think why anyone wouldn’t want corberan, got to play off final with Huddersfield team that should have been nowhere near play offs and then he left because they could t back him. Almost got WBA to play offs from pretty much bottom of league and then last season got them to the playoffs and lost to the team that won it and had a good few players who had just spent a lot of time in the prem.

Surely a club like Burnley is his natural progression

[Penwortham_Claret]

If we have interviewed OGS (which the voting doesn’t suggest we have) I think he’s the type of manager that turns Pace’s head.

[ClaretTony]

I can’t think why anyone wouldn’t want corberan, got to play off final with Huddersfield team that should have been nowhere near play offs and then he left because they could t back him. Almost got WBA to play offs from pretty much bottom of league and then last season got them to the playoffs and lost to the team that won it and had a good few players who had just spent a lot of time in the prem.

Surely a club like Burnley is his natural progression

We all have differing views but I’m very much with you on Corberan.

[JohnDearyMe]

John, are you saying you would rather employ a man with low level playing career, and second tier management experience over manager with knowledge of successful teams, cupboards full of trophies, scores of international caps?

Im not suggesting it can't work, but with those two scenarios, it should be obvious who stands the better chance of ensuring a best outcome for a club. It's an unknown yes, but surely the man with the wealth of experience should get the job.

Honestly, their playing career wouldn't influence me

[Vim Fuego]

Page 76 and tick tock, tick tock

Jaw grinding stuff, yet not one inspiring name

We did have one decent and loyal manager that knew what he was doing, but chose to pot him some time back

[123EasyasBFC]

We all have differing views but I’m very much with you on Corberan.

If we aren’t going off name he’s 100% the most current manager I would want. Originally cooper but as soon as he was off the table corner an over rosenior, Parker or Lampard every day of the week.

But I do also think with how much control kompany had and with how much was changed to his image, Moyes would be the standout to come in and have the experience to fix it all

[Wile E Coyote]

Differing opinions are fine, lets just hope we get someone in who gets the team and fans fired up again, and has some staying power , and relishes the opportunity to manage Burnley. UTC

[ClaretTony]

Differing opinions are fine, lets just hope we get someone in who gets the team and fans fired up again, and has some staying power , and relishes the opportunity to manage Burnley. UTC

I think the new manager when he arrives will find a dressing room in need of repair. He needs to get them ALL onside and working as a team again.

[Quicknick]

Moyes for me, but given he isn't available, Corberan for all the reasons stated above.

[Juan Tanamera]

You know that he was the first one to mention both of them weeks ago?

I could have mentioned them weeks ago and I work for the Ministry of The Bleeding Obvious.

[Nonayforever]

Page 76 and tick tock, tick tock

Jaw grinding stuff, yet not one inspiring name

We did have one decent and loyal manager that knew what he was doing, but chose to pot him some time back

Not one inspiring name ???
For Burnley to be linked with the Lampards, RVN , Parker, Corberans of the footballing world is pretty good in my eyes.
Just have a look at the managers in the rest of the Championship.

[KRBFC]

I’d take him. Four solid years in the Championship and reached the play offs twice having had precious little leeway in terms of bringing in players.

You want to go back to negative boring arse football? I guess you’re in the minority, given the attendances were rapidly dropping under Dyche.

[ervi34]

I could have mentioned them weeks ago and I work for the Ministry of The Bleeding Obvious.

I'm still not sure why everyone suddenly says that Lampard and Parker were obvious targets? I was really surprised to see them linked, I always tought Pace will surely want someone someone more "exotic".

But OK, new rule for every journalist: If something is too obvious, it's not worth reporting.

[ClaretTony]

You want to go back to negative boring arse football? I guess you’re in the minority, given the attendances were rapidly dropping under Dyche.

Ha ha bloody ha

[123EasyasBFC]

I'm still not sure why everyone suddenly says that Lampard and Parker were obvious targets? I was really surprised to see them linked, I always tought Pace will surely want someone someone more "exotic".

But OK, new rule for every journalist: If something is too obvious, it's not worth reporting.

Don’t think Parker was an obvious link but I think Lampard was and rosenior was to

[Pearcey]

You want to go back to negative boring arse football? I guess you’re in the minority, given the attendances were rapidly dropping under Dyche.

Last seasons football was worse than any Dyche premier league season for me. I put results over pretty football personally.

[123EasyasBFC]

You want to go back to negative boring arse football? I guess you’re in the minority, given the attendances were rapidly dropping under Dyche.

Hope you aren’t factoring in a full season without fans in the attendances dropping under dyche

[ClaretTony]

Last seasons football was worse than any Dyche premier league season for me. I put results over pretty football personally.

He must enjoy going on 19 times and seeing us win twice

[KlyBfc]

You want to go back to negative boring arse football? I guess you’re in the minority, given the attendances were rapidly dropping under Dyche.

I can safely say I hated over 95% of the football I watched last year, give me Dyche type ball over that clueless nonsense every day of the week. I get zero enjoyment in watching us fail to compete in almost every home game.

[Barden Lane]

Doing an all nighter looking for somebody who connects that Henrik Jensen fella to Youl Mawene

[NewClaret]

Not one inspiring name ???
For Burnley to be linked with the Lampards, RVN , Parker, Corberans of the footballing world is pretty good in my eyes.
Just have a look at the managers in the rest of the Championship.

Spot on.

[NewClaret]

Page 76 and tick tock, tick tock

Jaw grinding stuff, yet not one inspiring name

We did have one decent and loyal manager that knew what he was doing, but chose to pot him some time back

Who were you expecting? Pep? Klopp?

[Steddyman]

Is this the Sean Dyche who took us up and kept us up for six years with only spending a fraction of the amount we spent last summer?

Yes, and the Dyche that preferred experience to potential. Like it or not, Pace's business model is based on bringing in raw talent, developing it and selling it for profit. That will likely be his top priority for 'the project', whether we like it or not.

[Papabendi]

. I do think often that managers fail when they have players who weren’t as good a player as they were.

That doesn't track Kompany in the Championship though does it? One of the best seasons in Burnley's history

[Vegas Claret]

Interestingly, if you take a look at the WBA forums then there are quite a few that believe Corberan isn't as good as others make him out to be

[ClaretTony]

. I do think often that managers fail when they have players who weren’t as good a player as they were.

That doesn't track Kompany in the Championship though does it? One of the best seasons in Burnley's history

It doesn't and there are exceptions, but I still believe in general that is often the case. He did follow one of the best seasons with one of the worst though.

[ClaretTony]

Interestingly, if you take a look at the WBA forums then there are quite a few that believe Corberan isn't as good as others make him out to be

Manager being linked with other clubs getting criticism from his own fans - what a shock

[Vegas Claret]

Manager being linked with other clubs getting criticism from his own fans - what a shock

you see what you've done there is jumped to a conclusion of what the comments are, maybe go and have a look (btw this had nothing to do with links to us but Leicester)

[dougcollins]

What a manager was like as a player - or even if he never played at all - is irrelevant.

[leelad]

The ship has sailed for me on Moyes which is a shame as I thought he would have done a good job for us. Carrick now has a new contract at Boro. I agree with CT on that you want a manager who doesn't set unrealistic expectations on his playing staff, based off the time that he was playing himself. We have seen this with Waddle and Kompany in the Prem. I want a manager who doesn't get too big for the club and who doesn't use us as a stepping stone. I like the idea of Corberan but there's a few names in the frame still and 76 pages on this thread, we are not over the finishing line just yet. Hope that AP and the board will make the right choice here.

[Wokingclaret]

Yes, and the Dyche that preferred experience to potential. Like it or not, Pace's business model is based on bringing in raw talent, developing it and selling it for profit. That will likely be his top priority for 'the project', whether we like it or not.

And where would we be if that happened then, relegated.

Plenty of proof

Keane
Tarky
Pope

Lowton, Wood, Barnes, Westwood, Brady, Arfield and Taylor weren't old when he brought them in

Probably others too

[Stonehouse]

I think we should stop all this fannying about and get Rob Edwards ,cheap as chips and knows how to get the job done without costing a fortune,the media love him so it’s a win win situation.

[mdd2]

He must enjoy going on 19 times and seeing us win twice

We didn’t win a single home game playing an opposition with 11 players all the game
Neither team had 11 on the pitch after 20 mins at most
Exciting stuff

[Jamesy]

Yes, and the Dyche that preferred experience to potential. Like it or not, Pace's business model is based on bringing in raw talent, developing it and selling it for profit. That will likely be his top priority for 'the project', whether we like it or not.

This is all very well providing that the “potential” brought into the club has got a good resale value after a season or two.
Looking at the numerous players of potential Kompany signed at a considerable outlay I would seriously question this business model.
A new manager has got a serious job on his hands offloading some of this massive potential and at the same time trying to turn a profit on them.

[Wokingclaret]

I think we should stop all this fannying about and get Rob Edwards ,cheap as chips and knows how to get the job done without costing a fortune,the media love him so it’s a win win situation.

Signed a 4 year deal today

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... nn33x303yo

[Hapag Lloyd]

Yes, and the Dyche that preferred experience to potential. Like it or not, Pace's business model is based on bringing in raw talent, developing it and selling it for profit. That will likely be his top priority for 'the project', whether we like it or not.

The vast majority of the players we’ve sold for a profit over the last few years have all been Dyche signings.

[KRBFC]

He must enjoy going on 19 times and seeing us win twice

You’re acting like we didn’t win one game in 7 months in Dyches final season whilst spending £100m a year on wages. Couldn’t break a side down for toffee, regularly outplayed by lower league dross because we played their game.

The football was atrocious, fans don’t want to watch that crap these days, look at the stick Southgate receives even when they win, Moyes forced out by the fans despite winning a European trophy.

[Wokingclaret]

You’re acting like we didn’t win one game in 7 months in Dyches final season whilst spending £100m a year on wages. Couldn’t break a side down for toffee, regularly outplayed by lower league dross because we played their game.

The football was atrocious, fans don’t want to watch that crap these days, look at the stick Southgate receives even when they win, Moyes forced out by the fans despite winning a European trophy.

I didn't want to watch the crap this season, it wasn't pretty

[CoolClaret]

You’re acting like we didn’t win one game in 7 months in Dyches final season whilst spending £100m a year on wages. Couldn’t break a side down for toffee, regularly outplayed by lower league dross because we played their game.

The football was atrocious, fans don’t want to watch that crap these days, look at the stick Southgate receives even when they win, Moyes forced out by the fans despite winning a European trophy.

One season wages were higher but never exceeded something like 75% of turnover or whatever - nor did we have an auditors warning through his tenure.

The wages inflate/deflate relative to performance and league position.

Dyche is a far, far superior manager than Kompany.

[Bordeauxclaret]

After all this time he still gets upset about Dyche and Jay Rod.

What’s that song from Frozen again?