Everton move for Dyche

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:26 pm

claretspice wrote:I imagine Burnley will interview candidates, but I'm not naïve enough to think that Everton haven't done likewise, or that these things necessarily happen only after an formal approach has been made.

He hadn't been interviewed as of Friday. BFS had.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:30 pm

NL Claret wrote:He hadn't been interviewed as of Friday. BFS had.

Are you sure about that? If they've been talking to his agent it's almost as good as an interview.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:39 pm

You tell me Tall Paul or go and ask your mate.

If I was employing someone when my club was on its knees and a pot full of sky cash resting on it I'd want to see the whites of his eyes personally and know how he planned to get em out of the brown stuff in significant detail.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:39 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Are you sure about that? If they've been talking to his agent it's almost as good as an interview.

There’s a difference between talking to an agent and talking to the man himself.

The agent can’t get across the managers vision so yes, we are sure Dyche hasn’t been interviewed officially.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:48 pm

NL Claret wrote:You tell me Tall Paul or go and ask your mate.

If I was employing someone when my club was on its knees and a pot full of sky cash resting on it I'd want to see the whites of his eyes personally and know how he planned to get em out of the brown stuff in significant detail.

Don't be so naive. The people in charge at Everton will have done their due diligence and talked to the people they need to talk to before offering the job to anyone.

Sidney1st wrote:
There’s a difference between talking to an agent and talking to the man himself.

The agent can’t get across the managers vision so yes, we are sure Dyche hasn’t been interviewed officially.

Nobody has said he's been interviewed officially.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:49 pm

Are we absolutely sure that Everton haven't met Dyche personally, unofficially, perhaps with Burnley's permission?

Burnley didn't approach anyone officially for permission to talk anyone employed when Dyche got the job, but are we absolutely sure we didn't interview anyone who currently had a job?

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:52 pm

You'd trust a football agent who might be trying to get the best out of the deal as possible?

I think you might have to go back to your ITK mate on Everton and check on this 3.5 year contract as it doesn't really stack up. It must just be you and your mate who know about this 3.5 year as Dyche's haven't changed much, nor have BFS's odds.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:53 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Don't be so naive. The people in charge at Everton will have done their due diligence and talked to the people they need to talk to before offering the job to anyone.

Nobody has said he's been interviewed officially.

Talking to an agent is apparently the same thing as an interview according to you, when actually it isnt.

For Dyche to pitch himself for the job would require a full blown interview and we all know it would be leaked out that it’s happened.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:54 pm

In fairness clubs in real trouble tend to go for managers who have a proven track record of getting clubs out of said trouble, even if they actually think long term he may not be their ideal appointment. BFS would fit that bill (and he isn't working) Warnock or Pulis have also performed well in those scenarios before, but Everton going for SD would be a very serious gamble for both parties and when you think about what happened at Swansea last season for example, when they changed mangers only to find they needed to change again, it makes you think Everton might be looking way past Sean.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:59 pm

NL Claret wrote:You'd trust a football agent who might be trying to get the best out of the deal as possible?

I think you might have to go back to your ITK mate on Everton and check on this 3.5 year contract as it doesn't really stack up. It must just be you and your mate who know about this 3.5 year as Dyche's haven't changed much, nor have BFS's odds.

Look, I'm just letting people know what I've heard from someone I believe to be a very good source.

Sidney1st wrote:Talking to an agent is apparently the same thing as an interview according to you, when actually it isnt.

For Dyche to pitch himself for the job would require a full blown interview and we all know it would be leaked out that it’s happened.

I said talking to his agent is almost as good as an interview.

Do you really think it would be made public that they're interviewing SD unless and until they knew that they were ready to offer him the job? Of course it wouldn't because, among other reasons, if he didn't get the job his position as Burnley manager would become pretty much untenable.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:59 pm

Sam's issue I would expect is he is looking for a 3.5 year deal yet they probably only want him until the Summer and replace with a European manager again, Everton probably don't want to have to pay him off, or offer a stay up contract £3 mill bonus and we'll think about it.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:01 pm

I don't think Everton are that close to making an appointment. They will have 2 weeks before they play again.

As Dark Cloud says, not sure Dyche has the credentials or track record for what Everton need at the moment.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:02 pm

And I say and on Oddschecker, Nuno Espirito Santo is now just over 2/1 on Betfair exchange, now then maybe he has changed his mind.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:02 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Look, I'm just letting people know what I've heard from someone I believe to be a very good source.

I said talking to his agent is almost as good as an interview.

Do you really think it would be made public that they're interviewing SD unless and until they knew that they were ready to offer him the job? Of course it wouldn't because, among other reasons, if he didn't get the job his position as Burnley manager would become pretty much untenable.

They wouldn’t voluntarily make it public, but if you can state that he’s been offered a contract of 3.5yrs, why wouldn’t it leak out if they’d interviewed him?

Both bits of information would leave his position untenable if he didn’t take the job.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:04 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Point one of Lancaster’s post proven right here.

My skull is pretty thick it’s true, but, I’m thinking more that Sean Dyche sort of blew away some of the facade that paints Everton as many see them
I see poor players, poor ground, poor points haul
Poor position poor short term prospects as for the future
Who knows

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:06 pm

CnBtruntru wrote:And I say and on Oddschecker, Nuno Espirito Santo is now just over 2/1 on Betfair exchange, now then maybe he has changed his mind.

18/1 when I looked just now

Kevwando · Post by **Kevwando** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:07 pm

CnBtruntru wrote:And I say and on Oddschecker, Nuno Espirito Santo is now just over 2/1 on Betfair exchange, now then maybe he has changed his mind.

18/1 on the exchange

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:11 pm

Currently everyone in football, including every person on this board (I would respectfully suggest) believes there isn't a cat in hell's chance Everton will remain in trouble or be anywhere near the bottom 3 come May whatever happens, BUT what if we're all wrong and the unthinkable happens and they go down. It HAS happened before to other "massive" clubs who simply can't arrest a sudden downward spiral and then make a series of poor decisions, panic players buys and managerial appointments. It IS possible.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:11 pm

Sidney1st wrote:They wouldn’t voluntarily make it public, but if you can state that he’s been offered a contract of 3.5yrs, why wouldn’t it leak out if they’d interviewed him?

Both bits of information would leave his position untenable if he didn’t take the job.

I didn't state that he's been offered a contract.

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:12 pm

Kevwando wrote:18/1 on the exchange

23/10

MrTopTier · Post by **MrTopTier** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:12 pm

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:13 pm

Ok, so if you can state he will be offered a contract, the rest of my point still stands....

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:13 pm

MrTopTier wrote:

I’m gonna tweet that

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:14 pm

Oddschecker showing 23/10 = 2.3 to 1 and checked Betfair 5/2?

1968claret · Post by **1968claret** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:17 pm

Nixon reporting this morning that Silva is their number one target and they are willing to wait until the summer with BFS asked to manage them until the end of the season. Also states that Dyche is very wary of the situation at Everton or words to that effect.

Let’s be honest, everyone is just guessing!

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:18 pm

1968claret wrote:Also states that Dyche is very wary of the situation at Everton or words to that effect.

I'm not surprised. He's asked about it in every bloody interview.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:19 pm

Not going settled, let's move on.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:21 pm

1968claret wrote:Nixon reporting this morning that Silva is their number one target and they are willing to wait until the summer with BFS asked to manage them until the end of the season. Also states that Dyche is very wary of the situation at Everton or words to that effect.

Let’s be honest, everyone is just guessing!

Silva at Watford?
KRBFC will explode into a gooey mess.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:22 pm

If that’s correct, I can only commend them on making a fantastic decision.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:26 pm

Just read in print what he said in a recent interview and to me, it comes across that he does want the Everton job, but he's not been approached and so can't do anything. So yeah, if Everton come calling, I think he'll accept it. But it seems he's not their first choice.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:29 pm

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Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:34 pm

Those Nixon tweets are entirely consistent with what I've heard.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:37 pm

So no offer has been made to Dyche...

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:37 pm

Sidney1st wrote:So no offer has been made to Dyche...

Correct.

mybloodisclaret · Post by **mybloodisclaret** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:38 pm

Sidney1st wrote:
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Love it how the uptheclarets message board is the other tab open. well done Sidney!!!

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:40 pm

Sidney1st wrote:
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I am TheClaretUK, you just made me feel like a celebrity.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:42 pm

mybloodisclaret wrote:Love it how the uptheclarets message board is the other tab open. well done Sidney!!!

Only because I made sure to close the soapy one first.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:29 pm

CnBtruntru wrote:Oddschecker showing 23/10 = 2.3 to 1 and checked Betfair 5/2?

Do you mean Dyche or Wolves Manager?

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:37 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Do you mean Dyche or Wolves Manager?

Wolves manager.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:38 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Do you mean Dyche or Wolves Manager?

Wolves dozed off there

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:41 pm

halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote:Wolves manager.

Definitely showing 18/1 on the actual betfair website.
25/1 with BetVictor.

Kevwando · Post by **Kevwando** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:43 pm

halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote:Wolves manager.

Still 18/1 on the exchange

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:44 pm

FFS, Betfair EXchange and is the same site as Betfair, if you look on Oddschecker you see two Betfair, Betfair Exchange is where fans bet against other fans too phrase one way.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:46 pm

CnBtruntru wrote:And I say and on Oddschecker, Nuno Espirito Santo is now just over 2/1 on Betfair exchange, now then maybe he has changed his mind.

My original post

Kevwando · Post by **Kevwando** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:53 pm

CnBtruntru wrote:My original post

Ok that's fine but on the betfair exchange he's 18/1 not 2/1

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:39 pm

Everton now losing to Watford, 1-0

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:46 pm

Big Sam is the only decent fit for them

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:50 pm

What may be most relevant is amount of money staked which is only visible on betfair.

£72k has been staked, £31 k on SD, £16k on Bfs and £11k on the other fat one

Bits and pieces on the rest

Btw Dyche now fav on beffair

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:17 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Those Nixon tweets are entirely consistent with what I've heard.

Why are you so hell bent on ruining everyone’s Sunday.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:04 pm

The fact SD not ruled out Everton will be because he's not stupid and is clearly angling for more money for himself and for the transfer budget in January.

He's going to use this interest to get what he wants, he's hardly going to come out and say he's happy to stay until he's got it.