I’m so sick of Kompany

[IanMcL]

People can talk about the moral issue but it’s just football, in the last 10 games has it looked like muric and Cullen aren’t playing for the manager?

Players don’t care about moral values when they refuse to play for clubs when they want a move away

?

[Jakubclaret]

Pace is sadly so far up VK’s anus that we could struggle next season and he’d still stick with him. Something doesn’t add up to me. Sceptical ? Yes… but he’s so far out of his depth it seems and the anderlecht fans summery of him is showing in the top league. He’s time to learn yet but I just think he’s a bit too stubborn

I seriously think the projects on its arse but he's invested that much into him he's put all his eggs in 1 basket & it's too far on to go back. Some people still have their heads in the cloud & can't grasp the financial mess the clubs in.

[Vim Fuego]

The TV coverage caught Pace (minus Teddy bear) holding hands with his wife towards the end of the match. He was sweating like a VAR official

[Cooclaret]

I disagree with this. VK isn't the same manager from 12 months ago. The pressure on him and the team will not be the same either.

The main reason to pot VK would be the reasons talked about. He's now got a track record of extreme disloyalty to the players that got him promoted. Who is going to want to join us for a grueling championship campaign, knowing that if its successful they'll be binned?

Of all VKs failings this season, and there are many. This lack of class, frankly, Is the biggest reason we should consider moving him on. How much damage has he done to his reputation with players? That reputation was his biggest asset.

[Vegas Claret]

there are some seriously ignorant ******* on here

[Hibsclaret]

There’s one thing being loyal to players and another being that they are not thought to be good enough. There is a massive gap between the £50 million plus footballers that litter the top sides of the prem and our lads that stormed the championship. The gulf between the divisions is bigger than it has ever been and we just haven’t adapted quickly enough. When you add the dozens of silly mistakes and the fact that we lost 2 loanees that were good enough where we are is not a great surprise. I can see this side ripping the championship a new one next season tbh.

[Carlos the Great]

I can’t see us ripping up the championship .. let’s see what the squad looks like before saying we gonna run away with it … is Berge staying ? Muric .. there is going to be an exodus of Ayers and it will be the ones we want to stay that’s most likely to leave. .: I think we will be lucky to get in the top 6 next season

[Newcastleclaret93]

I can’t see us ripping up the championship .. let’s see what the squad looks like before saying we gonna run away with it … is Berge staying ? Muric .. there is going to be an exodus of Ayers and it will be the ones we want to stay that’s most likely to leave. .: I think we will be lucky to get in the top 6 next season

Honestly after watching a fair bit of championship this season the quality is truly **** poor.

It would be a failure of epic proportions if we arnt automatically promoted next season.

We should have the squad with the most ability and in theory have the most funds available after a few sales.

The only thing that I think is different this time round is pressure. Probably for the first time VKs career he has pressure to perform now. Theres only one acceptable result for him next season and that is promotion

[ArmchairDetective]

Those that want rid of VK and can't see past his mistakes this season, who do you propose we get in instead of him?

He might have made a couple of mistakes this season (he might not - who knows what goes on behind the scenes) but surely it's worth seeing past that and supporting him to do what he did last year? Can you genuinely think of a better option?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Those that want rid of VK and can't see past his mistakes this season, who do you propose we get in instead of him?

He might have made a couple of mistakes this season (he might not - who knows what goes on behind the scenes) but surely it's worth seeing past that and supporting him to do what he did last year? Can you genuinely think of a better option?

I guess it depends on your long term goals?

I’m personally in the camp I’m not sure he’s who we want long term. He reminds me of Farke, plays good football at championship level but can’t fathom the premier league.

There’s plenty of managers around that would be able to get our lads promoted next season. Let’s face it we will have the strongest squad by some distance

[AGENT_CLARET]

Those that want rid of VK and can't see past his mistakes this season, who do you propose we get in instead of him?

He might have made a couple of mistakes this season (he might not - who knows what goes on behind the scenes) but surely it's worth seeing past that and supporting him to do what he did last year? Can you genuinely think of a better option?

For me he gets 8/10 in the Championship if we aren't in the top 6 by then he gets binned, if we are promoted back to the Premier league then again we give him 8/10 game's if its looking like he's learnt nothing from this season then that is the time to get rid

[ksrclaret]

I just hope those who’ve used the total cost of each squad as a mitigating factor this season will be as quick to point out how we’ve got the huge advantage next season. Well in excess of £100m on a Championship team.

[AGENT_CLARET]

I just hope those who’ve used the total cost of each squad as a mitigating factor this season will be as quick to point out how we’ve got the huge advantage next season. Well in excess of £100m on a Championship team.

And it will show when we walk the league again

[ksrclaret]

And it will show when we walk the league again

Stop by mine on your way home tonight. I’ve got a few things to sell that I think you’ll be very interested in.

[thelifeofbrian]

VK overthinks thing, he's stubborn and naïve and his in- game management leaves a lot to be desired.

This season is on him- with the squad we have we should be staying up IMO

[boyyanno]

People can snigger but I thought he should have gone months ago- I didn't feel like we were playing the right team or getting the most out of what we have/had. To some extent this was proved right after the upturn in form when Muric and Cullen came back.

The biggest issue for me is what I've heard and seen. I pointed out some time ago when Kompany did an interview pre Christmas where he said in order for is to improve we needed "better" personnel. I was laughed at for mentioning it but as I said at the time it goes against everything I know about management. Kompany will do well for a market leader in its respective division because it's possible to just get better players. But he's never going to be successful with us in the PL if that's his philosophy. I look at the business we've done and we replaced potential with potential that has a slightly higher pedigree. We've not done anything in terms of style, tactics or athleticism to try and earn our place in this league, we've just tried to get better players and hoped it would carry us through.

Some of this is also down to the board clearly prioritising future potential but a lot of what has gone wrong this year is down to Kompany in my opinion.

He's still the manager so I'll back him for next season but he'll have to take us back up for him not to be deemed a failure. Plenty on here have made the claim that we are a much better side than the one that got over 100 points so I assume for all of them anything less than that is a failure is it not?

[Silkyskills1]

Of course just the ‘dross that I think is dross’. I expect the board to act on my personal opinions. Imagine sharing opinions on a message board. What an idiot.

Bit like a desperate Tory you've avoided the questions? To save time I'll ask again, what league position is acceptable, how much would you like to see him able to spend, and which players would you like to see the back of? They are your conditions for Kompany remaining. You said so a few posts back. Haven't said I disagree with what you think but am curious for something more than just sweeping statements. Enjoy the good weather today.

[Murger]

Anything less than automatic promotion should be deemed a failure.

[Vegas Claret]

I guess it depends on your long term goals?

I’m personally in the camp I’m not sure he’s who we want long term. He reminds me of Farke, plays good football at championship level but can’t fathom the premier league.

There’s plenty of managers around that would be able to get our lads promoted next season. Let’s face it we will have the strongest squad by some distance

Bit mental pointing the blame completely at VK, I'm sure if he had his way and money was no issue he would have signed 13 world class Premier League ready and experienced players, as it was it's pretty clear what drives the recruitment. Circumstance.

[123EasyasBFC]

I guess it depends on your long term goals?

I’m personally in the camp I’m not sure he’s who we want long term. He reminds me of Farke, plays good football at championship level but can’t fathom the premier league.

There’s plenty of managers around that would be able to get our lads promoted next season. Let’s face it we will have the strongest squad by some distance

Which other managers around would you back to get us promoted?

[Neil]

Which other managers around would you back to get us promoted?

There will be good managers around Europe or even further afield that most of us won't have even heard of.

Would Kompany have been many people's first choice this time two years ago?

[ClaretAL]

Bit mental pointing the blame completely at VK, I'm sure if he had his way and money was no issue he would have signed 13 world class Premier League ready and experienced players, as it was it's pretty clear what drives the recruitment. Circumstance.

I agree with that, however VK needs to learn who is best squad is quicker than he has this season, and for me (all about opinions) he still has not learned that Taylor is a better left back than Vitiniho, I just cant fathom some of his team selection sometimes.

[123EasyasBFC]

There will be good managers around Europe or even further afield that most of us won't have even heard of.

Would Kompany have been many people's first choice this time two years ago?

Do you go with another manager from Europe or stick with a manager who has won the championship before?

[CoolClaret]

Is this some kind of parody account? cool claret my arse!!!

I didn't start the thread!

Oh and, Kompany in.

[CoolClaret]

There’s one thing being loyal to players and another being that they are not thought to be good enough. There is a massive gap between the £50 million plus footballers that litter the top sides of the prem and our lads that stormed the championship. The gulf between the divisions is bigger than it has ever been and we just haven’t adapted quickly enough. When you add the dozens of silly mistakes and the fact that we lost 2 loanees that were good enough where we are is not a great surprise. I can see this side ripping the championship a new one next season tbh.

I don't really buy this tbh.

There are so many ex champ players that are ripping it up in the PL. We just made poor signings and strange personnel decisions.

Swap Traff for Tella, one less winger and a proper left back/rotation left back and we probably stay up this season.

The biggest indictment for me (and I've said it for ages) is that we simply have far too much ££££ tied up in players that barely made an impact and for our best run of the season didn't even feature.

£65 mill ish on Ramsey, Traff, Tresor and Amdouni is honking. Properly honking.

[Neil]

Do you go with another manager from Europe or stick with a manager who has won the championship before?

Personally I'd stick with him, for now, but he's not the be all and end all some seem to think.

[123EasyasBFC]

Personally I'd stick with him, for now, but he's not the be all and end all some seem to think.

Of course he’s not, I don’t think any manager in the world is the be all and end all. Pep is pretty close but helps when you are funded by a state

[Newcastleclaret93]

Which other managers around would you back to get us promoted?

I think we need try and find a nice medium between Kompany and Dyche.

So I’ve gone for some managers that are a little bit more experienced but have also got a bit of flair about them.

Christian Ilzer
Alexander Blessin
Alvaro Pacheco

Pretty confident they could all get us promoted.

But who knows who we could attract. None of us really know the realities of the finances in play

[KRBFC]

I don't really buy this tbh.

There are so many ex champ players that are ripping it up in the PL. We just made poor signings and strange personnel decisions.

Swap Traff for Tella, one less winger and a proper left back/rotation left back and we probably stay up this season.

The biggest indictment for me (and I've said it for ages) is that we simply have far too much ££££ tied up in players that barely made an impact and for our best run of the season didn't even feature.

£65 mill ish on Ramsey, Traff, Tresor and Amdouni is honking. Properly honking.

We don’t even know if Tresor has signed yet
Trafford was well thought of at the time
Ramsey hasn’t really got started yet, clearly a buy for the longer term

[CoolClaret]

We don’t even know if Tresor has signed yet
Trafford was well thought of at the time
Ramsey hasn’t really got started yet, clearly a buy for the longer term

I'm purely talking about the signings for this season and the semantics doesn't matter either way.

Traff signing was ludicrous - another one I said at the time and got pelters for. Just pure idiocy and not what we needed at all.

[Robbie_painter]

I'm purely talking about the signings for this season and the semantics doesn't matter either way.

Traff signing was ludicrous - another one I said at the time and got pelters for. Just pure idiocy and not what we needed at all.

England under 21 international,Boltons player of the year.Pure idiocy - no.Badly managed - absolutely.

[Swizzlestick]

Conor Bradley was Bolton’s player of the year. It hasn’t been a good signing.

[Cooclaret]

Trafford will likely go to the Euros as #3, will be Englands #1 for years to come.

[Robbie_painter]

Conor Bradley was Bolton’s player of the year. It hasn’t been a good signing.

Not yet it hasn’t but just like others you’re willing to write him off after being thrown in at the deep end and one season in the prem.When did Burnley fans become so ******* entitled?

[123EasyasBFC]

England under 21 international,Boltons player of the year.Pure idiocy - no.Badly managed - absolutely.

Trafford signing was idiocy, it’s one thing the club not thinking muric is good enough but to replace him with a keeper who was just ok at league one for 15m. There can never be an explanation for it. Sadly Trafford will never be successful at Burnley due to this season

[Swizzlestick]

Not yet it hasn’t but just like others you’re willing to write him off after being thrown in at the deep end and one season in the prem.When did Burnley fans become so ******* entitled?

Entitled? For giving an opinion on a player? Where have I written him off? I said it hasn’t been a good signing - and it hasn’t been. We paid a hell of a lot of money for him and dumped our first choice keeper for him. He could turn out to be Courtois but the reality is, so far, it hasn’t worked out.

Even Kompany has swallowed his pride and worked that out

[Silkyskills1]

I think we need try and find a nice medium between Kompany and Dyche.

So I’ve gone for some managers that are a little bit more experienced but have also got a bit of flair about them.

Christian Ilzer
Alexander Blessin
Alvaro Pacheco

Pretty confident they could all get us promoted.

But who knows who we could attract. None of us really know the realities of the finances in play

That list demonstrates your vast knowledge of international football. Never heard of any of them but that doesn't matter. So, who are they and what have they done? Would they see Burnley as a step up?

[Robbie_painter]

Trafford signing was idiocy, it’s one thing the club not thinking muric is good enough but to replace him with a keeper who was just ok at league one for 15m. There can never be an explanation for it. Sadly Trafford will never be successful at Burnley due to this season

I sort of agree,he should never have been chucked straight in I honestly thought he would’ve been playing in the cup etc but I still think it’s too early to say he’s been a bad signing.

[vinrogue]

Last season you could guarantee more often than not 3 fresh players on after 60 minutes. Lots of the squad playing and involved all pulling in the same direction. Whilst Benson may not be good enough for the PL, he really hasn't had a chance, whilst Cork maybe has a good 60 minutes in his legs and buckets of experience he hasn't had a chance, add Cullen & Muric etc who waited far to long to get a chance and VK unwilling to use his squad this season and then I ask myself the title of this thread. No I'm not sick of Kompany, he would have in my book one more season and if promoted a third of the next PL campaign to prove he has learnt and gained experience. Still in the Championship at the end of next season will be time to change. Should we beat Spurs and Forest, Luton fail in their two games I will indeed believe in unicorns!

[CoolClaret]

England under 21 international

Literally means nothing.

Boltons player of the year

A PL team should not be signing a player that finished 6th in League One to be starting from the off, especially when their keeper was a key cog in one of the best ever Championship teams.

Pure idiocy - no.Badly managed - absolutely.

Pure idiocy yes, badly managed yes.

[Robbie_painter]

Literally means nothing.



A PL team should not be signing a player that finished 6th in League One to be starting from the off, especially when their keeper was a key cog in one of the best ever Championship teams.



Pure idiocy yes, badly managed yes.

It means everything,good young English players go for big money as well you know.Im not pro Trafford anti muric by any stretch because until Saturday the defence has looked a lot better with Muric behind them.

[123EasyasBFC]

It’s more the price paid for Trafford is the issue, I would have felt the same had we splashed the same amount of money on Verbruggen to. To spend best part of 15m on any keeper at 21 year old is mental for a club like Burnley

[CoolClaret]

It’s more the price paid for Trafford is the issue, I would have felt the same had we splashed the same amount of money on Verbruggen to. To spend best part of 15m on any keeper at 21 year old is mental for a club like Burnley

Absolutely this.

It means everything,good young English players go for big money as well you know.Im not pro Trafford anti muric by any stretch because until Saturday the defence has looked a lot better with Muric behind them.

It's not about player here (that's for another thread), it's more about the context of the signing, who we already had on the books and who/what we needed for the season/division.

I just hated the entire approach to the season tbh. Tried to run before we even could walk. Very bizarre all round.

[Cooclaret]

Interesting to see some very influential members of this board openly admitting that Kompany could be replaced by another manager…

[randomclaret2]

Interesting to see some very influential members of this board openly admitting that Kompany could be replaced by another manager…

Influential with those who decide who the club's manager is ?

[NewClaret]

I’m still 100% behind Kompany. I also don’t think anything good ever comes from clubs chopping and changing managers, least of all clubs like ours.

Lost in the midst of some poor decisions and results this year are that we have identified and signed some exceptional young talent with really high ceilings if we develop them properly. The right back joining from Ajax in summer being another example of that continuing.

I think signing young, exciting talent HAS to be the way forward for us even if making that model work at premier league level has escaped us this time (and may do in future).

I think Kompany is perfectly suited for this approach and seems to enjoy the coaching and development side of the role a lot, which is perfect for us.

[ArmchairDetective]

Interesting to see some very influential members of this board openly admitting that Kompany could be replaced by another manager…

Where? Think I've missed this. Saw CT say he'd take Moyes tomorrow but nothing to suggest VK could be replaced, or nothing more than how any manager could be replaced at some point?

[warksclaret]

It’s more the price paid for Trafford is the issue, I would have felt the same had we splashed the same amount of money on Verbruggen to. To spend best part of 15m on any keeper at 21 year old is mental for a club like Burnley

I think Pep saw him coming

[NewClaret]

Sorry, PSV not Ajax.

[scamander]

It’s more the price paid for Trafford is the issue, I would have felt the same had we splashed the same amount of money on Verbruggen to. To spend best part of 15m on any keeper at 21 year old is mental for a club like Burnley

Good point, goalies generally peak much later in their careers. A young one may have bags of potential but it's rare that they will be able to operate at the highest levels until they have a good amount of experience under their belt.

There were possibly some dull but experienced keepers out there. That said the issues with the team shouldn't be solely predicated on the goalie. We have been left wanting in most areas of the pitch.