Today's Brexit vote

[Imploding Turtle]

When someone claims to accept the result then why do they hope a court case that can reverse the result, goes "our way"?

It's contradictory....

What court case is trying to reverse the result?

[Imploding Turtle]

One thing that seems to have been swept under the carpet by those who want to leave the EU is that we shouldn't be made to lay all our cards on the table in case it damages possible negotiations.

Seems that's all rubbish now we have the white paper and won't have any effect on any trade deals.

We knew that was a part of Article 50 when we voted to leave. We can hardly vote one way and then complain about the consequences of the vote having known what they were when we voted.

We voted 52-48 to put ourselves into a terrible negotiating position.

[RingoMcCartney]

Ringo, I'm telling you again. You don't understand how this works. You are just rattling off whatever comes into your head.

It does not reverse the result, it is (as far as I know) a legal check to see if you can reverse Article 50 if circumstances change*

*ie if the deal from Europe is terrible and we'd rather stay in on reflection**

**hypothetically!

No but the Dublin case, if it succeeds means the referendum result CAN be reversed!

You say you accept the result. But why do you hope a court case opens the possibility of reversing it.

I think if you were honest you'd admit that although you "accept " the result you hope it can be reversed. Because why else would you hope the Dublin case is successful.?

And for the last time. If the EU goes into negotiations knowing that the referendum result is reversible. As a consequence of the Dublin case. How good a deal ( from our point of view) will it agree to.

I'll make it easy for you seeing as you've avoided answering previously.

Do you think it will do its damnedest to negotiate a lousy deal and then sit back and hope Tiny Tim the white flag waving surrender monkey , Clarke, Starmer Benn and the rest scream,"told you , told you! It's all been one terrible mistake "

So come on , one last go. If it's successful how will they deal?

[Lancasterclaret]

Ringo, Ringo, Ringo

I don't know you at all, but I really am getting to the stage where I'm running out of different ways to say the same thing.

The referendum result has happened. We are leaving.

That is happening, everything after that is NOT GUARANTEED TO HAPPEN

I'll go through it again!

The court case in Dublin is to see if Article 50 is reversible.

At the moment, under the terms of the EU treaty, once you invoke it, you can't stop it, even if you change your mind

I've no idea which way this court case is going to go, its not as clear cut as the one Gina Miller bought as far as I'm aware.

If, and its a big if, the court case is lost by the EU, then article 50 can be reversed, if people want to.

That doesn't mean that it will be, just that it is a possibility.

Regarding the EU negotiating position, how exactly do you expect me to answer that, I haven't got a clue how 27 countries are going to negotiate with us, especially as there are elections in most of those countries. You seem to think that anything other than us pretty much threatening to nuke them is going to be "showing our hand". Which it isn't.

Do I hope we are going to stay in the EU?

I've got to be honest here, I genuinely can't answer that as if we can safeguard our trade and economy, then I'm not too bothered about the other stuff as I think we will reach a level of co-operation/integration with the EU in time anyway.

Thats why I'm so against a "Hard Brexit", as it hits us exactly were we are least equipped to deal with it.

[RingoMcCartney]

If it's a matter of semantics for you, would you prefer it if the BBC said the country was 'largely divided' on the issue, rather than using the word 'split'?

When peole say the country is "split" They're wrong.
The result back in June saw 1 million MORE for Leave than remain.

To keep saying it's split or 50 50 implies that some how the result is not valid and more importantly that peole have not moved on and accepted the result.

What we have is a majority that either got the result they voted for or didn't but now accept the result.

Then there is an ever dwindling minority that simply refuses to accept the result. And are hell bent , by hook or by crook to upset, stall, frustrate and ultimately try to stop the will of the people.

A recent poll in the telegraph shows that -

"When asked if they think that May's plans respect the result of the referendum, 62 per cent of people replied positively - including 56 per cent of Remainers.-"



https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegr ... -five/amp/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So when people say the country's split 50 50 they're simply wrong and trying to give the impression that their side has not lost the argument and despite almost 2/3rds have accepted were leaving.

The bbc likes to try and paint a picture of division. If this figure of people who accepted the result and want to make progress continues. And grows to 75% the europhiles at the bbc would still desparately pedal the myth of division. If Tiny Tim and sturgeon turn out to be the last 2 people in Britain to not accept brexit. The bbc would still morbidly describe Britain as a nation "deeply divided"

In summary the vast majority of the country (62% according to the latest poll) want to make progress

The rest are unaccepting Remoaners.

[Imploding Turtle]

No but the Dublin case, if it succeeds means the referendum result CAN be reversed!

You say you accept the result. But why do you hope a court case opens the possibility of reversing it.

I think if you were honest you'd admit that although you "accept " the result you hope it can be reversed. Because why else would you hope the Dublin case is successful.?

And for the last time. If the EU goes into negotiations knowing that the referendum result is reversible. As a consequence of the Dublin case. How good a deal ( from our point of view) will it agree to.

I'll make it easy for you seeing as you've avoided answering previously.

Do you think it will do its damnedest to negotiate a lousy deal and then sit back and hope Tiny Tim the white flag waving surrender monkey , Clarke, Starmer Benn and the rest scream,"told you , told you! It's all been one terrible mistake "

So come on , one last go. If it's successful how will they deal?

It's already possible to ignore the result. No court case is needed.

The Dublin case isn't about reversing the referendum result, it's about the ability for any country that triggers Article 50 to later reverse its triggering. That has nothing to do with the referendum.

A five year old could understand the difference.

[Burnley Ace]

When peole say the country is "split" They're wrong.
The result back in June saw 1 million MORE for Leave than remain.

To keep saying it's split or 50 50 implies that some how the result is not valid and more importantly that peole have not moved on and accepted the result.

What we have is a majority that either got the result they voted for or didn't but now accept the result.

Then there is an ever dwindling minority that simply refuses to accept the result. And are hell bent , by hook or by crook to upset, stall, frustrate and ultimately try to stop the will of the people.

A recent poll in the telegraph shows that -

"When asked if they think that May's plans respect the result of the referendum, 62 per cent of people replied positively - including 56 per cent of Remainers.-"



https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegr ... -five/amp/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So when people say the country's split 50 50 they're simply wrong and trying to give the impression that their side has not lost the argument and despite almost 2/3rds have accepted were leaving.

The bbc likes to try and paint a picture of division. If this figure of people who accepted the result and want to make progress continues. And grows to 75% the europhiles at the bbc would still desparately pedal the myth of division. If Tiny Tim and sturgeon turn out to be the last 2 people in Britain to not accept brexit. The bbc would still morbidly describe Britain as a nation "deeply divided"

In summary the vast majority of the country (62% according to the latest poll) want to make progress

The rest are unaccepting Remoaners.

Once again you seem to be confused about numbers and how that equates to people. You see there were restrictions on those that were eligible to vote so continually going on about 52:48 and it being the Will of the People is I itself misleading as it is only representative of those adults living in the UK who were eligible to vote in the referendum. That's a selective group that isn't necessarily the Will of the People (unless your definition of people is white indigenous etc).

[RingoMcCartney]

Was that me? Sorry if it was.

As posted above, I believe Brexit was the right decision by the UK electorate (I wish we'd been asked about other key EU related decisions a lot earlier. UK and EU wouldn't be where we are today if that had been the case).

I'm not bothered by the court case. It's good that High Court and Supreme Court had considered the situation according to British constitution. (I'm not keen that it took a wealthy person to initiate the court case). The outcome doesn't create any insurmountable situations for UK gov't (I hope the Lords does the sensible thing, though personally I'd abolish the Lords and replace with a new second chamber: "The House of Knowledgeable Persons." No more "retirement home" for "failed" politicians and "political donors and other friends of politicians").

Again, as posted above, I hope the court case is a reminder to our MPs (legislature) and the executive to be more thoughtful when they draw up laws - including the law for the referendum. The court case would have been redundant if they'd done their jobs properly in the first place - which I think requires them to think a bit more deeply about the laws they enact.

I believe Tim Farron has got confused by wanting a 2nd referendum - or as he has put it "a first referendum on the exit deal." What if TM can't negotiate an exit deal that everyone likes? It will be because the EU hasn't agreed that deal. They are hardly going to say "welcome back" with all that "water under the bridge" so to speak.

Everyone should now get on the same side and pull together for the best deal for the UK - and the best deal for EU with the UK. No one wins with all this division and the rest.

Wasn't saying your stance was contradictory Paul.

Referring to Lancasters. A guy who describes older people who have expressed their opinion in the referendum. And because it's not the same as his he labels them, condescendly as"geriatric"

As for Tiny Tim. The first referendum was in 1974 to take us into what was a club of relative equals.

The british people have experienced it and given the time that's past has allowed the majority to benefit from the objectivity to judge where its taking us.

They don't agree with trajectory and have wisely decided, enough is enough.


Like I said pages back on this thread.

Burnley lost to a dodgy goal at arsenal on Sunday

I'm over it after initially being gutted.

It's sad that a dwindling number remain bewildered at and unaccepting of the referendum result.

These Remoaners truly must believe they still have the right not to be disappointed.

[Spijed]

Ringo, what are your views on Donald Trump and his unwillingness to accept that he lost the popular vote?

You can't have it both ways.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/23/us/p ... crats.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Imploding Turtle]

Wasn't saying your stance was contradictory Paul.

Referring to Lancasters. A guy who describes older people who have expressed their opinion in the referendum. And because it's not the same as his he labels them, condescendly as"geriatric".

You're in no position to criticise having called Nick Cregg a traitor.

Edit: I was wrong. I misremembered. You didn't call him a traitor, what you called him was a "treasonous rat".

[nil_desperandum]

Once again you seem to be confused about numbers and how that equates to people. You see there were restrictions on those that were eligible to vote so continually going on about 52:48 and it being the Will of the People is I itself misleading as it is only representative of those adults living in the UK who were eligible to vote in the referendum. That's a selective group that isn't necessarily the Will of the People (unless your definition of people is white indigenous etc).

Additionally as I mentioned in an earlier post the 52: 48 was 7 months ago. Even in that time approx 250,000 will have died and approx 400,000 will have become eligible to vote.
If there was a vote tomorrow and everyone voted the same way but you subtract the 250,000 (most likely to be pre-dominantly leavers), and allowed the 400,000 to vote, the result would almost certainly be a great deal closer. That's what we mean when we says that a difference of 1 million or a 1% swing is virtually a 50/50 split.
Whichever way you look at it, if you can't accept that a 52 : 48 result leaves the country significantly divided then there's no point in getting involved in a debate.

[RingoMcCartney]

Once again you seem to be confused about numbers and how that equates to people. You see there were restrictions on those that were eligible to vote so continually going on about 52:48 and it being the Will of the People is I itself misleading as it is only representative of those adults living in the UK who were eligible to vote in the referendum. That's a selective group that isn't necessarily the Will of the People (unless your definition of people is white indigenous etc).

I'm bored of this now fella.

Restrictions. Eligibility. Adults. Blah blah.

None of this was raised PRIOR to the vote.

The result doesn't go the way some don't like and it's a communal whinge fest.

I remember when it was announced that there'd be an extension to register to vote.

The Leave campaign were doing their premature victory lap. Proclaiming that " more people could join in this great expression of democracy " "It's simply more democracy isn't it Mr Farage that's what you want isn't it Mr Farage"

There was no mention of Eligibility, restrictions, adults then was there!?

No mention from Tiny Tim Fallon what was and what wasn't "on the ballot paper"!?

Cos they thought they had it in the bag.

They didn't!!!!

And boy o boy have they not stopped whining since

So I'm sorry mate woulda coulda shoulda all you like.

62% of the population of the UK are now happy , accepting and glad we're leaving the EU.

Huff n puff all you like.

Arsenal still beat us on Sunday and we're leaving the EU.

[RingoMcCartney]

Ringo, what are your views on Donald Trump and his unwillingness to accept that he lost the popular vote?

You can't have it both ways.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/23/us/p ... crats.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not interested to be honest mate.

[Lancasterclaret]

Ringo, I can't help thinking that you fixating on the geriatric comment I made is because you are losing this one hand over fist.

You've managed not to understand a single point put across on this thread, which is pretty amazing in itself.

[Lancasterclaret]

And this idea that its the same as a football match, just reinforces the idea that you don't have a clue.

And when its pointed out inconsistencies in what you are saying

"Sorry mate, not interested to be honest".

[Imploding Turtle]

Not interested to be honest mate.

You're so uninterested that you've posted 8 times in the "Trump Inauguration" thread.

[Paul Waine]

Ringo, what are your views on Donald Trump and his unwillingness to accept that he lost the popular vote?

You can't have it both ways.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/23/us/p ... crats.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Best to leave the electorate of USA to decide on PDT. Their election, their federal rules.

Personally I wish they'd had two better candidates, DT is now PDT.

[Paul Waine]

Additionally as I mentioned in an earlier post the 52: 48 was 7 months ago. Even in that time approx 250,000 will have died and approx 400,000 will have become eligible to vote.
If there was a vote tomorrow and everyone voted the same way but you subtract the 250,000 (most likely to be pre-dominantly leavers), and allowed the 400,000 to vote, the result would almost certainly be a great deal closer. That's what we mean when we says that a difference of 1 million or a 1% swing is virtually a 50/50 split.
Whichever way you look at it, if you can't accept that a 52 : 48 result leaves the country significantly divided then there's no point in getting involved in a debate.

Pretty harsh, nil_d? 250,000 people passed away since 23 June and it's because they voted leave? I'm not telling you how I voted then.

The thing is, if the referendum was re-run today with what we know today, with TM leading the campaign to leave and the "plagues" that we were all told would occur by everyone leading up to 23-Jun haven't occurred, and the things the EU "elite" have said since 23-Jun, I'm pretty sure there would be a stronger vote to leave.

But, Ref2 isn't going to happen. Only Ref1 counts.

[quoonbeatz]

You don't understand that 48 and 52 are not the number 50!!!

Come on mate you're not showering yourself on intellectual glory here!

I'd try and help but you appear to be suffering from Dyscalculia!?

Have you sought professional one to one help or coaching?

Apologies, I hadn't realised you were illiterate, I thought you were just intent on making a fool of yourself.

[Bacchus]

Attempting a rational, adult discussion with Ringo

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[quoonbeatz]

He's a parody account, has to be.

[Imploding Turtle]

He's a parody account, has to be.

"the thing about Jeremy Clarkson, right, is that he's either an idiot or a genius. He's either an idiot who actually believes all the badly researched, lying, offensive **** that he says, or he's a genius who has worked out the most accurate way to annoy me".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7CnMQ4L9Pc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Paul Waine]

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Just wanted the giff, Bacchus. It seems to fit these two additional (possible) court cases that I'd missed/forgotten/dismissed from memory.

1) Dublin - a Brit lawyer with qualification to be heard in Court in Dublin is starting (has he started already?) a case against the Irish Gov't arguing that Article 50 should be reversible/cancellable with the EU member state that starts it - and everything returns to status quo. The case in Dublin will take the case on appeal to EU "highest tribunal."

Ingenious. Then all the guys supporting this case will need to do is win control of UK gov't and withdraw Article 50.

And, we think we've got problems at the moment...

2) London - something to do with the European Economic Area (EEA) and we will still be a member of EEA after Article 50 and Brexit.

Again, a lesson in asking our MPs to think before they enact any laws - and to be clear about all the interactions between laws, treaties and everything else.

What do the guys who are leading these actions think will be the results if they win their legal cases?

And someone said "don't rely on experts...."

[Burnley Ace]

I'm bored of this now fella.

Restrictions. Eligibility. Adults. Blah blah.

None of this was raised PRIOR to the vote.

The result doesn't go the way some don't like and it's a communal whinge fest.

I remember when it was announced that there'd be an extension to register to vote.

The Leave campaign were doing their premature victory lap. Proclaiming that " more people could join in this great expression of democracy " "It's simply more democracy isn't it Mr Farage that's what you want isn't it Mr Farage"

There was no mention of Eligibility, restrictions, adults then was there!?

No mention from Tiny Tim Fallon what was and what wasn't "on the ballot paper"!?

Cos they thought they had it in the bag.

They didn't!!!!

And boy o boy have they not stopped whining since

So I'm sorry mate woulda coulda shoulda all you like.

62% of the population of the UK are now happy , accepting and glad we're leaving the EU.

Huff n puff all you like.

Arsenal still beat us on Sunday and we're leaving the EU.

It's quite fascinating how you seem unable to focus on specific points of an argument. Nobody is arguing about the result it's rather more nuanced. I've commented a couple of times about your dogmatic insistence that it's the "Will of the People" when it quite obviously isn't. You then throw out some rather peculiar facts like "62% of the population of the UK are now happy" based on what?

[RingoMcCartney]

It's quite fascinating how you seem unable to focus on specific points of an argument. Nobody is arguing about the result it's rather more nuanced. I've commented a couple of times about your dogmatic insistence that it's the "Will of the People" when it quite obviously isn't. You then throw out some rather peculiar facts like "62% of the population of the UK are now happy" based on what?

When asked if they think that May's plans respect the result of the referendum, 62 per cent of people replied positively - including 56 per cent of Remainers.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegr ... -five/amp/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hope that clears it up.

[RingoMcCartney]

Apologies, I hadn't realised you were illiterate, I thought you were just intent on making a fool of yourself.

By previously claiming that 52 and 48 is nearly 50 mate, when it comes to making a fool of oneself I'd say you best me to it!

I'd love to hear the conversation that you'd have buying a lottery ticket.

"One of those special lottery tickets where the numbers are nearly the same please."

"What?"

"You know. I've bought one before. You know , where the numbers are nearly all the same!"

"Look son, I'll give you a lucky dip and that's the best I can do"

Passes lucky dip to quoonbeatz

"That's it! Look 34 45 2 52 48 50 19 and 20. All the numbers are nearly the same! Brilliant! See ya"

What part of a million more votes and 52% and 48% is not 50 50 don't you understand ?

Seriously fella. Are you single handedly attempting to normalise idiocy?

Got to go now up bright and early in the morning.

I've set the alarm for 4.45 . Oh there's no point doing the number thing with you its not your strong point is it!

Adios

[SmudgetheClaret]

This is actually a great result for the Brexit side because the lying Europhiles will now be exposed to their constituents and if they push it too far we call a snap election rid the country of the commies and sack off all the fat money grabbing "Lords" happy days .

[Imploding Turtle]

62% of the population of the UK are now happy , accepting and glad we're leaving the EU.

This is how you characterise, "when asked if they think that May's plans respect the result of the referendum, 62 per cent of people replied positively - including 56 per cent of Remainers."

[Burnley Ace]

When asked if they think that May's plans respect the result of the referendum, 62 per cent of people replied positively - including 56 per cent of Remainers.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegr ... -five/amp/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hope that clears it up.

Again you aren't really grasping it are you? A survey by YouGov (who owns them?) 62% of people asked think that May's plans respect the result of the referendum yet somehow you manage to interpret that as "62% of the population of the UK are now happy, accepting and glad we're leaving the EU". It's quite bizarre.

[dsr]

So you're just going to pretend to not understand that she's talking about the supremacy of parliament over the Prime Minister?

I give her credit that she knows the difference between the PM and the general public. Like a said, it was a prepared statement. If Miller had meant "only Parliament can grant rights to the Prime Minister", then why did she say "only Parliament can grant rights to the British people"? Like I said, it was a prepared and thought out statement.

[dsr]

I said hope what goes in our favour?

Again, its about clarification of what Article 50 means

Everyone is telling me that the EU have to give us a good deal Ringo. By everyone, I mean everyone who voted for Brexit.

I trust them about as much as I'd trust the Juke to spearhead our premier league strikeforce.

I voted Brexit, and I don't think there's any chance at all of getting a trade agreement with the EU. We'll be trading under WTO rules, just like most of the the rest of the world does.

Two years to make a deal with 27 countries, some of whom are hostile, all of whom are self-interested, and it must be unanimous? I don't believe it's possible. The EU negotiators can't negotiate in good faith, because there's no way even they can know what would be acceptable to their 27 distinct principals.

[Imploding Turtle]

I give her credit that she knows the difference between the PM and the general public. Like a said, it was a prepared statement. If Miller had meant "only Parliament can grant rights to the Prime Minister", then why did she say "only Parliament can grant rights to the British people"? Like I said, it was a prepared and thought out statement.

Because she's saying the Prime Minister can't grant and remove rights. Only parliament can.

[dsr]

Because she's saying the Prime Minister can't grant and remove rights. Only parliament can.

And I'm saying that neither the Prime Minister nor Parliament can grant rights to the people. Parliament is the servant of the people, not our master.

[Imploding Turtle]

OK. You're free to be wrong. Ask gay people if parliament can or cannot grant rights.

Parliament is answerable to the people, so if they revoke a right we don't think should be revoked, or grant a right we don't think should be granted then they'll have to answer to us. But they are perfectly free to grant and revoke whatever rights they like, within the confines of the constitution.

[bartons baggage]

I wonder which one of you boring farts is Alastair Campbell?.

[taio]

Additionally as I mentioned in an earlier post the 52: 48 was 7 months ago. Even in that time approx 250,000 will have died and approx 400,000 will have become eligible to vote.
If there was a vote tomorrow and everyone voted the same way but you subtract the 250,000 (most likely to be pre-dominantly leavers), and allowed the 400,000 to vote, the result would almost certainly be a great deal closer. That's what we mean when we says that a difference of 1 million or a 1% swing is virtually a 50/50 split.
Whichever way you look at it, if you can't accept that a 52 : 48 result leaves the country significantly divided then there's no point in getting involved in a debate.

One of my favourite posts of all time...in terms of stupidity

[JohnMcGreal]

This is actually a great result for the Brexit side because the lying Europhiles will now be exposed to their constituents and if they push it too far we call a snap election rid the country of the commies and sack off all the fat money grabbing "Lords" happy days .

WHAT

[claretandy]

WHAT

He's got a point, May can't lose, she is trying to give us brexiteers what we voted for, if other MP's or the lords try to water down brexit then she will have no choice but to go to the country for a mandate. Just remember, leave would have won 400 + seats if the referendum had been a general election.

[Imploding Turtle]

He's got a point, May can't lose, she is trying to give us brexiteers what we voted for, if other MP's or the lords try to water down brexit then she will have no choice but to go to the country for a mandate. Just remember, leave would have won 400 + seats if the referendum had been a general election.

400+ seats? How is that being calculated? Do we now have something close to 800 seats in parliament?

[claretdom]

There are some odd posts on here but the one claiming around 250k people have died since the vote and they all probably voted to leave is stupid as is the logic of the 400k who now can vote would vote to remain.

[Lancasterclaret]

WTO tariffs (for anybody even remotely interested) Sounds like a really good plan to use these when trading with your biggest trading partner.

https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/ta ... data_e.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And a bit more simpler

https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-leaving-eu-trade/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[RingoMcCartney]

400+ seats? How is that being calculated? Do we now have something close to 800 seats in parliament?

[dsr]

OK. You're free to be wrong. Ask gay people if parliament can or cannot grant rights.

Parliament is answerable to the people, so if they revoke a right we don't think should be revoked, or grant a right we don't think should be granted then they'll have to answer to us. But they are perfectly free to grant and revoke whatever rights they like, within the confines of the constitution.

Do you see homosexuality as something that needs parliamentary ratification? I thought it was widely believed to be something you were born with. The whole homosexuality thing is a perfect example of what I am getting at.

In outline, parliament has never granted people the right to be homosexual or indulge in homosexual behaviour, any more than it has granted rights to be heterosexual. All parliament has ever done re. homosexuality is stick its oar in and make it illegal.

There's an old joke that starts with "In England, everything is allowed, except what is expressly forbidden". It's broadly speaking true, as well. We don't have to rely on parliamentary approval for any sort of behaviour, sexual or otherwise - if it's not illegal, we don't have to wait for parliament to tell us we can do it.

Ask gay people if they think homosexuality is a right granted by parliament.

[dsr]

400+ seats? How is that being calculated? Do we now have something close to 800 seats in parliament?

650 seats in parliament, estimated 400+ had a Brexit majority.

[claretandy]

Latest polling, Question: was brexit a good idea, Yes 52% No 38%.

No brexit regret yet.

[quoonbeatz]

By previously claiming that 52 and 48 is nearly 50 mate, when it comes to making a fool of oneself I'd say you best me to it!

I'd love to hear the conversation that you'd have buying a lottery ticket.

"One of those special lottery tickets where the numbers are nearly the same please."

"What?"

"You know. I've bought one before. You know , where the numbers are nearly all the same!"

"Look son, I'll give you a lucky dip and that's the best I can do"

Passes lucky dip to quoonbeatz

"That's it! Look 34 45 2 52 48 50 19 and 20. All the numbers are nearly the same! Brilliant! See ya"

What part of a million more votes and 52% and 48% is not 50 50 don't you understand ?

Seriously fella. Are you single handedly attempting to normalise idiocy?

Got to go now up bright and early in the morning.

I've set the alarm for 4.45 . Oh there's no point doing the number thing with you its not your strong point is it!

Adios

no matter how hard you try, you are never going to be able to refute the bona fide, irrefutable fact that the numbers 48 and 52 are both close to the number 50.

you really need to stop making a tit of yourself here, kid.

[summitclaret]

I had not realised that it was that many. I really hope that the PM reminds mps about this at every opportunity.

As for the UNELECTED HofL, if they exceed their powers they are toast.

[Lancasterclaret]

In a general election though, people don't tend to vote about just one thing.

Mind you, if UKIP got 400 seats, then we'd have a lot more things to worry about than tariffs on trading with our European neighbours.

Especially if you were not White, straight, male and Christian

[RingoMcCartney]

no matter how hard you try, you are never going to be able to refute the bona fide, irrefutable fact that the numbers 48 and 52 are both close to the number 50.

you really need to stop making a tit of yourself here, kid.

Look mate .

I've to crack on with my work

Let's call this score draw. That means 1 to you and 1 to me. Equality. A nice 50 50 split. Where neither side has more than the other. It's a concept I hope you can understand. Cos up to now you haven't.

OK so it's a 1 1 draw of EQUALS

No side won no side lost.

Now there's nothing left to say. Don't be the the one still saying it!

I'm more bothered about if we sign Brady .

Have a great day

[quoonbeatz]

Look mate .

I've to crack on with my work

Let's call this score draw. That means 1 to you and 1 to me. Equality. A nice 50 50 split. Where neither side has more than the other. It's a concept I hope you can understand. Cos up to now you haven't.

OK so it's a 1 1 draw of EQUALS

No side won no side lost.

Now there's nothing left to say. Don't be the the one still saying it!

I'm more bothered about if we sign Brady .

Have a great day

you lost massively, no matter how much you try and kid yourself. perhaps this is your way of getting over it?

don't for one minute think you have the right not to be disappointed.

all the best, kid.