FA issue statement to say some Burnley fans behaviour unacceptable on Saturday

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Tue May 01, 2018 6:28 pm

Excellent from Tony, absolutely spot on with everything he said.

Nice to have some balance to the conversation.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Tue May 01, 2018 6:38 pm

Stayingup wrote: h

So he obviously knows what a monkey chant is. Do the fans posting on here know what one is?

M he's a man
O he's ordinary
N he's notorious
K he's from Kazakhstan
E he's elegant
Y he's so yesterday

???????

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Tue May 01, 2018 6:39 pm

Basically as I see it if you boo a player because he accused a Burnley Born former player of rascist abuse it is not a rascist act, the FA are right in saying it is not acceptable. The other Brighton black player never got booed once. Never once did I hear any thing other than boos and the odd your breath stinks aimed at Bong.
On another note by people dragging up the notion of homophobic chanting it is by its very nature saying that having a town full of benders is worse than saying you have a town full of straight people, If people didn’t keep making an issue of it when sung the songs would quickly become a thing of the past.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Tue May 01, 2018 6:46 pm

1968claret wrote:Not sure he has been dragged through the dirt. He has been quoted quite fairly.
I also think that Tony has articulated Burnley fans thoughts very well. Comes across as reasoned but at the same time, challenging the BHA position.

Yes, but it says he’s 66...!!!

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue May 01, 2018 6:50 pm

you pay your money, you boo whoever you choose to.
Quite honestly, this is PC gone nuts. i have absolutely nothing against Bong personally, but he seems to enjoy playing the "race card" as they say.
Oy, Gaetan, we're booing you cos you're sh!te!!!

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Tue May 01, 2018 6:52 pm

1968claret wrote:Not sure he has been dragged through the dirt. He has been quoted quite fairly.

No he hasn't.
The comments about him are a total misrepresentation of what he is quoted as saying , and frankly most of those posting comments on the Argus article are a total disgrace.
Wouldn't you say that describing Tony as a "Grade A racist" is libellous?

BFCmaj · Post by **BFCmaj** » Tue May 01, 2018 6:54 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I don't like to go on games (not for this reason) but i don't think i've been on a single Burnley game where i've not been disgusted by someone shouting racist abuse.

And have you at any time reported any of this racist abuse?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue May 01, 2018 6:56 pm

BFCmaj wrote:And have you at any time reported any of this racist abuse?

Nope.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue May 01, 2018 6:57 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Nope.

You’re part of the problem then.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue May 01, 2018 6:59 pm

martin_p wrote:You’re part of the problem then.

Perhaps. But it could be worse. I could be someone denying there's a problem at all.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Tue May 01, 2018 7:00 pm

Hmm... me thinks we need some spies to go to BHA with some video cameras at the weekend and "out" some of what goes down in their stands.

They'll be whiter than white, for sure! (am I allowed to say that?)

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue May 01, 2018 7:04 pm

starting_11 wrote:Hmm... me thinks we need some spies to go to BHA with some video cameras at the weekend and "out" some of what goes down in their stands.

They'll be whiter than white, for sure! (am I allowed to say that?)

I remember when someone did that to one of our strikers social media postings and all the idiots on the board were livid - absolutely livid - that someone would look through his social media postings.

1968claret · Post by **1968claret** » Tue May 01, 2018 7:06 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:No he hasn't.
The comments about him are a total misrepresentation of what he is quoted as saying , and frankly most of those posting comments on the Argus article are a total disgrace.
Wouldn't you say that describing Tony as a "Grade A racist" is libellous?

Hadn’t seen th comments to be honest. Is it the article that you think is misrepresenting him or the comments. Like I say, I think the quotes attributed to Tony come across really well, challenging BHA behaviour and giving a balanced and considered opinion.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Tue May 01, 2018 7:08 pm

Get cracking then!

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Tue May 01, 2018 7:09 pm

Report them to the press complaints people if you feel their "journalism" breaks the rules.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Tue May 01, 2018 7:13 pm

The Argus have recent form.

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The newspaper maintained that there was no intention to make prejudicial reference to the complainant on the basis of his disability.

PWBFC · Post by **PWBFC** » Tue May 01, 2018 7:16 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I don't like to go on games (not for this reason) but i don't think i've been on a single Burnley game where i've not been disgusted by someone shouting racist abuse.

Let’s be serious; that isn’t true and a wild exaggeration doesn’t help anybody.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Tue May 01, 2018 7:20 pm

1968claret wrote:Hadn’t seen th comments to be honest. Is it the article that you think is misrepresenting him or the comments. Like I say, I think the quotes attributed to Tony come across really well, challenging BHA behaviour and giving a balanced and considered opinion.

Tony's article for the paper is spot on, but he has been dragged into it because the paper has set him up to be open to abuse in their "comments" section.
I'm sure Tony did the interview in good faith, and the interviewer would surely recognise his sincerity and integrity, but they are allowing comment after comment to abuse him. I would imagine he wishes that he had declined the interview.
Imagine if an "official" representative of BHA had come onto our forum to give a considered opinion, and we were to call him a "grade A racist", or similar. There would be outrage amongst BHA supporters, but, (and this is important), those libelous comments would quickly be deleted by our mods.

1968claret · Post by **1968claret** » Tue May 01, 2018 7:24 pm

Yes but this is a newspaper, they like the message boards, keeps people clicking on their site. That is modern journalism! You only need to read the daily mail comments pages any given day! I’m sure Tony will take it in his stride.

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Tue May 01, 2018 7:28 pm

Once you play that media game, you leave yourself open. If you call BHA "a disgrace" and say they have a "complete and utter lack of class", that's the response you'll get; is anybody surprised? Just another person to add to the list of people in this whole affair who should have just left it.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Tue May 01, 2018 7:28 pm

1968claret wrote:Yes but this is a newspaper, they like the message boards, keeps people clicking on their site. That is modern journalism! You only need to read the daily mail comments pages any given day! I’m sure Tony will take it in his stride.

Agreed, but most message boards are moderated. You can't just post offensive, potentially libelous, rubbish on them.
The Argus are not helping the situation. (That's my point really).

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Tue May 01, 2018 7:31 pm

thatdberight wrote:Once you play that media game, you leave yourself open. If you call BHA "a disgrace" and say they have a "complete and utter lack of class", that's the response you'll get; is anybody surprised? Just another person to add to the list of people in this whole affair who should have just left it.

If that post is directed at me, I think I've just answered it in the previous post. The Argus should be exercising more responsibility in reporting this, and not allowing supporters of either club to inflame the situation on their message board.

1968claret · Post by **1968claret** » Tue May 01, 2018 7:31 pm

Agreed, but to be honest, most papers don’t tend to moderate from what I have seen.
Just hope it starts to die down soon, not doing anyone any favours at all.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Tue May 01, 2018 7:38 pm

And the monkey chants are supposed to have come from the Bob Lord stand, really, I can’t believe that. Someone would have reported that straight away.

On the booing, I will boo who I want. It’s not illegal, it’s not racist, it’s not homophobic.

It’s showing a dislike for some ones behaviour, be that a tackle, a dive or being an idiot.

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Tue May 01, 2018 7:49 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:If that post is directed at me, I think I've just answered it in the previous post. The Argus should be exercising more responsibility in reporting this, and not allowing supporters of either club to inflame the situation on their message board.

Well, if they'd taken that stance, they'd not have done the interview in the first place. They're just some local rag so, while the "should have left it" applies to them too in terms of everyone moving on, it's not in their commercial interest to behave so responsibly.

Carport · Post by **Carport** » Tue May 01, 2018 8:10 pm

Analysis of TV coverage of the match would reveal whether there were any chants of the racist nature that Brighton fans are alleging. In the absence of such evidence the FA should judge their allegations to be without foundation and/or malicious.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Tue May 01, 2018 8:33 pm

Carport wrote:Analysis of TV coverage of the match would reveal whether there were any chants of the racist nature that Brighton fans are alleging. In the absence of such evidence the FA should judge their allegations to be without foundation and/or malicious.

What you suggest will never happen Carport even if all of Brighton’s allegations are totally unfounded, The FAs stance is already clear in part of the FA statement which I’ve copied below.

"The FA takes all allegations of discrimination extremely seriously and continues to encourage all participants who believe that they have been the subject of or witness to discriminatory abuse to report this through the appropriate channels."

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue May 01, 2018 8:57 pm

Sky sports news and the bbc are proper hammering this.

Not unexpected, they love a good "northern racist" story.

Claret82 · Post by **Claret82** » Tue May 01, 2018 9:09 pm

What could the FA do?

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue May 01, 2018 9:20 pm

About his arrest?

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Tue May 01, 2018 9:20 pm

I think we should simply surrender to the inevitable and forfeit our Europa League Place.

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Tue May 01, 2018 9:31 pm

If he's asking for punishment, we should let him have it.

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Tue May 01, 2018 9:38 pm

During this interview on SSN, Murray said that Bong was booed every time he got the ball for the full 90 minutes. This is yet another example of someone lying to aid their agenda. Disgusting behaviour from someone who is hardly an angel himself...

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Tue May 01, 2018 9:41 pm

paulus the woodgnome wrote:If he's asking for punishment, we should let him have it.

I didn't realise he went to that posh a school !!

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Tue May 01, 2018 9:42 pm

Bong was booed every time he got the ball for 90 minutes.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue May 01, 2018 9:42 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:During this interview on SSN, Murray said that Bong was booed every time he got the ball for the full 90 minutes. This is yet another example of someone lying to aid their agenda. Disgusting behaviour from someone who is hardly an angel himself...

He did get booed everytime he touched the ball throughout the game didn't he? seemed like that anyway

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Tue May 01, 2018 9:42 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:During this interview on SSN, Murray said that Bong was booed every time he got the ball for the full 90 minutes. This is yet another example of someone lying to aid their agenda. Disgusting behaviour from someone who is hardly an angel himself...

It wasn't far off. The last 10-15 minutes it wasn't nearly as prevalent as, bored to death by two dreadful football teams, we'd mostly fallen asleep by then.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Tue May 01, 2018 9:43 pm

Can someone tell me what's wrong with booing a player???

Very difficult to PROVE there is an underlying reason

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue May 01, 2018 9:46 pm

thatdberight wrote:It wasn't far off. The last 10-15 minutes it wasn't nearly as prevalent as, bored to death by two dreadful football teams, we'd mostly fallen asleep by then.

It was probably 95% of the time. But the question is ‘so what’!

Belial · Post by **Belial** » Tue May 01, 2018 9:48 pm

I'm sure Tarks can help him out

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue May 01, 2018 9:48 pm

Yes he did get booed every time

But this is getting beyond ridiculous now. The media coverage is so one sided. As a club we need to make a statement and defend / explain our position.

Yes Brighton are sticking up for their player but the racism undertone is damaging for us. Would Brighton fans, players, management be doing all this if would have spent the whole game booing Duffy for being an ex bas-tard ?

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Tue May 01, 2018 9:52 pm

KRBFC wrote:He did get booed everytime he touched the ball throughout the game didn't he? seemed like that anyway

Certainly in the first half hour or so....then everyone seemed to get bored of it. Then again for probably the first ten minutes in the second half. But not all the game.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue May 01, 2018 9:54 pm

TVC15 wrote: But this is getting beyond ridiculous now. The media coverage is so one sided. As a club we need to make a statement and defend / explain our position.

Like Tony did you mean? Look at the reaction to that! Minds have been made up, the club shouldn’t pour more fuel on the fire. Let the investigation take its course, nothing will be found because it didn’t happen.

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Tue May 01, 2018 10:01 pm

Aside from attending the game on Saturday I haven't been following the specifics on this but from what I can tell booing somebody isn't a punishable offence, I mean we boo ex-Rovers players all the time. Fair enough if it's conclusively proven there was racist abuse, maybe Murray has a point, but you can't punish a club for just booing an opponent can you?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue May 01, 2018 10:02 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I think it's ridiculous and delusional to think that there aren't racist shouts or chants at every Burnley game.

Well I have not heard any.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue May 01, 2018 10:03 pm

martin_p wrote:Like Tony did you mean? Look at the reaction to that! Minds have been made up, the club shouldn’t pour more fuel on the fire. Let the investigation take its course, nothing will be found because it didn’t happen.

No not like Tony- as I said the club should.
It’s not just about the investigation either - we are getting criticised for a lot more than that.
Unless you think we have done much wrong then not sure why you think defending the club and our fans constitutes pouring more fuel on the fire.
We can comment on the investigation by saying that we will co-operate and if any evidence is found we will ban anyone found guilty of racist chants.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue May 01, 2018 10:04 pm

martin_p wrote:Like Tony did you mean? Look at the reaction to that! Minds have been made up, the club shouldn’t pour more fuel on the fire. Let the investigation take its course, nothing will be found because it didn’t happen.

It's a pretty ridiculous accusation though, Brighton fans are making out like every Burnley supporter in the ground was making monkey noises when Bong touched the ball which certainly wasn't the case, in fact I didn't hear a single monkey chant at all. I think our name has being dragged through the mud with all of this, the rest of the footballing world will not understand the situation fully like we do. I certainly hope for our sake that the club speaks up on this soon and clears the situation up to give a more balanced perspective of the actual situation and not the horses**t fabricated story being used against us in the press.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue May 01, 2018 10:06 pm

TVC15 wrote:No not like Tony- as I said the club should.
It’s not just about the investigation either - we are getting criticised for a lot more than that.
Unless you think we have done much wrong then not sure why you think defending the club and our fans constitutes pouring more fuel on the fire.
We can comment on the investigation by saying that we will co-operate and if any evidence is found we will ban anyone found guilty of racist chants.

No one is accusing the club of doing anything wrong. As such all they have to do is react if it’s found one or more supporter has done something.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue May 01, 2018 10:07 pm

They have nothing better to do the create a loud hiss out of a very loud BOOOOO!

Garnerssoap · Post by **Garnerssoap** » Tue May 01, 2018 10:08 pm

Craig Hignett getting sent off for Coventry(I think) whilst on loan for bastards was genuinely the highlight of one season. I’ll freely admit I did slightly more than boo