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Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:34 am

Steddyman wrote:This has got “Thursday: 9am: Chris Boden: We’ve been told to stand-down, no more transfer activity expected barring any late surprises” written all over it.

Would David Jones be classed as a late surprise?

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:42 am

Shock horror he’s already being written off even before he’s signed. Thank god he’s not Irish and we are trying to loan him from Stoke.
Blimey imagine deciding a 29 year old title winning midfielder who 2 years ago was in the England squad isn’t going to be good enough for us!?

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:44 am

I would rather sign a potentially slightly rusty Drinkwater on loan than spend £18-20m + Vydra on Phillips (who may well prove not good enough for this league, like so many others).

Drinkwater might take a couple more weeks than the others to shake off pre-season but when he is up to scratch we would have markedly improved upon both Westwood and Cork, which is surely everyone's hope?

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:46 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Shock horror he’s already being written off even before he’s signed. Thank god he’s not Irish and we are trying to loan him from Stoke.
Blimey imagine deciding a 29 year old title winning midfielder who 2 years ago was in the England squad isn’t going to be good enough for us!?

Who has written him off ?
Why is stuff just made up on here ?
Expressing concern about the fact that nobody has seen him kick a ball for 2 years and whether he has match sharpness / still as good as he was etc seems pretty logical to me....more logical than expecting he will be as good as he was at Leicester.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:47 am

TVC15 wrote:Who has written him off ?
Why is stuff just made up on here ?
Expressing concern about the fact that nobody has seen him kick a ball for 2 years and whether he has match sharpness / still as good as he was etc seems pretty logical to me....more logical than expecting he will be as good as he was at Leicester.

Sorry I’ve misread the really positive posts on the previous page about possibly signing him!?

Swizzlestick · Post by **Swizzlestick** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:55 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Shock horror he’s already being written off even before he’s signed. Thank god he’s not Irish and we are trying to loan him from Stoke.
Blimey imagine deciding a 29 year old title winning midfielder who 2 years ago was in the England squad isn’t going to be good enough for us!?

Not one person has written him off. You should be a speech writer for Trump with that level of embellishment. Just voicing quite legitimate concerns about whether he's the right option for us.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:57 am

TVC15 wrote:Who has written him off ?
Why is stuff just made up on here ?
Expressing concern about the fact that nobody has seen him kick a ball for 2 years and whether he has match sharpness / still as good as he was etc seems pretty logical to me....more logical than expecting he will be as good as he was at Leicester.

As long as he'd had a pre-season I'm not sure why he'd be any less match sharp than the rest. Our players haven't played a Premier League game for nearly three months, I suspect sharpness drops pretty fast in that time and you're unlikely to be much ahead of someone who hasn't played for two years.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:57 am

Swizzlestick wrote:Not one person has written him off. You should be a speech writer for Trump with that level of embellishment. Just voicing quite legitimate concerns about whether he's the right option for us.

Yeh maybe he’s forgotten how to play football while training at Chelsea for the past 2 years.

williamjblazkowicz · Post by **williamjblazkowicz** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:00 am

A few people have mentioned Drinkwater hasn't played for two years. Not trying to be pedantic but he played fairly regularly for Chelsea late 2017 and early 2018. So it's really a year and a half if that helps

Cubanclaret · Post by **Cubanclaret** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:04 am

I suggested Drinkwater might have been a worthwhile loan back in the Christmas window, even at those wages as we gambled with PL survival; thankfully McNeil and Westwood emerged instead.
If I’m not mistaken we were linked with him before Leicester had their title winning campaign (possibly by lazy journalists), a move back to the North West might suit him more than, say, a Camarasa type.
Hard to imagine how we’d consolidate the wages part of the deal but it will depend on how much he wants to play football.

Swizzlestick · Post by **Swizzlestick** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:05 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Yeh maybe he’s forgotten how to play football while training at Chelsea for the past 2 years.

Yeah, you've just done it again.

northernpowerhouse · Post by **northernpowerhouse** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:06 am

Drinkwater would be a fantastic signing. So what if he hasn't played for two years? He's 29 and hasn't had any major injuries... What exactly do people think will have happened to him?

Cubanclaret · Post by **Cubanclaret** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:10 am

Just to qualify my earlier comment, Just seen on Twitter from Bodes that Dyche knows Drinkwater from a spell at Watford when Dyche was assistant to malky mackay (remember him?). You’d hope such things make a difference, still the issue of a considerable wage adjustment !

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:11 am

Cubanclaret wrote:If I’m not mistaken we were linked with him before Leicester had their title winning campaign (possibly by lazy journalists)

Leicester were quite happy to get rid of him at the time.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:20 am

Spijed wrote:Leicester were quite happy to get rid of him at the time.

I think the £35m Chelsea paid them might have had something to do with that.

CharlieinNewMexico · Post by **CharlieinNewMexico** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:22 am

Spijed wrote:Leicester were quite happy to get rid of him at the time.

•••••for 35 mill, which is the equivalent of 60 mill these days.

He's in all the pics of Frank Lampard's Chelsea doing pre season. Strewth, "hasn't kicked a ball in 2 years"...what a bunch of exaggerating drama queens

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:25 am

Drinkwater would be an excellent acquisition.

Zom Zom · Post by **Zom Zom** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:28 am

I would say we are raising the bar with attention turning to such players as Drinkwater. There's a mix of views, and we're all entitled to them, but he would surely be welcomed with open arms. Regardless of our recent history, we still have an element among us who want to pick holes in everything we do.
If players such as Drinkwater are not adequate for us, then how on earth did some of you cope when we were signing the likes of Lee Howey?

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:31 am

Amazing how Drinkwater is being written off as not having played for 2 years yet half this board were salivating at the prospect of our very own sick note Defour being fit for the start of the season......

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:32 am

Herts Clarets wrote:Amazing how Drinkwater is being written off as not having played for 2 years yet half this board were salivating at the prospect of our very own sick note Defour being fit for the start of the season......

You love Defour

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:33 am

Danny Drinkwater is 29. Would I rather we went for Phillps? Of course I would. However, the idea that he’d be finished at 29 is ridiculous, and he’s still an upgrade on what we have surely.

AndyClaret · Post by **AndyClaret** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:38 am

Camarasa having a medical at Palace.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:38 am

SGr wrote:Danny Drinkwater is 29. Would I rather we went for Phillps? Of course I would. However, the idea that he’d be finished at 29 is ridiculous, and he’s still an upgrade on what we have surely.

We'll probably all be crying on this board on Friday when we've signed nobody and the discussions will al be pointless

I'm normally a glass half full person but not feeling too optimistic about signing a midfielder at this stage.

CharlieinNewMexico · Post by **CharlieinNewMexico** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:39 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:You love Defour

My God. A Drinkwater / Defour midfield 2. It'd be like buying a Lambo and a Lotus and having them up on blocks just so you could have a **** in the garage <3

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:41 am

Firthy wrote:We'll probably all be crying on this board on Friday when we've signed nobody and the discussions will al be pointless I'm normally a glass half full person but not feeling too optimistic about signing a midfielder at this stage.

Neither am I. Imagine today we’ll hear plenty then tomorrow Dyche will do his presser, tell us it’s “unlikely anything more gets” done, then Boden gets the official stand down.

If that is the case, then the window has simply failed to deliver.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:44 am

Camarasa going to Palace. Undergoing a medical. Another one bites the dust.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:46 am

AndyClaret wrote:Camarasa having a medical at Palace.

They’re buying McCarthy for £3m too - is their tactic this season to buy anyone so that other teams around them can’t?

I just hope their approach fails...

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:47 am

jrgbfc wrote:Its David Jones we're talking about, not Andrea Pirlo. I liked Jones, but it's clutching at straws to suggest playing alongside him in a glorified kick about is going to massively help Benson's development.

Oh no it's not, for a young lad to get a game alongside a player with Jones' experience and quality, could be a hell of a help in his development. Never underestimate what a young player can gain from that.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:49 am

Somethingfishy wrote:Camarasa going to Palace. Undergoing a medical. Another one bites the dust.

I'm not sure, other than a bit of speculation, there was ever anything in it. Seems these days that they like to throw in another club or two into the media. From what I'm told he was always going to Palace.

PremierLeagueClass · Post by **PremierLeagueClass** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:51 am

Think we will sign anyone Tony?

NickBFC · Post by **NickBFC** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:52 am

I wonder if there is anything in the Abdoulaye Touré rumours? Plenty of sources in France saying we are still very keen with suggestions Nantes will only want £10-11m for him. Apparent interest in Germany but he seems keen on a move to the Premier League. At 25 and Nantes player of the season he sounds a good bet.

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:52 am

Is this the same Danny Drinkwater that has played an active part in Chelsea's pre-season games including 20 odd minutes in a 2-1 win over Barcelona?

If it's that one then he will be fine.

If it's the one that hasn't kicked a ball for 2 years then perhaps not.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:52 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Sorry I’ve misread the really positive posts on the previous page about possibly signing him!?

That’s ok - there’s plenty of positive posts. Maybe you just chose to pretend they didn’t exist just like you chose to pretend that he was being written off by people ?
My comment was that he would be a great signing if we got the player he was at Leicester (and not just the title winning season as he was a very good player before that). But yep I do have concerns over someone who has spent so long not playing first team football - especially as he has picked up a few injuries at Chelsea.

How many times have we heard managers like Dyche say that whilst players can look fit in training you can’t tell how sharp or ready they are until they play competitive games ? Yet plenty on here seem to think it’s ok for him just to have trained for the last 18 months / 2 years.

If Dyche thinks he can regain his old form that’s good enough for me...we need a central midfielder so great if we get one that he wants.

BigChaCha · Post by **BigChaCha** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:52 am

The wage is not an issue for me if it's a season loan .... £100k a week, so £400k roughly per month - 10 months x £400k = 4m for a season.

Considering you would be paying a good 20m for a younger player of the same quality which would average out at 5m over a 4 year contract and wages on top, I see it as good value.

The down sides are that there is no profit to be made on a future sale like you would potentially get on a purchase and also keeping the players happy who are on a lower wage, although with signing on fees and other clever financial tactics, that can be negated.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:56 am

Who's Drinkwater going to replace in the starting eleven?

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:56 am

BigChaCha wrote:The wage is not an issue for me if it's a season loan .... £100k a week, so £400k roughly per month - 10 months x £400k = 4m for a season.

Considering you would be paying a good 20m for a younger player of the same quality which would average out at 5m over a 4 year contract and wages on top, I see it as good value.

The down sides are that there is no profit to be made on a future sale like you would potentially get on a purchase and also keeping the players happy who are on a lower wage, although with signing on fees and other clever financial tactics, that can be negated.

If you believe what you read on here, Hart was on massive wages last season and it split the dressing room. Then again it might have been made up.

AndyClaret · Post by **AndyClaret** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:58 am

ClaretTony wrote:I'm not sure, other than a bit of speculation, there was ever anything in it. Seems these days that they like to throw in another club or two into the media. From what I'm told he was always going to Palace.

Warnock said Burnley asked him for a reference for him.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:59 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:Who's Drinkwater going to replace in the starting eleven?

Cork?

up_the_clarets_1989 · Post by **up_the_clarets_1989** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:59 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:Who's Drinkwater going to replace in the starting eleven?

Surely he’d walk into our central midfield over Cork and Westwood. I know he’s not played regularly for a while, but he was a key part of Leicester winning the league.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:59 am

Bare in mind in addition to covering his wages for around £4m for the season, Chelsea would probably want a loan fee as well.

I would bet it would cost about £10m all in for the season to sign Drinkwater on loan. In the absence of signing anyone else I think it's worth it, personally.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:01 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:Who's Drinkwater going to replace in the starting eleven?

I think he would play alongside Westwood, in place of Cork - personally. Cork has been a good signing for us and still has a part to play, but this summer for me was always about seeking a viable alternative to him. I feel he has lost a bit.

Just my opinion!

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:01 am

TVC15 wrote:That’s ok - there’s plenty of positive posts. Maybe you just chose to pretend they didn’t exist just like you chose to pretend that he was being written off by people ?
My comment was that he would be a great signing if we got the player he was at Leicester (and not just the title winning season as he was a very good player before that). But yep I do have concerns over someone who has spent so long not playing first team football - especially as he has picked up a few injuries at Chelsea.

How many times have we heard managers like Dyche say that whilst players can look fit in training you can’t tell how sharp or ready they are until they play competitive games ? Yet plenty on here seem to think it’s ok for him just to have trained for the last 18 months / 2 years.

If Dyche thinks he can regain his old form that’s good enough for me...we need a central midfielder so great if we get one that he wants.

Don’t be such a little worrier.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:03 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Don’t be such a little worrier.

Same to you.

Don’t worry if he’s being written off on here (even though he’s not but don’t let that stop you worrying). Don’t get your knickers in a twist about it. Don’t cry over your keyboard about it.

NickBFC · Post by **NickBFC** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:03 am

jedi_master wrote:Bare in mind in addition to covering his wages for around £4m for the season, Chelsea would probably want a loan fee as well.

I would bet it would cost about £10m all in for the season to sign Drinkwater on loan. In the absence of signing anyone else I think it's worth it, personally.

Not sure it would cost as much as £10m, but I agree, in our circumstances and at this stage I think if it's possible then we would be wise to do a deal. He would be an excellent signing despite lack of regular football in recent times.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:04 am

AndyClaret wrote:Warnock said Burnley asked him for a reference for him.

No, Warnock said that Palace had asked for a reference and that Burnley were one of the other clubs who enquired.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:04 am

jedi_master wrote:I think he would play alongside Westwood, in place of Cork - personally. Cork has been a good signing for us and still has a part to play, but this summer for me was always about seeking a viable alternative to him. I feel he has lost a bit.

Just my opinion!

Those were my thoughts too.

If he can show the form he did at Leicester in that role we’ll have a hell of a player.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:05 am

If we're replacing one of our starting eleven with a loan player we should be looking at replacing them with someone permanently.

Astronomical wages will surely create some issues amongst the other senior players. Can't see this happening myself.

If he came on a 3 year deal on 45k a week then yes. But as it is, I feel his wages are just too much.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:05 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Don’t be such a little worrier.

I’m not worried at all but you feel free to carry on making sh-it up.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:05 am

Not sure if the ship has sailed for him with his age but it’s the Euro’s next year.
It wasn’t long ago he was in the England squad either.

AndyClaret · Post by **AndyClaret** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:08 am

ClaretTony wrote:No, Warnock said that Palace had asked for a reference and that Burnley were one of the other clubs who enquired.

So it's not made up then.