Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[bobinho]

No doubt he is, but his words suggest that he see himself playing at a higher level than the Championship. Take a look and listen tot the video clip at the bottom of the linked article in Greenwood's post from Wednesday.

Whilst originally very excited about Amdouni, nothing I have seen from him so far leads me to think he has any right to ply his trade at the higher level.

[Somethingfishy]

I don't know if this has already been said (and I apologise if it has) but the Odobert deal has another big consequence/upside to it besides the fee/profit.
It illustrates to other young and gifted players that we may approach that coming to Burnley (and performing) can be a big big step in their career and it becomes a proven pathway to greater things. This could potentially allow us to sign talented youngsters that wouldn't otherwise give us the time of day. Agents will be very interested too. This can only advance the model over time.

[boatshed bill]

Any ideas as to how much we earned excluding transfers in the last 2 seasons?
It seems to get ignored.

[boatshed bill]

Whilst originally very excited about Amdouni, nothing I have seen from him so far leads me to think he has any right to ply his trade at the higher level.

There's lots of almost premier standard leagues he could (should) get a game in.
Best he gets his agent on the case if he wants away.
Doubt he'd be missed particularly.

[summitclaret]

"If he is, a front line of Foster, Amdouni behind, Koleosho and any of our other wide options is pretty compelling at this level."

It didn't work last year and left us hopelessly outnumbered in cm week after week. It might work in the Championship, especially at home.

Using Vitineo in a hybrid wide/cm role at Luton worked for me. If Zeki is fit for tomorrow and Sander isn't, I'd bring the former in as the only change and play him in the same role that Odobert played the other night.

[dermotdermot]

More importantly, why would we consider bringing Mee back at all?

Well I, for one, wouldn’t dream of you back either.

[Steddyman]

I'd love to see Wout stay. I'd ignore anything his agent says, he'll be desperate for more selling commission.

[SirBob]

Well I, for one, wouldn’t dream of you back either.

How long were you two an item?

[BigGaz]

I don't doubt Amdouni has the technical quality for this level but I am not sure anyone, including our manager this year mercifully, is going to be wearing him half arsing it.

Based on last season, at this exact moment in time, If someone said to me we could take a loss on him at 10m but that would be the end of our outgoings (other than the fringe we want to move on) then I'd bite their hand off.

Although **** knows. If Parker can get a grip of him he could be just the ticket and as someone said above if he can get involved more than the prospect of him, Koleosho and Foster + 1 is frightening at this level.

[claretspice]

"If he is, a front line of Foster, Amdouni behind, Koleosho and any of our other wide options is pretty compelling at this level."

It didn't work last year and left us hopelessly outnumbered in cm week after week. It might work in the Championship, especially at home.

Using Vitineo in a hybrid wide/cm role at Luton worked for me. If Zeki is fit for tomorrow and Sander isn't, I'd bring the former in as the only change and play him in the same role that Odobert played the other night.

Yeah you said it - we're in the Championship now not the Premier League, and the whole game is different as a result. We'll have more of the ball, more space and be less vulnerable when we lose the ball.

Vitinho is a worthy option out wide and we should have used him out wide well before we did last season, and I suspect he'll be an option wide right at times this season. One of several good options we have, and he might make the role his own, but on paper others are more likely to unlock stubborn defences and he's also a genuine competition at right back.

[Spijed]

Think he did ok for us but lacks the pace of Odebert or Koleosho

Looked to have more ability though.

[northeastclaret]

Looked to have more ability though.

Are you sure ? Many would disagree, also he lacks physicality and heart for me. At the moment group his second half of the seasons performances with Tresors.

[claretspice]

I don't doubt Amdouni has the technical quality for this level but I am not sure anyone, including our manager this year mercifully, is going to be wearing him half arsing it.

Based on last season, at this exact moment in time, If someone said to me we could take a loss on him at 10m but that would be the end of our outgoings (other than the fringe we want to move on) then I'd bite their hand off.

Although **** knows. If Parker can get a grip of him he could be just the ticket and as someone said above if he can get involved more than the prospect of him, Koleosho and Foster + 1 is frightening at this level.

I was very critical of Amdouni last season. I thought his movement off the ball and work when we lost ot increasingly lacked as the season went on.

But I think there was a significant mental element to that. I think he found the whole thing of being in a struggling team in which he was struggling very hard to adapt to. I also think he struggled to find a role in a team that couldn't afford an outright number 10. He's had a year to adapt now and it's a gentler level.

[northeastclaret]

What I always compare when looking at Amdouni is the Burnley player that played for us in a similar role at a similar age . Danny Ings , he is not fit to lace his boots, in the way he was the complete player for that role. Linking midfield and attack , excellent control, , direct, plenty of energy , goals, plenty of heart etc.

[claretspice]

What I always compare when looking at Amdouni is the Burnley player that played for us in a similar role at a similar age . Danny Ings , he is not fit to lace his boots, in the way he was the complete player for that role. Linking midfield and attack , excellent control, , direct, plenty of energy , goals, plenty of heart etc.

The difference is that Ings learnt his trade and became the main man in the Championship and then took thst confidence into the PL. Amdouni was parachuted into a scratch team of Premier League novices thrown together on the eve of the season.

[BigGaz]

Exactly the same Spice. We now know it may well have not been the best environment to be involved in and my hypothetical situation would never happen so he's worth giving a few games to at the very least.

[KRBFC]

What I always compare when looking at Amdouni is the Burnley player that played for us in a similar role at a similar age . Danny Ings , he is not fit to lace his boots, in the way he was the complete player for that role. Linking midfield and attack , excellent control, , direct, plenty of energy , goals, plenty of heart etc.

And how many years was Ings here before it clicked for him?

[northeastclaret]

And how many years was Ings here before it clicked for him?

His first full season after recovering from a serious knee injury that kept him out for a year.

[123EasyasBFC]

His first full season after recovering from a serious knee injury that kept him out for a year.

In the championship not the premier league

[northeastclaret]

In the championship not the premier league

Whatever the league, physicality and heart can be demonstrated and he totally lacked those last season. All the other attributes he is no comparison to Ings. I will pick one , ‘completing a pass’ How often did moves break down with Amdouni as compared to Ingses link play and end product, whatever league he was playing in.

[Pearcey]

I’d like Amdouni to stay just for the coolness he showed when he scored that pen against England . I actually think there’s a player there and I’d like to see him in the Championship.

[Hedontplayforyou]

It’s his desire and work rate that lack, alongside his decision making . Coach him correctly and add some spice and there’s real potential. Albeit some people just don’t have that fiery, gritty side inside them. I think he’s be superb if he worked harder

[CrosspoolClarets]

I like Zeki but I found it funny that article mentioned self confidence. He certainly lost it in the second half of last season.

I tend to think poorly of players who think they are too good for the Championship after going under the year before. Odobert is different, he stuck it out last year and had some good outcomes. Zeki’s were good early in the season, poor thereafter.

[Quickenthetempo]

Whatever the league, physicality and heart can be demonstrated and he totally lacked those last season. All the other attributes he is no comparison to Ings. I will pick one , ‘completing a pass’ How often did moves break down with Amdouni as compared to Ingses link play and end product, whatever league he was playing in.

I don't remember much about Ings's time here but I do remember him bottling a penalty against Leicester.

Compare that to Zeki being ice cold slotting home the pen at Old Trafford. That's something you can't coach.

[Andingle]

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[burnley007]

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That makes no sense.

[dandeclaret]

What I always compare when looking at Amdouni is the Burnley player that played for us in a similar role at a similar age . Danny Ings , he is not fit to lace his boots, in the way he was the complete player for that role. Linking midfield and attack , excellent control, , direct, plenty of energy , goals, plenty of heart etc.

Didn’t Ings score 2 in his first 46 appearances for Burnley? Amdouni at a similar stage with Burnley has far exceeded that. And at a higher level.

[Burnley1989]

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I'd be amazed if there was anything in that, Vitinho will be starting most weeks and could be back in the Premier league next season.
Who knows, but I very much doubt it

[ClaretFelix]

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Could do with resisting this if at all possible. Very raw when he came in, but we have seen his development over the course of the last 2 seasons and his versatility gives us plenty of options both defensively and going forwards.

We only bought him for about a million so can probably afford to gamble on keeping him unless silly money is thrown at him, or his desire to return to Brazil is so strong he would be willing to forego another crack at the championship and potentially Premier League.

[willsclarets]

No idea and I think this is the problem; will other players now feel they are owed moves if offers come in?

Hoping we had a strategy around it anyway. Although I loved Odobert and don’t really believe the fee is that great for him when Olise is going for double (I think we’d have got more in a few years, anyway) - I can accept if he’s playing in the 10 we’re stacked there.

Amdouni likely gets the not but neither he or JBG are going to make the run like Odobert did for the Luton goal. I do think selling may end up putting us in a worse financial position if it puts promotion at risk but think we can handle selling Odobert if he’s the main sale.

I love jbg, but if you think he has the pace to score the goal odobert did i think you're dreaming. But I agree with the rest, plenty of options. Still got Ramsey and Tresor as well as Amdouni in the 10 role too.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Not a rumour with a linked player but I've watched both Oxford games so far because they come up and are new to us and we play them in a couple of weeks, they have a player I'd love at Burnley a midfielder called Cameron Brannagan, a cracking player and goal scorer

[bobinho]

I don't remember much about Ings's time here but I do remember him bottling a penalty against Leicester.

Compare that to Zeki being ice cold slotting home the pen at Old Trafford. That's something you can't coach.

Of course you can coach that. Jeez, you’ve had a bloody mare there lad…

[Granny WeatherWax]

I'd be amazed if there was anything in that, Vitinho will be starting most weeks and could be back in the Premier league next season.
Who knows, but I very much doubt it

Falmengo are an absolutely massive club, and the Maracanã might be more tempting than the turf.

[PWBFC]

Hope there's nothing in the Vitinho link. He was superb at Luton and has improved substantially.

Unless he's homesick, you'd have thought he'd prefer to stay where he is.

[Quickenthetempo]

Of course you can coach that. Jeez, you’ve had a bloody mare there lad…

I wonder why so many players miss penalties then, after all the coaching they get?

Why managers claim they can't replocate the same pressures of a penalty shoot out in training?

[ArmchairDetective]

Could do with resisting this if at all possible. Very raw when he came in, but we have seen his development over the course of the last 2 seasons and his versatility gives us plenty of options both defensively and going forwards.

We only bought him for about a million and we think he's ******* brilliant so can probably afford to gamble on keeping him unless silly money is thrown at him, or his desire to return to Brazil is so strong he would be willing to forego another crack at the championship and potentially Premier League.

Fixed it for you ClaretFelix

Agree with your entire post. He's become a favourite of mine and is slowly improving. I don't like forcing players to stay if they want out but I can't see it unless he's homesick. He doesn't come across that way though.

[bumba]

I could see it happening, Flamengo are massive club in Brazil.
He won't be a first choice starter here Roberts will start at right back and Pires left back.
In most games I don't think we'd use him on the wings either last week was to nullify Doughty.
His versatility is a massive plus for us but if he wants first team football I could see him going

[123EasyasBFC]

The article about Vitinho also says inter Milan are interested to. We are going to have to accept for the next 2 weeks that there are going to be so many rumours about our players leaving and just hope that most of it is rubbish

[RVclaret]

The article about Vitinho also says inter Milan are interested to. We are going to have to accept for the next 2 weeks that there are going to be so many rumours about our players leaving and just hope that most of it is rubbish

Think it means Internacional, team in Brazil known as Inter.

[123EasyasBFC]

Think it means Internacional, team in Brazil known as Inter.

That makes more sense

[Stonehouse]

Had a discussion the other day about our so called glut of wingers if Vitinhio goes we lose a player that can play in several positions and would be down to only 3 first teamers with any pace to play wide.

[123EasyasBFC]

If we sold Vitinho we would need at least another left back and winger

[FeedTheArf]

Hope there's nothing in the Vitinho link. He was superb at Luton and has improved substantially.

Unless he's homesick, you'd have thought he'd prefer to stay where he is.

Doubt it’s homesickness. He hasn’t played in Brazil for 6 years.

Would be really disappointed to lose him, his versatility will come in handy this season.

[PremierLeagueClass]

Really hope we can keep Vitinho, he’s a big asset to us.

[Murger]

I’m not Vitinhos biggest fan, but we need to resist the urge of selling those in and around the first team.

[Commy]

They are reportedly in talks with Southampton for Alcaraz as well. Splashing the cash if they want both.

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/24521 ... y-alcaraz/

[kentonclaret]

Should Vitinho be sold that will be 2 players who started the game against Luton playing 90 minutes that have been transferred.
Just because players run out on to the pitch this afternoon has now bearing whatsoever that they will still be at the club come next Friday.

[jrgbfc]

Wouldn't want to lose Vitinho. Very versatile, doesn't seem to get injured and one of our only players last season who showed some bottle and didn't let his head drop.

[burnley007]

Wouldn't want to lose Vitinho. Very versatile, doesn't seem to get injured and one of our only players last season who showed some bottle and didn't let his head drop.

If there is any truth in the story, I'm sure there is a very good reason for this.

[clarets1978]

Any ideas as to how much we earned excluding transfers in the last 2 seasons?
It seems to get ignored.

Im not sure how you'd get a figure like that and I dont know why we'd need to know that. All clubs rely on transfer income as part of their accounts. Brightons massive profit is solely down to that