Trump/Russia Dossier

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:24 am

Uwe Noble wrote:You're so desperate to refute other people that you don't even notice that your in evidence actually supports what I said. I repeat, the Steele dossier is the basis of the FISA application. This is supported by the testimony of Andrew McCabe, former deputy director of the FBI, in his testimony to the house committee and others. By contrast the Papadopoulos information "TRIGGERED the opening of an FBI counter-intelligence investigation in late July 2016" (your quote). My point us that if the Steele dossier remains unsubstantiated and it was the basis for Trump collusion then the whole thing collapses.

It's impossible to discuss this with you since facts don't matter to you. It wasn't the basis of the FISA application. SOME information was used to renew the FISA warrant but even then it wasn't the basis of the renewal because the FBI don't use just one single source of information for FISA applications or renewals. And because the FBI don't repeately use the same information to get endless renewals of the warrant, even if it was used for the initial application it wouldn't have been the basis of the three seperate renewals that the FBI applied for and were signed off on by two of Trump's Justice Department appointees (Rod Rosenstein and Dana Boente).

And what is it from the Steele dossier that was so unsubstanciated that it shouldn't have been used to demonstrate just cause for a FISA judge?

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:52 am

Zzzzzz......

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:54 am

Someone will have to explain to me the thinking behind logging on to a thread, and actually commenting on it if it doesn't interest you.

I know a lot of you actually believe all the crap about living in a police state and "its illegal to be English these days" but jesus and all the baby orphans you don't HAVE to click on it if it doesn't interest you.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:55 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Someone will have to explain to me the thinking behind logging on to a thread, and actually commenting on it if it doesn't interest you.

I know a lot of you actually believe all the crap about living in a police state and "its illegal to be English these days" but jesus and all the baby orphans you don't HAVE to click on it if it doesn't interest you.

It's not the thread with randomclaret, it's me. He's a little bit stalkerish with his online harassment. I should probably report him.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:44 pm

Mueller has subpeonaed Trump Organization which on it's own is pretty big on it's own, but it's also come out that Trump's private business was negotiating business deals with a sanctioned Russian bank in 2016, during Trump's presidential campaign. Not only is that so obviously illegal, but it means he's completely compromised.
This is why candidates are supposed to put their private businesses into blind trusts, because how can he be trusted to properly santion banks that he's privately got business with? Jimmy Carter had to sell his ******* peanut farm to avoid the appearance of a conflict, but Trump was allowed to keep his multi-billion (citation needed) business?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/15/us/p ... ussia.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... nk-in-2016" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:14 pm

on it`s own is pretty big on it`s own. ?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:20 pm

From twitter

"I refuse to joke about Vanessa Trump bc it's NEVER funny when a couple files for an uncontested quick divorce, one where assets can be swiftly transferred, on the same day an independent special counsel subpoenas their family business. People, this could happen to you someday."

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:22 pm

FCBurnley wrote:on it`s own is pretty big on it`s own. ?

On it's own.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:26 pm

Blue Jumbo Trump good President of USA.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:27 pm

I often wonder what Turtle will talk about when Trump has gone..

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:32 pm

Jamoroquai he Blackburn demon claiming buffalo head two spear standing on feet for claim natural man vanguard against the developed (whilst singing fake Stevie Wonder shite and driving fast cars.) He see through round discs and round sun and round moon on round Earth but know not that thing. Silver moon man and his microwave plan can zap that peasant ideology pretty damn quick.

Wheels on fire?????????

That's one rotten apple.

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:44 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I often wonder what Turtle will talk about when Trump has gone..

I lay awake at night worrying about this, it's pretty much all I ever think about - Turtle and his unhealthy obsession. I guess he'll love it, yet at the same time hate it as he will be at a loss as to what to do next after one of his lefties manages to assassinate Trumpton, they'd have to compose themselves and get their autistic screeching under control first mind you.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:03 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I often wonder what Turtle will talk about when Trump has gone..

I don't think about you at all.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:06 pm

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Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:07 pm

I do wonder about pstotto sometimes though.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:11 pm

You both post nonsense

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:13 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:You both post nonsense

And you think about me way too much.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:40 pm

I guess there are 2 Turtles heed

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:41 pm

Pstotto wrote:Jamoroquai he Blackburn demon claiming buffalo head two spear standing on feet for claim natural man vanguard against the developed (whilst singing fake Stevie Wonder shite and driving fast cars.) He see through round discs and round sun and round moon on round Earth but know not that thing. Silver moon man and his microwave plan can zap that peasant ideology pretty damn quick.

Wheels on fire?????????

That's one rotten apple.

Come together....

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:42 pm

Pstotto wrote:Jamoroquai he Blackburn demon claiming buffalo head two spear standing on feet for claim natural man vanguard against the developed (whilst singing fake Stevie Wonder shite and driving fast cars.) He see through round discs and round sun and round moon on round Earth but know not that thing. Silver moon man and his microwave plan can zap that peasant ideology pretty damn quick.

Wheels on fire?????????

That's one rotten apple.

We didn't start the fire....

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:45 pm

Pstotto wrote:Jamoroquai he Blackburn demon claiming buffalo head two spear standing on feet for claim natural man vanguard against the developed (whilst singing fake Stevie Wonder shite and driving fast cars.) He see through round discs and round sun and round moon on round Earth but know not that thing. Silver moon man and his microwave plan can zap that peasant ideology pretty damn quick.

Wheels on fire?????????

That's one rotten apple.

PARKLIFE

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:50 pm

Is that you stating your case, utb??????????????????

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:53 pm

Whoever is in the sink it isn't me and it isn't Africa.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:55 pm

Could be what Bone China World might look like from somewhere else...

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:15 pm

Bone China World is the worst visitor attraction since Keswick Pencil Museum

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:14 pm

Trump's top lawyer has dumped him as a client saying he's ignoring his advice.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/us/p ... awyer.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:30 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Trump's top lawyer has dumped him as a client saying he's ignoring his advice.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/us/p ... awyer.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I want my tenner

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:15 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I want my tenner

lol. you lost ages ago mate. then refused to pay up.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:34 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:lol. you lost ages ago mate. then refused to pay up.

Trump still in power, looks set to be going nowhere and the Russia allegations are all but dead. I want much munnies

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:05 pm

Do you need reminding of the bet?

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Not saying he will, I am however saying this Russian thing is a load of sh!te and absolutely nothing with come of it, I'll put a tenner on that; and I'd even put 50 on Farage.

"absolutely nothing will come of it" - here's the post. http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... dd#p414837" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now. After 6 months Mueller had secured two convictions. Campaign advisor George Papadopolous, and former National Security Advisor Gen. Mike Flynn.

Since then he's secured a further four convictions of three people. And in total he has indicted a total of 19 people and 3 companies, so far.

"absolutely nothing will come of it". You lost, then welched. I kindly let it go.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:09 am

Gone by Christmas ?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:29 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Do you need reminding of the bet?

"absolutely nothing will come of it" - here's the post. http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... dd#p414837" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now. After 6 months Mueller had secured two convictions. Campaign advisor George Papadopolous, and former National Security Advisor Gen. Mike Flynn.

Since then he's secured a further four convictions of three people. And in total he has indicted a total of 19 people and 3 companies, so far.

"absolutely nothing will come of it". You lost, then welched. I kindly let it go.

The focus was always on Trump himself and impeachment. Not some little peons who were around during the campaign trail days.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:19 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:The focus was always on Trump himself and impeachment. Not some little peons who were around during the campaign trail days.

"absolutely nothing will come of it"

Plenty has come of it. Plenty more is still coming of it. 22 people and companies indicted. Former campaign manager under house arrest. Former National Security Advisor convicted. Former advisor Rick Gates convicted of "conspiracy against the United States".

You're deluding yourself if you think these were low-level peons.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:31 pm

Says it all that Donald Trump congratulated Putin on his recent election victory.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:51 pm

Spijed wrote:Says it all that Donald Trump congratulated Putin on his recent election victory.

After being told not to and provided a card that said in block capital letters "DO NOT CONGRATULATE!".

There can't have been a more stupid president.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:54 pm

Shame when he finally gets potted, he's been a constant source of amusement.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:40 pm

Stormy will sort him out!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:52 pm

When he is finally removed you can be sure there'll still be plenty of amusement to be had. Far-right terrorism is already a bigger threat in America than any other terrorism. Imagine what it'll be like when the Democrats remove the far-right Republican president from office, either through impeachment or forcing him to resign.

It's going to be fascinating to see how they'll do it if they win control of both chambers of congress in November. In order to get the Republican votes in the Senate they'll need for his removal they'll probably have to agree to let Mike Pence off the hook so that he can take over (he's up to his neck in this too) because there's no way enough Republican senators will vote to remove a Republican president and Vice-president and hand the presidency to the Democratic Speaker of the House who is second in the line of succession.

But that's depending on the Democrats winning both chambers, which is still probably unlikely given how rigged the House of Representatives is in favour of Republicans. FiveThirtyEight.com think that Democrats need to win the congressional popular vote by 5 to 8 points nationally to win control of the House, that's how rigged it is. Should they only win the Senate then don't expect Trump to be being impeached at all.

Whatever happens it's going to be fascinating, and possibly literally bloody.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:52 pm

IanMcL wrote:Stormy will sort him out!

What makes you think that?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:37 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:What makes you think that?

Just a topical joke.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:47 pm

Memo shows Mueller explicitly tasked with Manafort-Russia collusion claims

Deputy general Rod Rosenstein also authorized investigation of former Trump campaign chair’s financial dealings in Ukraine

The deputy attorney general, Rod Rosenstein, explicitly authorized special counsel Robert Mueller to investigate allegations that the former Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort , according to a court filing made late on Monday night.

Mueller’s prosecutors included that detail in a memo defending the scope of their investigation, which so far has resulted in criminal charges against 19 people and three Russian companies.

Manafort, who led the Trump campaign for several months in 2016, is one of four aides charged in the Mueller investigation. Former national security adviser Michael Flynn, Manafort’s deputy, Rick Gates, and the foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos have entered plea deals.

Manafort has challenged Mueller’s authority and asked a judge to dismiss an indictment charging him with crimes including money laundering conspiracy and false statements.

He said Mueller, who was assigned to investigate potential coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign, overstepped his bounds by charging him for conduct that occurred years before the 2016 election.

But in their new filing, prosecutors revealed that Rosenstein – who appointed Mueller after the attorney general, Jeff Sessions, recused himself, over contacts with Russians during the election campaign – wrote a memo last August that outlined the scope of Mueller’s appointment.

The memo, which remains redacted in parts, said that Mueller was empowered to investigate allegations that Manafort “committed a crime or crimes by colluding with Russian government officials” to interfere with the presidential election.

None of the charges Manafort faces alleges coordination with the Kremlin, and Manafort’s attorneys had used that point to argue that Mueller exceeded his authority by accusing him of financial crimes and acting as an unregistered foreign agent on behalf of Ukrainian interests.

But Monday’s filing appears to undercut that argument. In addition to authorizing the Russia collusion investigation of Manafort, Rosenstein also authorized Mueller to investigate any crimes related to payments Manafort received from the Ukrainian government under former president Viktor Yanukovych.

The description largely outlines the charges against Manafort, which mostly relate to allegations he conspired to launder tens of millions of dollars received from Ukrainian political consulting including his work on Yanukovych’s behalf. Manafort has pleaded not guilty and denied any wrongdoing related to Russian election interference.

Prosecutors say in their court filing that given their mandate to investigate links between Trump associates and Russia, it was appropriate to investigate Manafort for ties to Russia-backed politicians and oligarchs.

“It would also naturally look into any interactions they may have had before and during the campaign to plumb motives and opportunities to coordinate and to expose possible channels for surreptitious communications,” they wrote. “And prosecutors would naturally follow the money trail from Manafort’s Ukrainian consulting activities.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... tion-scope

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:07 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... tion-scope

Weren't you meant to post this as Turtles Heed ?

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:14 pm

The huge copy and paste job that no one cares about certainly bears the mark of the Turtle , Andy...

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:11 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:The huge copy and paste job that no one cares about certainly bears the mark of the Turtle , Andy...

Then it shouldn't be a problem finding numerous examples, should it?

Uwe Noble · Post by **Uwe Noble** » Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:02 pm

The Trump/Russia dossier is a hoax, financed by Clinton and the DNC. Complete BS.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:38 am

I have a feeling you'll be asked for proof at some point.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:39 am

randomclaret2 wrote:The huge copy and paste job that no one cares about certainly bears the mark of the Turtle , Andy...

Upthebeehole is our resident copy and paste expert, saves him having an opinion of his own.

Turtle doesn't tend to do that from what I've seen, he has more of an opinion then beehole does.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:47 am

Uwe Noble wrote:The Trump/Russia dossier is a hoax, financed by Clinton and the DNC. Complete BS.

Financed by the republicans before it was financed by the democrats, but don't let that fact get in the way of your denialism.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:42 am

Sidney1st wrote:Upthebeehole is our resident copy and paste expert, saves him having an opinion of his own.

Turtle doesn't tend to do that from what I've seen, he has more of an opinion then beehole does.

That is terribly unfair to Upthebeehole. He certainly has his own opinion on Ashley Barnes.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:11 am

Chobulous wrote:That is terribly unfair to Upthebeehole. He certainly has his own opinion on Ashley Barnes.

Plenty of people do.

He's been a lot better recently when he's concentrated on playing football instead of diving on the floor or giving stupid free kicks away.